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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    Just received. Will apply before bed tonight and again tomorrow.

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    I'm back, couldn't resist sharing 1st impressions.
    1—spritz onto paper. First whiff is a big cedar chest note, very pleasant. Incense lurks, too.
    2—on left forearm, wrist, and elbow crook. The camphorous beginning tells me this is not your typical "hot buttered" gardenia. Instead I am reminded of SL Tubereuse Criminelle, which emphasized methyl salycilate over the creamier tuberose notes. Big sillage, and very strong, a little goes a long way. Now I am getting the fig note, which I recognize from Ralph Hot which I know and wear regularly. Just to check I spray a quick Spritz of Hot onto R wrist. Ralph Hot is an clear oriental with breakfast gourmand tendencies, so it is much sweeter, but the common fig note is unmistakeable. In all honesty, with Tuvache Jungle Gardenia as my reference, the gardenia note here seems nearly secondary. I'm not exactly getting Julie Wilson at the Café Carlyle (her signature was a gardenia in her hair), but I'm not disappointed. This is a heady yet refreshing scent. We shall see what morning brings.

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    3—woke up to a faint but discernable drydown. Reapplied. First impression is still a more polite Tubereuse Criminelle in the meeting of camphor (probably the cypress), green notes of the crushed stem sort, and finally the coconut-y gardenia kalli describes. I find it cool rather than warm, still experiencing it as heady yet refreshing. I think this would be a lovely summer's night fragrance.

    Will pass on the 30Roses soon.

    Thank you kalli!

    ps—the bubblegum scratch and sniff cracked me up, as I had just written a capsule review to a friend re: Charbert's Breathless: cyanide and bubblegum (;
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    Lol jujy, timing eh?

    I didn't get any fig..but I am not familiar with fig notes. I think the only one I've sniffed is from Womanity..but I only sniffed that a couple of times as I don't care for it at all! lol. Caviar?. Salty and yuk. I didn't know Hot had fig..mmm, I liked Hot for a while there.. didn't like it the last time I sniffed but I may have to re-sniff sometime. I liked Wild for a while too, dug the strawberries.
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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    Quote Originally Posted by kalli View Post
    Lol..haha, I totally feel ya on those white flowers! I wouldn't want a tuberose soliflore either, ugh, lol. Too bad it didn't work out, ya, I noticed as it developed the gardenia really came out more and I think that's when I wanted to exit.
    I'm not quite sure what it is about these powerful ladies that's such a turnoff to me, as I used to absolutely LOVE them. Just too much sensory overload I suppose. Too bad really. It would have been nice to renew my appreciation which I'd hoped this scent would do. I feel like I've turned my back on old friends!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jujy54 View Post
    Just received. I think this would be a lovely summer's night fragrance.

    This morning, I did spray a little down my cleavage—make that "continental divide". Spent the afternoon in a stuffy sweat-inducing classroom. Waited until I got home to stick my nose down my shirt, needless to say. Sure enough, this fragrance will bloom in the hot weather, it needs a warm body for the waxy part of the gardenia to make its entrance.

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    kalli, of the Ralphs, I only liked Hot, the others were too 20-something watery innocuous for me. Ralph is young, too, but with some old-school oriental, just more offbeat. A lot of people smell milk and maple syrup in addition to the fig, thus my appellation "breakfast gourmand."
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    So # 3 finally sent off.
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    Just a quick one to say that I got the package. Yay! Thank you so much, Kalli! I will start testing tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitefluffy View Post
    Just a quick one to say that I got the package. Yay! Thank you so much, Kalli! I will start testing tomorrow.
    Sent my sample on to bookhouseshell, so you should have company with your test soon!

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    Well, I got to try it and this is what I thought:

    Like previously mentioned, it opens up very promisingly. Sharp greens with a smell of dirt: must be the galbanum and earl grey tea. Then, like Genie Jeanie pointed out the drunken, attention seeking gardenia has arrived. To be fair, it is not as obnoxious as some other gardenias, but gardenia it is. She quickly took over a party: kicked the DJ out, cleared the dance floor, ate all condiments and finished everyone's drinks after which she hiccuped some boring musk. It's just too bad that the greens didn't persist and gardenia took over; if they did, it would have been very interesting perfume.

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    Interesting description WF, lol.

    Sorry it didn't work for ya but at least you tried it, not even being a gardenia liker.

    Still have six slots available guys..if anyone wants to try!
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    It really is not bad perfume at all, I am very grateful for the opportunity to try it. I think many people who like gardenia might like this one. I wonder if Mimi Gardenia has tried it yet...

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    Well, I just tried on Bronze Goddess by EL without reading the notes first, LOL. Cause LOL and behold, lots of gardenia(tiare to be exact). I was like ooooh coconut then oh no gardenia! I just remember coconut was in that one and I just spritzed away lol. So, ya..lesson learned. Anyway, my point is is that Bronze Goddess reminds me of Hothouse a lot. Lighter than HF but some similarities for sure.
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    Sample arrived on Saturday, but I've been really busy with family birthdays & my mother in town, so haven't had a chance to post. For the record, I do like big white flowers, but my nose isn't discerning enough to tell which one I'm smelling. Chantecailles Petalia was absolutely amazing for me, I really like vtg White Shoulders, AG Gardenia Passion & Chanel's, but I've never really done a full-on note bonanza or anything.

    With that being said, the first couple hours with HF were not really pleasant. While BWF immediately hit the scene, she came without creamy, buttery, smooth, heady or green that I like her with. Instead there was a strange, intense pulsating spice accompaniment that was overpowering, flat & quite off-putting. Strange, I generally like spicy, but this particular combo was just WRONG! The way it smelled on me for a couple hours (which did not develop at all) was reminiscent in tone somehow to stuff my 13 yo daughter wears, modern & synthetic. All that being said, hours later the annoying smell does fade, leaving a quite pleasant & pretty drydown. I don't think I could go through the beginning to get to the end though, just not worth it.

    Thanks so much to Kalli & Genie Jeanie. I will be passing sample on today or tomorrow. Calilove, could you PM your addy to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookhouseshell View Post
    Sample arrived on Saturday, but I've been really busy with family birthdays & my mother in town, so haven't had a chance to post. For the record, I do like big white flowers, but my nose isn't discerning enough to tell which one I'm smelling. Chantecailles Petalia was absolutely amazing for me, I really like vtg White Shoulders, AG Gardenia Passion & Chanel's, but I've never really done a full-on note bonanza or anything.

    With that being said, the first couple hours with HF were not really pleasant. While BWF immediately hit the scene, she came without creamy, buttery, smooth, heady or green that I like her with. Instead there was a strange, intense pulsating spice accompaniment that was overpowering, flat & quite off-putting. Strange, I generally like spicy, but this particular combo was just WRONG! The way it smelled on me for a couple hours (which did not develop at all) was reminiscent in tone somehow to stuff my 13 yo daughter wears, modern & synthetic. All that being said, hours later the annoying smell does fade, leaving a quite pleasant & pretty drydown. I don't think I could go through the beginning to get to the end though, just not worth it.

    Thanks so much to Kalli & Genie Jeanie. I will be passing sample on today or tomorrow. Calilove, could you PM your addy to me?
    Too bad you didn't care for this one either, bookhouseshell. I think the notes you hated were the only ones I liked! It's fun to join in these passes for the different interpretations, even if the scent doesn't seem to get a lot of love. Thanks for the review!

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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    Hello, girls!

    Kalli, thanks so much for spearheading this. I love a gal who takes charge.

    First off, confession: I've never smelled a real gardenia. However, I'm lead to believe Mike Storer's Stephanie is a fairly good and green rendition, even if it is only selectively popular. I like it a lot, but only for a quick visit now, or else it wears out its welcome because I've overdosed in the past.

    I love florals overall, and the first time I saw the word "hothouse," my imagination suckered me in. Who doesn't love a hothouse, greenhouse or botanical dome? I don't know (yet) how the green notes, fig and frankincense play in to this composition, but those are favorites, so that's all good. Like, 30 Roses, I haven't found "me" in any of the Ineke frags yet, but I haven't disliked what I've sampled, and can honestly recommend the lilac-y After My Own Heart, and I love the looks of Ineke's former and current website.

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    I did spray a little down my cleavage—make that "continental divide".
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    The package is on it's way to lovely CN!

    I agree with Genie Jeanie that those green notes were the only ones I liked too. If there was more of them and less of gardenia and musk, I would consider a bottle. So far, after Goutal pass and the Hothouse I still prefer gardenias on a bush.

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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    Quote Originally Posted by Quarry View Post
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    First off, confession: I've never smelled a real gardenia....
    Would a nursery in your area carry them? We have one here in town that always carries the plants in the winter, and there are usually several in bloom; I sometimes visit the nursery in hopes of having a whiff. I really love the blooms.

    We even bought a plant one year, but found that their reputation for being finicky was well founded, and we couldn't get it to produce any more flowers...it finally died. (I'm sure I just didn't take good enough care of it.)

    Edit:
    My mail today brought me a surprise sample from Rodney at the Creed Boutique in NYC: Fleurs de Gardenia, a 2006 scent that I had not smelled before. Apparently they are expecting some in next week, if there is anyone out there that wants to know. I have it dabbed on the back of both wrists. This is very sweet-- too sweet for me to wear.
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    I think I liked the woody notes the most, very nice in this scent.
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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    Note: Robin is doing a review of Hothouse Flower today.

    http://www.nstperfume.com/2012/10/23...erfume-review/

    Yeah, 30R, I don't think the nurseries around here carry gardenias, but you know I sniff any flower I encounter.
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    hello gardenia lovers, i am new here on this post and the only reason why am here is because i have in my possession a bottle from 1935 unopened called gardenia charbert the oz are over 12oz for sure i would say close to 20 oz but it does not say on the label. now i have been searching all over the internet and it seems that this is the only one in existence. my question is how much would something like this be worth since is a one of a kind from a very beloved perfume back in the days. can any one help me, is driving me nuts, i believe is a real treasure but since i don't know much about it maybe am wrong. please comment and share any knowledge that you may have about this precious bottle.

    Thank you.
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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    Completed listings on eBay may give you an idea of what these perfumes by Charbert are going for recently:

    http://www.ebay.com/csc/Vanity-Perfu...&_nkw=charbert

    None of the above are Gardenia. A different full bottle of a Charbert scent sold at best offer for $50:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-FABU...p2047675.l2557

    You could do a search specifically for "Charbert Gardenia" and then save the search so that if any are listed, you get an email. Watch the listing and when it ends, if it sells, you will get an idea of the value.

    However, if I were you, I would just search for Charbert (not specifying Gardenia) because it's possible that one of their other fragrances may have been bottled similarly, and then you'd get a better idea of whether the bottle increased the sale price of the perfume.



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    thank you for your reply, I have done some searching on ebay and several other sites but no answer on a gardenia charbert perfume, even on google, all I was able to find is when it was created not even a picture to show reference, all the other charbert perfums on sale are plenty of. the gardenia on the other hand is to say the least extinct and I honestly believe I hold the last bottle in existence. maybe there are others out there, but not on the net. I do not know if there was a replica created under another name which is the reason why I turned to this post. maybe someone out there knows something that I don't know and that I have been unable to find in this vast internet. :-)

    any leads would be appreciated.
    thanks again.

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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    The value is whatever people have demonstrated they are willing to pay to own it. As you are the most recent purchaser, that value was set by you.

    If you should sell it, the value will be set by your buyer-- and you won't know what it is until you succeed in selling it. This is why many people use completed auction listings to find out the current value of unusual/rare collectibles.

    The funny thing about eBay is that rare items are listed all the time. Collectors die, or get tired of owning something, or decide they need the money more. Or someone's grandmother passes on and the family sells off the unwanted parts of her estate. So keep looking; eventually you may find an answer to your question. (I am assuming you are a collector; if you are hoping to sell it and are wondering what to list it for, use a reserve to ensure you don't lose money on the sale, or start the auction at the least you would be happy to get for it.)



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    My last brush with gardenia is Estee Lauder Tuberose Gardenia. I compliment-getter from the DH.
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    I wonder if CN got the package yet?

    Anyone else want to join the pass? Plenty of spots left! Perhaps I got too many samples for the pass lol.
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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    kalli, group 1's sample is still with jujy, who has a lot going on right now. Perhaps it would take pressure off her if she could just keep that sample. You could send another sample to me, which I will then send on to Twolf, if you didn't mind.



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    Yes, I knew about group 1, I was just curious about group 3. But yes, that's a great idea, I'll send one out to you. I clear my pm box, so I need your address again! Thanks 30R!
    Last edited by kalli; 30th October 2012 at 10:58 PM.
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    Hi, Kalli! I heard from CN and she just got it as their post not been very friendly recently. She also has some things she is dealing with at the moment, but she will be back soon, I am sure .

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    Thanks for the update WF.
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    Default Re: Gardenia lovers invited:)- Ineke Hothouse Flower Sample Pass USA only

    Hi again! I’m alive and sniffing.

    Whitefluffy, thank you so much for your support and posting on my behalf. I will be mailing out tomorrow to Quarry. (I’ll add delivery confirmation so we can track it—fingers crossed for a safe and quick trip!) And thank you Quarry for being so patient and understanding! My mom is now staying with us for a while and I have taken her to see two more specialists at a world class medical center, and we have appointment for one more at this point. I am going to rush this a bit, so I am just posting my notes on the perfume; that is probably easier to read than my usual hypergraphic ramblings anyway! Lol…


    Hothouse Flowers by Ineke
    - Immediately reminds me of White Shoulders, in a good way
    - Green
    - Spicy
    - Not really gardenia
    - Ginger flower
    - Soapy—galbanum?
    - Plumeria
    - Pine, salicylates, resins ??? (maybe this was the cypress…)
    - Bergamot- herbal type not too citric
    - Pikake- jasmine, sort of sharp
    o Then sweetness
    o Echoes of Child -- a tiny bit
    o Indian jasmine soap
    - Mellows more, even more like jasmine soap now
    - Sandalwood—old school, sweet, creamy
    - Becomes more gardenia like after 10-15 minutes on my skin
    - Little bit of glue and dirt
    - Becomes more creamy and realistic. Nice gardenia. Not too cloying or fake. Resin and coolness gives a reality to it. Not too much… or overpowering
    o can appreciate this take on gardenia
    - (after looking at notes: Maybe earthy weird green is corn silk?)
    - Grows a little more woody
    - Gets a little sweeter and stronger after 30 min
    - A little more powder
    - becomes a little cheaper smelling
    - After an hour is really cheap smelling and yukky.
    - Musk, sharp synth floral, and synth wood
    o Very drugstore or bad designer smelling, so cheap, so sad
    - Drydown ruins the scent for me
    - Can see the comparison to EL Bronze Goddess in drydown
    o Funny, found the Sweet William drydown to be reminiscent of EL Sensuous or The One Gentleman, this one is like another dept store frag too
    - From the two Ineke fragrances that I have tested, have not liked drydown in either, and both felt cheap and badly constructed. Disappointing, as dd lasts longest.
    - If not for the bad drydown, would perhaps consider buying for interesting jasmine(s)and very nice gardenia. Drydown is intolerable.
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    - After reviewing notes again: No fig (or coconutty fig) to my nose. Maybe fig in coumarin thing… ? Like fig leaf? No tea, but perhaps the citric bergamot thing may have been the Earl Grey note. I did not sense any frankincense or absinth in a noticeable way.

    Loved Genie Jeanie’s description of gardenia being the party girl-- My tomboy, scent eating skin smacks down (or shames?!?) the loud, obnoxious party girl, lol! She is quiet with me. LOL’d at WF’s continuation of the party girl metaphor—unfortunately, I do know someone like that… ick. So glad this did not bring that impression to mind!

    A big *Thank You* to Kalli for sharing these samples and organizing the sample pass!

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    CN, thanks so much for jotting down your impressions, best wishes to you and your mother ((hugs)).

    Still spots left, lol.
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