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    I came across these two interesting articles about how scent substantially affects attraction (primarily for females). The article even states that scent (for women) may be the most significant aspect of attraction. The individual who did the article seems credible

    Dr. Rachel Herz is a leading expert in olfactory psychology and psychobiology, and has been conducting research on the sense of smell for 19 years. A professor at Brown University, she is also the author of The Scent of Desire: Discovering Our Enigmatic Sense of Smell.
    Some quotes from the article:

    " In several tests with hundreds of college students, girls consistently ranked “how a guy smells” as the most important feature for determining whether or not she’d be sexually attracted to him. That’s right, when it comes to initial attraction, how you smell is more important than your looks, abs, height, weight or even your income. Guys, in contrast, consistently place the highest level of importance on a girl’s physical appearance.”
    " New research also shows that you actually look better to girls when you smell great. In a recent study, scientists at Oxford University asked women to rate the attractiveness of men based on their headshots. While they were reviewing and rating each guy’s photo, female participants were simultaneously exposed to pleasant or unpleasant scents. The results showed that women rated male faces as being significantly less attractive in the presence of the unpleasant odors. On the other hand, they rated guys as being most attractive when they judged their looks in the presence of a pleasurable fragrance "
    I thought I'd create a thread for my fellow basenoters to read and digest these articles and exchange opinions on them.

    After reading please give your opinion on the articles in here.


    Full Articles Here:

    http://www.askmen.com/scent/scent_30...ttraction.html

    Bonus Article ( Just as good of a read ! )

    http://www.askmen.com/scent/qa/1_sce...cts-women.html

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    1. Askmen is a website where insecure betamales try to validate their masculinity, and the writers are more than happy to accomodate it.

    2. What smells good or bad is ultimately subjective. Almost all fragrances are hit-and-miss.

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    Define "good smell', "bad smell".

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    hmmm not really sure about this seems kinda odd. Most girls I know judge a guy more by looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    1. Askmen is a website where insecure betamales try to validate their masculinity, and the writers are more than happy to accomodate it.
    This, exactly. Plus, it seems that 95% of the advice on the site revolves around being impressive to "the ladies." As long as you don't smell BAD, I doubt fragrance is rarely the most important thing about your presentation. You'll notice that this experiment they quote only showed negative results with odors that are actually unpleasant.

    And even if scent matters first off the bat, there's a billion things you can do to either validate or destroy that initial impression, and those typically have to do with things you can't buy on FragranceNet.

    I've always been under the impression that a sense of humor is the most important thing to girls. Well, that, and not treating them like trophies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSG View Post
    hmmm not really sure about this seems kinda odd. Most girls I know judge a guy more by looks.
    Girls yes. Women no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    Define "good smell', "bad smell".
    This is up to the smellee not the smeller :-)

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    I find the article to be focusing more on marketing of fragrances. In reality, the women do choose their partners based on how they smell, not the fragrance that the guy is wearing. A woman can find a guy repulsive if his scent is incompatible to her. No amount of fragrance can change how a person smells, a fragrance merely adds to the existing scent.

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    Chemistry in a relationship very much depends on the scent. Same goes for guys as well, we just generally don't pay attention to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roman_nik View Post
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    I find the article to be focusing more on marketing of fragrances. In reality, the women do choose their partners based on how they smell, not the fragrance that the guy is wearing. A woman can find a guy repulsive if his scent is incompatible to her. No amount of fragrance can change how a person smells, a fragrance merely adds to the existing scent.

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    Chemistry in a relationship very much depends on the scent. Same goes for guys as well, we just generally don't pay attention to this.
    Not really theres a lot more to a relationship than what fragrance you wear/how you smell, if you walk into a bar the first thing you use is sight to spot a woman/man who you would be interested in talking to. Someone will not smell you across the room and if they do you've done something seriously wrong. You can wear whatever fragrance you want but if your personality is poor or you have no confidence then your not getting anything end of. If you go and approach women i'm sure you'll soon find out that it's the personality and appearance that matter most. You can change your frags but not your face or personality. As for your personal smell that's what deodorant is for lol if its that overbearing there's something wrong.

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    While there might be a certain truth to it, the probability is significantly lower, more limited than the commonly known opinion.

    Even more- and I'm not saying this as criticism, far more as praise, a celebration of individuality - the niche ranges so
    well-known and enjoyed here on BN narrow the options and the probabilities (strictly in terms of attraction) possibly even more, yet making up for it in creativity, individuality, self-discovery, underground appeal, even more uncommon and less explicable forms of attraction and compatibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    1. Askmen is a website where insecure betamales try to validate their masculinity, and the writers are more than happy to accomodate it.

    2. What smells good or bad is ultimately subjective. Almost all fragrances are hit-and-miss.

    Classic misunderstanding of the concept of Beta and Alpha male in the context of human behaviour.

    In any event, since when is Askmen a reputable scientific resource?
    Last edited by Hilaire; 6th September 2012 at 04:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilaire View Post
    Classic misunderstanding of the concept of Beta and Alpha male in the context of human behaviour.

    In any event, since when is Askmen a reputable scientific resource?
    I don't believe in the whole evolutionary concept of alpha and beta males, especially in this day and age, but since their articles invoke those concepts (whether in a subtle way or it's obnoxiously obvious), I might as well say that Askmen is a betamale site, as the guys who are getting dates are going out and doing things - not reading on a blog how to be more of a man.

    And, Askmen isn't even a reputable non-scientific source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diva D View Post
    This, exactly. Plus, it seems that 95% of the advice on the site revolves around being impressive to "the ladies." As long as you don't smell BAD, I doubt fragrance is rarely the most important thing about your presentation. You'll notice that this experiment they quote only showed negative results with odors that are actually unpleasant.

    And even if scent matters first off the bat, there's a billion things you can do to either validate or destroy that initial impression, and those typically have to do with things you can't buy on FragranceNet.

    I've always been under the impression that a sense of humor is the most important thing to girls. Well, that, and not treating them like trophies.
    Exactly. A fragrance you wear (unless it's a 5% chance that she really really likes it), is no different from wearing a nice watch or wearing a nice tie. It'll get a compliment, but it's not what's going to get her attraction or keep it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilaire View Post
    In any event, since when is Askmen a reputable scientific resource?
    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post

    And, Askmen isn't even a reputable non-scientific source.



    but the woman who did the article and lent her research and expertise to askmen isn't just some regular askmen editor.

    Dr. Rachel Herz is a leading expert in olfactory psychology and psychobiology, and has been conducting research on the sense of smell for 19 years. A professor at Brown University, she is also the author of The Scent of Desire: Discovering Our Enigmatic Sense of Smell.
    and she's even shared this research in her book which she wrote before the article ...



    It's not like she's some regular ol joe sharing their untested theory on the internet. She's been doing this for 20 years , professor at brown, an author , this is what she does, it's her professional career

    I'm not saying I necessarily fully agree or disagree yet

    but It sounds like alot of people in here already have such a invested bias against this perspective that they are just so quick to write off the research of a professional who's done more than just theorize and assume.

    Me, personally, I'm not taking a side fully, but her research makes me go " you know what ?, this might be true " I think that's the sensible and open minded approach in recognition to an opinion that has been crafted with much more research, knowledge, and expertise than my own.

    but I think most of you all already know this because instead of attacking the credibility of the guest writer who's the professional, you guys are attacking everything else about the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    I don't believe in the whole evolutionary concept of alpha and beta males, especially in this day and age, but since their articles invoke those concepts (whether in a subtle way or it's obnoxiously obvious), I might as well say that Askmen is a betamale site, as the guys who are getting dates are going out and doing things - not reading on a blog how to be more of a man.
    Actually, Askmen is just a vehicle for advertising. There is no agenda or even intention of being an alpha-male or beta-male site. Their one and only goal is to serve as a vehicle for advertising. Hits. Clicks. That's their game. They're concerned with search engine rank, not psychographics. If you take the time to browse their site, you'll see that it's a mishmash of absolutely anything male related that will generate clicks without harming their identity (in other words, no porn). Assigning more of an agenda than that is misunderstanding their business entirely.

    Perhaps the reason you don't believe in the evolutionary concept of alpha and beta males is because you don't have enough life experience yet. Or maybe you've never payed attention to how human social structures operate. Humans like to separate ourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom as if we're not animals, but here we are, discussing using scent to attract mates. Ain't evolution grand?

    In terms of attracting women, most men make the mistake of thinking about their own goals rather than thinking about what women want. Once you realize the difference, it's easy to be attractive to women even if you're not the most traditionally attractive man. Hell, I'm not gorgeous, nor am I particularly tall. I used to be rich, but that was a long time ago. When I was rich, I realized how easy it is to use money to be attractive, but that's a losing strategy because it totally neglects what women really find attractive.

    Want to know what women find attractive? A MAN THEY LIKE.
    Want to know how to be attractive to women? BE LIKABLE.

    Sounds like a flippant answer, right? Oh, but it's not. Sure, a man build like an Abercrombie model will be able to get more one night stands, but if attraction means more to you than the ability to bed women, all you have to do is make the most of what else you bring to the table in terms of attractiveness.

    What do women want? They want good looks, good company, respect, a little space, a little cuddling, and great sex. Also, major points if you're adept in the kitchen. If you're lacking in one area in that list, make up for it by excelling in another.

    Scent plays a role in attraction. If you're smelly, learn better personal hygiene. No fragrance is required - BUT - if you're going to use a fragrance, find one that fits your personality that women are likely to enjoy (or at least not dislike) and stick to it. I say "stick to it" because having a consistent signature scent can help, much like having a consistent haircut. It helps because it gives a woman one more thing to remember you by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    Actually, Askmen is just a vehicle for advertising. There is no agenda or even intention of being an alpha-male or beta-male site. Their one and only goal is to serve as a vehicle for advertising. Hits. Clicks. That's their game. They're concerned with search engine rank, not psychographics. If you take the time to browse their site, you'll see that it's a mishmash of absolutely anything male related that will generate clicks without harming their identity (in other words, no porn). Assigning more of an agenda than that is misunderstanding their business entirely.

    Perhaps the reason you don't believe in the evolutionary concept of alpha and beta males is because you don't have enough life experience yet. Or maybe you've never payed attention to how human social structures operate. Humans like to separate ourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom as if we're not animals, but here we are, discussing using scent to attract mates. Ain't evolution grand?

    In terms of attracting women, most men make the mistake of thinking about their own goals rather than thinking about what women want. Once you realize the difference, it's easy to be attractive to women even if you're not the most traditionally attractive man. Hell, I'm not gorgeous, nor am I particularly tall. I used to be rich, but that was a long time ago. When I was rich, I realized how easy it is to use money to be attractive, but that's a losing strategy because it totally neglects what women really find attractive.

    Want to know what women find attractive? A MAN THEY LIKE.
    Want to know how to be attractive to women? BE LIKABLE.

    Sounds like a flippant answer, right? Oh, but it's not. Sure, a man build like an Abercrombie model will be able to get more one night stands, but if attraction means more to you than the ability to bed women, all you have to do is make the most of what else you bring to the table in terms of attractiveness.

    What do women want? They want good looks, good company, respect, a little space, a little cuddling, and great sex. Also, major points if you're adept in the kitchen. If you're lacking in one area in that list, make up for it by excelling in another.

    Scent plays a role in attraction. If you're smelly, learn better personal hygiene. No fragrance is required - BUT - if you're going to use a fragrance, find one that fits your personality that women are likely to enjoy (or at least not dislike) and stick to it. I say "stick to it" because having a consistent signature scent can help, much like having a consistent haircut. It helps because it gives a woman one more thing to remember you by.
    L'Homme, this is a great answer. Too much emphasis placed on fragrance. The industry has brainwashed us to believe that a spray of such-and-such will make us as attractive as the celebrity fronting the scent. Besides, wearing the scent that millions of other men will not set you apart. The irony: men want a "signature" scent and then buy one of the best-sellers they find in a department store.

    The sticky in the men's forum is filled with men (many young) interested in a magic potion that will make them attractive to women instantly. Bottom line: the man's fragrance has nothing to do with attraction save that it's a part of good grooming. I'd venture 99% of women will not be attracted to a slob.
    "No sweet perfume ever tortured me more than this." Desert Rose by Sting and Cheb Mami, Album 1999.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    L'Homme, this is a great answer. Too much emphasis placed on fragrance. The industry has brainwashed us to believe that a spray of such-and-such will make us as attractive as the celebrity fronting the scent. Besides, wearing the scent that millions of other men will not set you apart. The irony: men want a "signature" scent and then buy one of the best-sellers they find in a department store.

    The sticky in the men's forum is filled with men (many young) interested in a magic potion that will make them attractive to women instantly. Bottom line: the man's fragrance has nothing to do with attraction save that it's a part of good grooming. I'd venture 99% of women will not be attracted to a slob.
    Yeah, but also remember, that the niche fragrance that you spent hundreds of dollars and many hours in the fragrance hobby to discover won't be any more successful with women than if someone were to just buy Acqua Di Gio and never think of fragrances again. People on Basenotes take for granted the idea that most people memorize fragrances and most people even wear them. Most people, other than for a date/party/club (gee, i wonder what all three have in common), don't wear fragrances. And of the few who do, there are 50+ designer fragrances on the store shelves, so what are the odds that they'd all pick the same one. So when people say, every guy out there smells like Le Male, they may mean maybe 1% at most.

    Quote Originally Posted by psylence2k View Post
    but the woman who did the article and lent her research and expertise to askmen isn't just some regular askmen editor.



    and she's even shared this research in her book which she wrote before the article ...



    It's not like she's some regular ol joe sharing their untested theory on the internet. She's been doing this for 20 years , professor at brown, an author , this is what she does, it's her professional career

    I'm not saying I necessarily fully agree or disagree yet

    but It sounds like alot of people in here already have such a invested bias against this perspective that they are just so quick to write off the research of a professional who's done more than just theorize and assume.

    Me, personally, I'm not taking a side fully, but her research makes me go " you know what ?, this might be true " I think that's the sensible and open minded approach in recognition to an opinion that has been crafted with much more research, knowledge, and expertise than my own.

    but I think most of you all already know this because instead of attacking the credibility of the guest writer who's the professional, you guys are attacking everything else about the site.
    We'll plenty of well regarded academics, particularly in the social sciences, that spew out the most ridiculous fallacious theories to gain status. And psychology, in general is full of many academics who can't innovate unless they do such. Not to automatically dismiss her, but just because she was a skilled scientist doesn't mean askmen is pursuing the mass-market journalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    Actually, Askmen is just a vehicle for advertising. There is no agenda or even intention of being an alpha-male or beta-male site. Their one and only goal is to serve as a vehicle for advertising. Hits. Clicks. That's their game. They're concerned with search engine rank, not psychographics. If you take the time to browse their site, you'll see that it's a mishmash of absolutely anything male related that will generate clicks without harming their identity (in other words, no porn). Assigning more of an agenda than that is misunderstanding their business entirely.

    But in order to get the clicks, they need those kinds of articles. Buy a $1200 sweater to become a man. Feeds the insecurities of the reader and the wallets of the clothing companies. No fault of the Askmen staff, they just know how human nature works and they've experienced.

    Perhaps the reason you don't believe in the evolutionary concept of alpha and beta males is because you don't have enough life experience yet. Or maybe you've never payed attention to how human social structures operate. Humans like to separate ourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom as if we're not animals, but here we are, discussing using scent to attract mates. Ain't evolution grand?

    Would I be wrong to say that this is redolent of the putrid stench of PUA pick up artistry?

    In terms of attracting women, most men make the mistake of thinking about their own goals rather than thinking about what women want. Once you realize the difference, it's easy to be attractive to women even if you're not the most traditionally attractive man. Hell, I'm not gorgeous, nor am I particularly tall. I used to be rich, but that was a long time ago. When I was rich, I realized how easy it is to use money to be attractive, but that's a losing strategy because it totally neglects what women really find attractive.

    Want to know what women find attractive? A MAN THEY LIKE.
    Want to know how to be attractive to women? BE LIKABLE.

    Sounds like a flippant answer, right? Oh, but it's not. Sure, a man build like an Abercrombie model will be able to get more one night stands, but if attraction means more to you than the ability to bed women, all you have to do is make the most of what else you bring to the table in terms of attractiveness.

    What do women want? They want good looks, good company, respect, a little space, a little cuddling, and great sex. Also, major points if you're adept in the kitchen. If you're lacking in one area in that list, make up for it by excelling in another.

    Agree with all the above

    Scent plays a role in attraction. If you're smelly, learn better personal hygiene. No fragrance is required - BUT - if you're going to use a fragrance, find one that fits your personality that women are likely to enjoy (or at least not dislike) and stick to it. I say "stick to it" because having a consistent signature scent can help, much like having a consistent haircut. It helps because it gives a woman one more thing to remember you by.

    Yeah. Though it's not something to overthink. In order to smell nice, you don't need to sniff 500 colognes. It's just an accessory. Just like having a nice watch or a nice tie. It would sound silly to say that wearing a nice watch or tie is even in the top 20 factors of getting a woman. I mean we hear some stories of women going nuts over a man's fragrance they love, but those are anomalies.
    resps. bolded

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    Would I be wrong to say that this is redolent of the putrid stench of PUA pick up artistry?
    Yes. You would be redolent, not to mention superfluously obtuse. Please tell me you don't actually read that pick up artist garbage. Oy. That crap reinforces the worst of male stereotypes. I guess it comes down to whether a guy wants nothing more than a body in his bed or a woman in his heart.

    I'm not familiar with the pick up artist lingo. I assumed you were referring to alpha/beta in the sense of leaders/followers. For better or for worse, we are a social species (I hope it's usually for the better). Anyway... this isn't a pick up artist website, so be careful not to assume everyone here is familiar with its terminology.


    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    But in order to get the clicks, they need those kinds of articles. Buy a $1200 sweater to become a man. Feeds the insecurities of the reader and the wallets of the clothing companies. No fault of the Askmen staff, they just know how human nature works and they've experienced.
    Yup. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that they don't have an agenda beyond getting clicks, which I am not judging as being good or bad. I'm saying they don't have an agenda beyond publishing an article they believe people will want to read - or at least click to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    L'Homme, this is a great answer. Too much emphasis placed on fragrance. The industry has brainwashed us to believe that a spray of such-and-such will make us as attractive as the celebrity fronting the scent. Besides, [U]wearing the scent that millions of other men will not set you apart[/U]. The irony: men want a "signature" scent and then buy one of the best-sellers they find in a department store.
    You nailed it there. Acqua Di Gio is a damn fine fragrance. It gets a bad rap here because it's so popular, but it's popular because it's excellent. Men love it and women love it on men. But I won't buy it due to the very thing you just said. I think it's worth it for a guy to seek out something more unique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    The sticky in the men's forum is filled with men (many young) interested in a magic potion that will make them attractive to women instantly. Bottom line: the man's fragrance has nothing to do with attraction save that it's a part of good grooming. I'd venture 99% of women will not be attracted to a slob.
    Exactly. I think of it as being kind of like a pair of glasses or a jacket. It's a signature element of one's style. Some people try to get by on style alone, but most of us know that substance trumps style. And substance with style? That's always a winning combination.
    Last edited by L'Homme Blanc Individuel; 7th September 2012 at 04:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post



    We'll plenty of well regarded academics, particularly in the social sciences, that spew out the most ridiculous fallacious theories to gain status. And psychology, in general is full of many academics who can't innovate unless they do such. Not to automatically dismiss her, but just because she was a skilled scientist doesn't mean askmen is pursuing the mass-market journalism.

    I understand your generalizations of the social sciences and psychology, but do you at least recognize that she actually ran a hypothesis through the scientific method and consolidated a good amount of research to come to her conclusion ??

    Do you at least acknowledge that in doing she has established more credibility in her conclusion than at least 99% ( if not 100%) of the people on these boards who are just going off of their own non-formally tested hypotheses about our current debate ?? Aside from the fact that she's considered one of the world's leading experts on this subject and has been nominated for numerous awards on her research by prestigious scientific organizations like the American Association for the Advancement of the Sciences ??

    I'm also trying to figure out what your criticism of AskMen has to do with the credibilty of Dr. Herz's opinion and research besides providing a forum to deliver it.

    You dont feel like you're trying to indirectly discredit Dr. Herz's research by directly discrediting the credibility of a site that is not directly related to the research or field's of study that do not automatically invalidate research done within them especially ones ran through a scientific method of testing ?? All while not directly addressing the research itself ??

    That would be like me trying to downplay the quality of a speaker's message by criticizing everything from the building that they're speaking in to other speakers who have touched on a similar subject , all without directly addressing the message itself.

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    Sexual attraction

    The attractive powers of pheromones (scented sex hormones) have often been exaggerated – not least by advertisers trying to sell pheromone-based scents and sprays which they claim will make men irresistible to women.

    Widely publicised research findings on female sensitivity to male pheromones have also led some men to believe that the odour of their natural sweat is highly attractive to women.

    Women are indeed highly sensitive to male pheromones, particularly around ovulation, but many popular assumptions about the effects of these pheromones are the result of misinterpretation and over-simplification of the research results.

    All male pheromones are not equally attractive, and some of the myths stem from an understandable confusion over their names. The male pheromone androstenone is not the same as androstenol. Androstenol is the scent produced by fresh male sweat, and is attractive to females. Androstenone is produced by male sweat after exposure to oxygen – i.e. when less fresh – and is perceived as highly unpleasant by females (except during ovulation, when their responses change from ‘negative’ to ‘neutral’).

    So, men who believe that their ‘macho’, sweaty body-odour is attractive to women are deluding themselves, unless they are constantly producing fresh sweat and either naked or changing their clothes every 20 minutes to remove any trace of the oxidised sweat. Generally, the female-repelling androstenone is the more prominent male body odour, as the fresh-sweat odour of androstenol disappears very quickly. In terms of scent, the sweaty macho-man is therefore likely to be unattractive to most women, most of the time – at best, he may elicit a grudging ‘neutral’ response from women who happen to be ovulating (which of course excludes all those taking oral contraceptives).

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    I don't believe in the whole evolutionary concept of alpha and beta males, especially in this day and age, but since their articles invoke those concepts (whether in a subtle way or it's obnoxiously obvious), I might as well say that Askmen is a betamale site, as the guys who are getting dates are going out and doing things - not reading on a blog how to be more of a man.

    And, Askmen isn't even a reputable non-scientific source.

    The terms Alpha/Beta male or female (there's also Gamma, Delta, Epsilon and Omega too) come from Ethology- the study of (non-human) animal behaviour, and have a very specific meaning as part of what is referred to as "Dominance Hierarchy". The study of human behaviour is Psychology in which the concept of Dominance Hierarchy is replaced by Social Hierarchy and in which the terms "Alpha Male" etc do not occur. Human personality types vary to such a degree that as yet psychology has not fully mapped or explored all of them and certainly does not agree on exactly what they are. The immense degree of variation and subtlety of emotion and behaviour exhibited by human beings simply does not allow for reduction into a simple Alpha-Beta-Gamma-Delta-Epsilon-Omega categorisation.

    The Alpha-male concept (as applied to human beings) has entered into public conciousness and occurs as part of popular culture but it has absolutely no value or use whatsoever in any genuine attempt to conceive of real human behaviour. Interestingly though, one of the proposed features of a Narcissistic Personality (a, broadly speaking, well mapped human personality type) or indeed a Narcissistic Personality Disorder (the pathological version of the personality type) is a strong (or indeed obsessive) confidence on one's own "Alpha" status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psylence2k View Post
    but the woman who did the article and lent her research and expertise to askmen isn't just some regular askmen editor.



    and she's even shared this research in her book which she wrote before the article ...



    It's not like she's some regular ol joe sharing their untested theory on the internet. She's been doing this for 20 years , professor at brown, an author , this is what she does, it's her professional career

    I'm not saying I necessarily fully agree or disagree yet

    but It sounds like alot of people in here already have such a invested bias against this perspective that they are just so quick to write off the research of a professional who's done more than just theorize and assume.

    Me, personally, I'm not taking a side fully, but her research makes me go " you know what ?, this might be true " I think that's the sensible and open minded approach in recognition to an opinion that has been crafted with much more research, knowledge, and expertise than my own.

    but I think most of you all already know this because instead of attacking the credibility of the guest writer who's the professional, you guys are attacking everything else about the site.

    I don't have any bias against a scientific perspective on the role of scent in sexual attraction, I do mistrust pop-science or indeed pseudo-science published (or even misrepresented) via unreliable or otherwise suspect sources like Askmen.

    My problem is with how scientific studies and results and the theories and findings these produce are mangled and garbled by poor journalism, and how that feeds into popular misunderstandings about the theories and findings in question.

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