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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    The edt seems to be a tad weaker compared to nthe initial release. I prefer the parfum.
    Is the juice worth the squeeze?

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    I noticed a distinct difference between my initial sample of TdH Parfum and the bottle I purchased. I attributed it to either the sample getting oxidized and altering the smell, or a difference between the dap vs spray application method. I double checked, and my bottle starts with a 1- so I assume it's 2011.

    The sample smelled better without a doubt, the initial blast was deep orange peel and the drydown blossomed into something containing what I perceived to be a floral wood note. My bottle starts with a brighter grapefruit smell which persists throughout the entire scent, and does not contain the floral wood drydown. It is much more linear, and although it's still very nice, it lacks the original magic of the decant I fell in love with.

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    It may not just be reformulation, but could also be down to aged juice. I have had bottle of TdH (both EdT and Parfum) for 12-18 month periods. Some of these have become very strong, cloying and the 'grapefruit' note really does seem to be more 'orange peel'. I remember they were all more grapefruit-like in the opening, settling down to an aromatic-woody base. Could it be that more bottles are sitting longer on shelves and in stock rooms before being sold?

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    I learned recently TDH EDT is one of the fake frags that gets sold on ebay. There's a thread around here somewhere talking about it and pictures to help sort it out. I had one sold one to me too before I realized it's a popular faked frag on ebay. I got the full refund and he let me keep the fake.....and I won't wear it at all.

    I do have to say it smells kinda close to the real thing but it doesn't project as well nor does it have the flinty note. It just smells citrus and woods but flat, hollow and lacking for the whole 3 hours it lasts.
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    how do you know if its a fake link to the thread ?

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    I wonder if there is a Terre d'Hermes expert or two that other people could send samples to test. I'm not yet convinced that TdH has been reformulated, but it sounds plausible. It would be nice to figure out what dates of production are safe and which are potentially reformulated.

    Also, has anyone deciphered the production codes on Hermes bottles yet?

    I'm curious if the parfum has been reformulated, since it was released later.

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    Yeah people let's see if this is indeed reformulated. I, for one, just started to get really warmed up to this juice, now just need to find me a monster bottle.

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    I was thinking of picking one up.....but, thanks to BN, i guess i would really have to try it first

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    My code is 2EAAL, I figure it's a 2012 release, can't smell this stuff after a few hours, but apparently it can fill a room good (got a compliment as soon as someone entered the room like 7.5 hours after initial application, by then I couldn't even smell it when I put my nose against my arm). Good enough for me, if it can deliver 8 hours of "noticing" by others, so that it covers a work day stuff does its job, especially considering this is an orangy scent and usually these don't last at all on my dry skin
    Makes me wonder though, if this really was even more potent in the past before said reformulations. I can definitely see what the hype is about.

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    I have never understand some call this a "sillage monster". It smells very nice, but it`s one of the weakest scent i`ve tried, and the edp version is even worth..

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    It was never a siilage monster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDJA View Post
    Personally I hate this madness about "which year is safe buy", and I have seen before how ridiculous prices could go up on eBay given discussions here about Dior Homme and Dior homme intense.
    At the same time, being a fan of terre ( good stuff for daily office wearing) I have to ask - when this iFRA restrictions on Iso E super were implemented?
    Actually, what is the latest safe year?
    You should check out the guitar message boards. The same stuff is happening with the guitar industry. For example, electric guitars with Brazilian Rosewood fingerboards usually sell for a couple of thousand dollars more than the ones with Rosewood from other countries.

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    if this is true then Montale's Red vetiver is a good replacement!

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    This may explain why this fragrance does absolutely nothing for me.I bought a 30ml travel bottle with a 100ml refill from Duty free at Dubai airport.Completey undetectable on me after a couple of hours.A good reminder for me to stick it on ebay!

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    Now hold on a second (two months in the future)

    My batch code for my TdH edt is 1ABAN--a 2011 batch I think--and the ingredients list both oak and tree moss.
    What's going on here?

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    Damn...and Hermes seemed to be immune to the reformulation plague.

    Must get a backup of Declaration, just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    Damn...and Hermes seemed to be immune to the reformulation plague.

    Must get a backup of Declaration, just in case.
    +1 absolutely. Will also get a backup...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    Damn...and Hermes seemed to be immune to the reformulation plague.

    Must get a backup of Declaration, just in case.
    Why drag Declaration into this problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oslo-Fjord View Post
    Why drag Declaration into this problem?
    Same perfumer, many of the same ingredients, similar smell, so probably also targeted for reformulation. And since it's regarded as a modern classic, that pretty much guarantees reformulation.
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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    OK... sotd is TdH parfum, so I came upon this thread, read it, pondered it, resisted the urge to go look at my 'codes' on the parfum bottle and edt as well, but just couldn't help myself. Happy relief; 2009/2008, respectively.

    HOWEVER, WHAT IS WITH ALL THIS PERSISTENT HAND-WRINGING W/R/T ISO E SUPER & TDH?

    All y'all should settle down and: 1) go read the Perfume Shrine article linked in post #8; 2) go to the IFRA Standard - 43rd Amendment doc directed at the Iso E Super restriction [ http://www.ifraorg.org/en-us/standards_restricted/s3/p7 the document is titled "OTNE (1-(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 Octahydro-2,3,8,8-tetramethyl-2-naphthalenyl)ethanone) Tags: Amberonne, Boisvelone, Iso E super, Isocyclemone E"].

    As lifted from the PS article...

    Here is a table of Top Ten Fragrances with Regard to Their Content in Iso E Super
    No., Fragrance Name (Company, launch year), Iso E Super
    [NB. the percentage is in regards to compound, not diluted ready to use product]

    1 Molecule 01 (escentric molecules, 2005) 100%
    2 Perles de Lalique (Lalique, 2007) 80%
    3 Poivre Samarcande (Herme`s, 2004) 71%
    4 Escentric 01 (escentric molecules, 2005) 65%
    5 Terre d'Hermes (Hermes, 2006) 55%
    6 Incense Kyoto (comme des garcons, 2002) 55%
    7 Incense Jaisalmer (comme des garcons, 2002) 51%
    8 Fierce for Men (Abercrombie & Fitch, 2002) 48%
    9 Kenzo Air (Kenzo, 2003) 48%
    10 Encre noire (Lalique, 2006) 45%

    Ref for table: Schon G. 2008. 'Escentric' molecules. Chemistry & Biodiversity. 5 (6) :1154-8. In June 2008. Verlag Helvetica Chimica Acta AG,Zurich


    Although it may not have been clearly written in the PS article (and certainly confused further in the Fragrantica piece, linked to in post #8 as well) as noted directly from the standard itself, 'Limits in the finished product" for category 4 is 21.4%. Think about it folks. It is the finished product that is allergen/bio/eco/neuro concerning. Afterall, it is the universe of finished products from which IFRA perfoms its random tests in its compliance cycles. Limiting the % limit on the concentrate/unfinished compound makes no sense as dilution makes all the difference.

    Now I no longer have my box for TdH edt, but the box for the parfum indicates 79% alc content. Assuming, conservatively, that the edt has the same 21% concentration as the parfum... that would mean a IES concentration in the finished product of only about 11.5% (.55x.21). Far, far below the 21.4%.

    What are you guys thinking? Chill out.

    Sure, TdH may have been reformed. And TdH may have even been reformed in response to an IFRA standard concerning a different restriced or prohibited ingredient that only Hermes or JCE know about. But, TdH was not reformed due to IFRA's IES restriction.

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    All I know is that the current EDT is far weaker than the original version that my wife and I fell in love with. The current TDH Parfum is closer to the original EDT. I wish I had a big fat bottle of the original EDT, because it is my favorite version of all. I HATE these reformulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuNezDeBuzier View Post
    Now I no longer have my box for TdH edt, but the box for the parfum indicates 79% alc content. Assuming, conservatively, that the edt has the same 21% concentration as the parfum... that would mean a IES concentration in the finished product of only about 11.5% (.55x.21). Far, far below the 21.4%.

    What are you guys thinking? Chill out.
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    I totally agree! Something has changed. I've been wearing TDH edt since 2006 and was amazed by the sillage and longevity. Now, it is not the same. I've returned bottles to Nordstrom, Sephora, and Fragrancenet because something was wrong with the juice. I still love the frag but I'm tired of returning bad juice. I recently smelled a TDH edp tester in Sephora and it smelled like the old edt (great sillage and longevity). Purchased a bottle of the edp, thinking it would be like the juice of old and had to return because it was so watered down. I just don't know what to do about my favorite frag.

    Quote Originally Posted by EDJA View Post
    Guys, hi!
    Sorry for another Terre thread, but i just have discovered the strange thing about Terre.
    Recenly i've bought on eBay 100 ml bottle of Hermes Terre (EDT) produced in 2007 (based on batch code on the bottom of the box) and realised the real difference between this botle and new one which i had (produced in 2011).
    The old one has monster sillage and longevity, i can still feel it after 16 hours on my skin, but the new one - significantly watered down and lost its strength after 4 hours.
    Does anybody else feel this difference? my suggestion is that they have changed the formula in EDT before introduction of PARFUM version.
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    So true! You are spot on!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckW View Post
    All I know is that the current EDT is far weaker than the original version that my wife and I fell in love with. The current TDH Parfum is closer to the original EDT. I wish I had a big fat bottle of the original EDT, because it is my favorite version of all. I HATE these reformulations.

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    I just got lucky with an EDT I bought at Sephora. I also just sold my EDP. It did not last or project on me. The EDT is the best one I've had since the first batch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckW View Post
    I just got lucky with an EDT I bought at Sephora. I also just sold my EDP. It did not last or project on me. The EDT is the best one I've had since the first batch.
    I still wear the EDT and my current one still has pretty good strength. But I'd like to find some backups. Is finding one that is like original that hit or miss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToughCool View Post
    I still wear the EDT and my current one still has pretty good strength. But I'd like to find some backups. Is finding one that is like original that hit or miss?
    Yep, has been for me at least. It's still not quite as good but it's the closest I've found.
    Currently wearing: Green Irish Tweed by Creed

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckW View Post
    I just got lucky with an EDT I bought at Sephora. I also just sold my EDP. It did not last or project on me. The EDT is the best one I've had since the first batch.
    Same thing. I never had any luck with the Pure Parfum that I bought from Bloomingdales, it disappeared in less than 3 hours and never projected. I had to sell it and go back to the EDT.

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    Default Re: Terre d'hermes - reformulated?

    Hope not! That's too good of a frag to have reformulated. And you know it's very rare that reformulated is better.

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    I have also noticed this.

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    Just got 2012 batch and compared to my vintage. New reformulation is far weaker. Sillage is gone after 2~ hours but does stay close to skin until about 6 hours. Old one will easily project after 9~12 hours. Disappointing. Got my new one from Fragrancenet.

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