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    What is bubblegum fragrance? I keep coming across fragrances which have what I would call a bubble gum note, and I assume it's a combination of several different fragrances. I'm talking about classic pink bubblegum smell that everyone knows but no one seems to be able to accurately describe. I'm guessing wintergreen, cloves, cinnamon, and maybe some orange, and maybe some florals. Does anyone know how bubblegum flavor is made? I've searched the Web and I can't seem to find a definitive answer.

    Right now I'm smelling the drydown of Aziyadé by Parfums d'Empire and getting a distinct bubblegum thing. I often notice it in sweet oriental scents.

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    Depends which country you live in. In England a typical Bubblegum fragrance would consist of Orange Oil plus various esters such as Ethyl Butyrate and Vanillin. In America (and from your description Canada) it would be something spicy such as is found in Dentine. Cassia plus Methyl Salicylate etc. The flavour is made by mixing together various oils and chemicals just like making a perfume.

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    Check this out: http://www.demeterfragrance.com/7040...ubble-Gum.html

    Here's something else you could explore:

    The flowers of the shrub Philadelphus, aka "Mock Orange", are often described as having a bubble-gum like scent. (Shouldn't be difficult for you to find in a nursery/garden centre - it's a native of North America). Here in the UK, it flowers June-July.
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    Jasmine can often take on a strong bubblegum personality.
    Noteable examples are
    Bubblegum Chic Heeley
    Love By Kilian
    Tubereuse 3 Animale Histoires De Parfums
    Charogne Etat Libre D'Orange

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    Thanks for the replies. David, you're spot on with that description.

    I found a blog which gives a bit more information. It seems bubblegum flavor contains flavors from orange oil, wintergreen oil, vanillin and cassia, all synthetics, which when mixed together become indistinguishable. This makes sense as the fragrance seems to be a specific scent unto itself, not discernible as a combination of separate notes, which according to the most informative page on the subject I could find, is because all the scents are of high amplitude. The article refers to flavor, but I imagine the same might be true of fragrance. I think it's why I detect what I call "bubblegum" in various fragrances, as the effect of a number of high-amplitude scents combining to make the distinct impression of bubblegum. Some fragrant flowers indeed have such a combination of aromatic qualities with orange-citrus, wintergreen, cinnamon and vanilla notes.

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    When I looked up Ethyl Butyrate on Perfumer's Apprentice, it was described as having a "banana/pineapple fruity-ness". I think the "banana" quality may actually be the x-factor that makes something smell like bubblegum. I don't really think of pink bubblegum as having a particularly citric, minty, or cinnamon smell, although those qualities may be present. But as I think of it, a synthetic banana note, combined with vanilla, would fit perfectly.

    As for fragrances that trigger thoughts of bubblegum, "Gaultier 2" always had a bubblegum-ishness to my nose. I think of that fragrance as being pink bubblegum (specifically Bazooka) plus amber.

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    Many esters have a "bubble gum" feel. Jasmin contains a huge amount of Benzyl Acetate which many describe as Bubblegum. Amyl Acetate is another. In England I doubt if Wintergreen, or more likely Methyl Salicylate, would be used. Methyl Sal is associated with muscle rubs here, whilst in America it is put into drinks and candy. Orange Oil ( a natural) would be used. Cassia is also a natural oil although it is more likely that Cinnamic Aldehyde (major component) would be used as it's cheaper. Again, more likely to come across it is America which is fanatical about Cinnamon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA2000 View Post
    When I looked up Ethyl Butyrate on Perfumer's Apprentice, it was described as having a "banana/pineapple fruity-ness".

    Believe it or not, I can smell traces of Ethyl Butyrate in human's vomit.
    (LA2000 if you're looking for a banana smelling aromachemical I'd suggest looking elsewhere. Ethyl butyrate is more pineapple IMO).
    Now, orange is undoubtedly a bubblegum smell component but it it more a combo of orange with green mandarin that does it for me.
    Again, as David says, different people might have a different idea about it.
    In my mind, "big babol" is the reference. "Allure for women" has an intense bubblegum aura as I remember it.
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    The smell you are detecting in vomit is probably butyric acid. Every sample of Ethyl Butyrate will contain a very small amount of the acid; you don't need much as it is very strong. It is also the smell of cheese and sour milk, and rancid butter; hence the name.

    Banana note can be created using Amyl Acetate, Hexenol (or tripal; anyway, something green) and a touch of eugenol or Clove Bud oil.

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    I am impressed David.
    I don't have access to amyl acetate anymore. If there's something else that's close to it, let me know.
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    You could try Benzyl Acetate, or (more expensive) Prenyl Acetate. If you can't get Amyl Acetate, and I'm surprised as it is very common, you my have problems getting the others.

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    If you could suggest me a provider because I haven't been able to find it in any of the businesses I usually buy (and I do buy in small quantities).
    Also, now that you mentioned it, Benzyl Acetate with Orange does give a lovely bubblegum opening!
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    ION why don't you Google "Suppliers of Amyl Acetate"; there's loads. I had a very quick look and found a few that would provide 25.0 ml or 50.0ml samples. If you really want Banana then Amyl Acetate is vital.

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    Thank you David. I have tried in the past and got hold of it, once. Further efforts have proved fruitless. I suspect its high flammability and import regulations must be the cause of that.
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    Transportation may be a problem as Amyl Acetate is quite flammable; I hadn't thought of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDD8
    The flowers of the shrub Philadelphus, aka "Mock Orange", are often described as having a bubble-gum like scent. (Shouldn't be difficult for you to find in a nursery/garden centre - it's a native of North America). Here in the UK, it flowers June-July.
    It is actually the Belle Etoile variety of Philadelphus which smells of Juicy Fruit gum by Wrigleys, not bubblegum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forfreddie View Post
    Jasmine can often take on a strong bubblegum personality.
    Noteable examples are
    Bubblegum Chic Heeley
    I got the same sensation with this one too.

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    Benzyl acetate, linalool plus a touch of metyl benzoate will give you a bubblegum smell.

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    Depends which country you come from. In America it will have Cinnamon in it, in England it will have Methyl Anthranilate. General mix of Amyl Acertate, Ethyl Butyrate, Benzyl Acetate, Orange oil, Vanillin.

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    According to Wikipedia, the flavor is achieved by chemicals such as ethyl methylphenylglycidate and isoamyl acetate. And, fruit extracts are also used. When I was a kid, my gum of choice was Hubba Bubba (!). I agree with professor goggles about the floral component. If I were making a bubblegum-theme fragrance, Ylang Ylang essential oil would definitely be in my mix. Regards, Chris

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    Ethyl Methylphenyl Glycidate AKA Aldehyde C16; so called Strawberry Aldehyde. Ylang oil contains Prenyl Acetate which smells like a more refined Amyl Acetate.

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    I'm forever trying to discern the constituent flavors which make up whatever bubblegum I happen to be chewing. The past few weeks I've been all about the Double Bubble (a nickname for my beloved as well ) It's got a tad bit of mintyness but a banana and melon flavor predominate. I just can't get enough of the flavor and will go through an entire bag in one sitting, opening two at a time and chewing for about 10 minutes or so until the flavor is more or less gone, over and over til it's done. I'm kind of OCD like that.

    For a while Extra Classic was my go to chew and I'm going to buy a pack today just so I can compare and contrast with the Double Bubble. All in the name of art and science.
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    There was a green chewing gum in France that I used to love as a teenager called chlorophyll and I normally loathe chewing gum. The same brand also did a hot cinnamon one too from memory.

    Hubba bubba was the fruity one we had as kids. I don't suppose anyone ever forgets that smell after it's been stuck to your face a few times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    Hubba bubba was the fruity one we had as kids. I don't suppose anyone ever forgets that smell after it's been stuck to your face a few times...
    Hey Mums. If you had to recreate the flavor of Hubba Bubba what flavors would you use? This thread is about bubblegum as a flavor, not just any generic chewing gum. I remember the rumor that was going around in the 70's that Hubba Bubba was made with spider eggs which is how they got it so elastic. Ah yes, here we are: http://urbanlegendsonline.com/spider...make-it-chewy/
    It is true that fish stink. It is also true that the river is
    beautiful. But the river would be beautiful despite the fish. What
    is noxious remains so.

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    field. Bread made from the field tastes sweet, wine from the arbor
    sweetest. All things serve a purpose, but that is no reason to
    glorify what is abominable. A man must still watch where he walks
    and keep his sandals clean.
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    Ok, hard one, but I am working on a fruity perfume at the moment so I have a new arsenal of smelly fruity ingredients to hand. I don't know them all very well yet but I have notes so I'll try.... this will be from pure childhood memory only as I do not have any hubba bubba here....

    Something like:-

    A touch of Strawberry glycolate = sweet, fruity, strawberry, floral, honey, fatty
    Yes to a main quantity of the Amyl Acetate = Ethereal, fruity, banana, pear, apple
    A micro dot of Cassis base 345b = Jammy, blackcurrant, green, bushy, rich, raw, cassis
    Ethyl vanillin = Sweet, creamy, vanilla, caramel
    A tiny micro dot of eugenol = Sweet, spicy, clove, woody
    Some Geranyl Isovalerate = Green, fruity, apple, blueberry, pineapple, oiy , herbaceaous, fruity and melon nuances with a berry note.
    Some Hexyl Acetate = fruity, green, apple, banana, sweet, fatty apple and pear
    Melonal = for the fresh ozone feel of the initial blast, melon fresh air, sweet, clean green
    Lastly, possibly, some tropical ionone = Green, floral, woody, orris, tropical, weedy, waxy leather/vanilla nuance, pineapple.
    Then something I don't know yet for the rubbery plastic fruity feel...
    like myrcene = Taste Description: Woody, vegetative, citrus, fruity with a tropical mango and slight leafy minty nuances

    ... you just know I'm going to have to make this up now don't you? I shall blame it on you.... xx

    Quote Originally Posted by superfluousPastry View Post
    Hey Mums. If you had to recreate the flavor of Hubba Bubba what flavors would you use? This thread is about bubblegum as a flavor, not just any generic chewing gum. I remember the rumor that was going around in the 70's that Hubba Bubba was made with spider eggs which is how they got it so elastic. Ah yes, here we are: http://urbanlegendsonline.com/spider...make-it-chewy/
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    Yay! I'll take the blame. If you do whip up a batch and it's close to the real thing, I might need to have some.
    It is true that fish stink. It is also true that the river is
    beautiful. But the river would be beautiful despite the fish. What
    is noxious remains so.

    That is not to say that sh*t is not useful when buried in the wheat
    field. Bread made from the field tastes sweet, wine from the arbor
    sweetest. All things serve a purpose, but that is no reason to
    glorify what is abominable. A man must still watch where he walks
    and keep his sandals clean.
    c.21 of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Trans: Normandi Ellis

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    Quote Originally Posted by superfluousPastry View Post
    Yay! I'll take the blame. If you do whip up a batch and it's close to the real thing, I might need to have some.
    Naturally I am compelled to try but others have been there before me... it is a strangely well trodden path....

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    Thanks for the suggestions, Mumsy. Demeter's is probably the most affordable but I'd love to sample the others. I don't know if I'd ever wear it as a fragrance per se...maybe just a mood lifting comfort scent to wear around the house or scent my car with. It would be cool to have a Mumsy original in my humble collection though....maybe someday!
    It is true that fish stink. It is also true that the river is
    beautiful. But the river would be beautiful despite the fish. What
    is noxious remains so.

    That is not to say that sh*t is not useful when buried in the wheat
    field. Bread made from the field tastes sweet, wine from the arbor
    sweetest. All things serve a purpose, but that is no reason to
    glorify what is abominable. A man must still watch where he walks
    and keep his sandals clean.
    c.21 of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Trans: Normandi Ellis

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    I'm having a whale of a time trying to crack this already. I just made a blend for you and my daughter has just said 'stop that one and keep it there mum... it's just like jelly babies'. Smelled like a very alcoholic pina colada to me... I wish you were here doing this with me. Superb fun and not so easy a nut to crack either.... It's a refreshing nose break from the others.
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    I wish I could be there too. Seems like a lot of fun.

    From the scents you listed, the only one that's got any decent reviews is the Heeley fragrance and that's mainly a floral! Seems like Bubblegum is a hard fragrance to duplicate. It stands to reason though. It's one of those scents/flavors where the ingredients are mixed so seamlessly that it can be difficult to pick out the individual notes.

    What are jelly babies? Anything like gummy bears?
    It is true that fish stink. It is also true that the river is
    beautiful. But the river would be beautiful despite the fish. What
    is noxious remains so.

    That is not to say that sh*t is not useful when buried in the wheat
    field. Bread made from the field tastes sweet, wine from the arbor
    sweetest. All things serve a purpose, but that is no reason to
    glorify what is abominable. A man must still watch where he walks
    and keep his sandals clean.
    c.21 of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Trans: Normandi Ellis

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