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    You're right about having started this thread, MdM. Rube said, "Noooooo!!!!" But I think we should talk about Bal on BN, even though we risk losing easy availability. It's just too remarkable. Maybe we should have kept it an insider secret. I don't know. Too late now. And your knowledge is so invaluable. I think it is good to have it here for someone who is really searching for Bal. I know how frustrating it can be to get information on something. I've noticed that prices on ebay will go up when the boards are talking about a fragrance, but only for a short while, as people will then move on to the next thing, leaving all the Bal or whatever it is to the die hards again. Mr. Wasser quoted you! How cool! Well, I did not see the buy it now one for $35. That seems like a fair price. I saw a buy it now one for $175, which was too high for me. But maybe that was a different formulation. It is so sweet of you to offer to send me some. I love you dearly for it. I may accept if the offer is still open and I have no luck on ebay. Thank you again! (I still WANT to win one!) I don't really like nag champa. I had some incense like that once and it was too much for me - very sweet, isn't it? It's been a long time, but yes I think I can remember that scent.

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    I agree. Interest will die down.
    But, this thread has been so valuable for me! I can't tell you how many hours I searched on the net for info like this. I really appreciate you guys - and all your help!
    Thank you!!

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    Lilybelle: It's there. Search under "bal a versaille vintage." $34.95.

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    ma tante!!!!! Check your perso e-mail right now!!!!!!!
    "...a Chacun son Mauvais Gout."

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    Ok.

    I bought it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilybelle View Post
    You're right about having started this thread, MdM. Rube said, "Noooooo!!!!" But I think we should talk about Bal on BN, even though we risk losing easy availability. It's just too remarkable. Maybe we should have kept it an insider secret. I don't know. Too late now. And your knowledge is so invaluable. I think it is good to have it here for someone who is really searching for Bal. I know how frustrating it can be to get information on something. I've noticed that prices on ebay will go up when the boards are talking about a fragrance, but only for a short while, as people will then move on to the next thing, leaving all the Bal or whatever it is to the die hards again. Mr. Wasser quoted you! How cool! Well, I did not see the buy it now one for $35. That seems like a fair price. I saw a buy it now one for $175, which was too high for me. But maybe that was a different formulation. It is so sweet of you to offer to send me some. I love you dearly for it. I may accept if the offer is still open and I have no luck on ebay. Thank you again! (I still WANT to win one!) I don't really like nag champa. I had some incense like that once and it was too much for me - very sweet, isn't it? It's been a long time, but yes I think I can remember that scent.
    Lily so nice that you mention this, i have noticed this on basenote its so very little info on vintage , when i asked about some price range noone wanted to share since i come from financial field, i understand people dont share info that make them money
    but here i would not expect so, after all its only perfume, not something where one will make fortune
    and i also agree with you, it will not afect prices in the longer term, because each listing on ebay is so different and vintage perfumes are not the only one....

    sometimes i feel that in general people who collect vintages dont use them at all, or use it so sparingly and they are there to be held upon rather then used and there will allways be those stuff in circulation, because obvioulsy all whats been produced in the past cant egt used up so quickly people just like hoarding a lot hehe

    i encourage every talk becasue when you talk you help us who are new not to buy bad stuff, or fakes!
    thank you all!!

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    Here is another BaV review I ripped from Frag: Someone gave *me* a run for my money with this GEM. His name (on Frag) is Lanier and he is obviously a superb writer: I adore this review. I've read it perhaps 50 times and each time, I marvel:

    Rome January 1962, in the dark corners of the huge soundstage of Cinecitt Studios all eyes are on an extraordinary personage. The man is Welsh, and touted to be the new Olivier. With a good ten years of films behind him he has never really hit it big in the movies. Not like he has on the stage where he is considered a god. That is about to change.

    There is a small commotion in the shadows. He and everyone else on the set turn, and his eyes fall upon the luscious curves of the woman who has just unceremoniously sauntered into the pool of lights in the center of the stage. Sheathed in flowing canary yellow chiffon, her eyes of violet blue spangled with glitter and lined with black Egyptian kohl she is every inch a morsel for a monarch. Her eyes with veiled curiosity explore his handsome acne scarred face. She is not impressed and yet slightly apprehensive of his stage training. He takes in her dark glamour in and recalls being tuned to ice by her dismissive glance ten years earlier across a hot star encrusted swimming pool in smoggy Los Angeles. That was the first time Richard Burton laid eyes upon his destiny in the form of Elizabeth Taylor. This time in Rome was the second.

    The director, Joe Mankiewicz spoke briefly to both of them then went of to commiserate with the cinematographer and the assistant director leaving them awkwardly alone to make their own introductions. Burton turned and crookedly smiled to Elizabeth. He picked up a cup of coffee and spilled a little as his hand was seized by a hangover tremor. Instinctively she reached out and steadied the cup. Gently her hand cupped his and guided the coffee to his lips. His eyes fell into hers and locked there for eternity.

    “Has anyone ever told you that you are a very pretty girl?” He said.

    Her heart, imagination and life were changed forever by that simple clich that fell in perfect calculated grace from the lips of perhaps the greatest Shakespearian actor of his generation.

    And so it began the scandal of the 1962 which shattered two marriages, nearly toppled a studio and ushered in the cannibalistic tabloid world of today. It was the romance of the century and inspired a generation of sexual revolutionaries. Not to be left out of the action the Pope got in on the act and branded Elizabeth Taylor a “Sexual Vagrant”. Now THAT is a Movie Star!

    What did this shattering moment smell like? Bal Versailles is the answer. Many famous women from Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis to Queen Elizabeth have worn it, but none more famously than Elizabeth Taylor on the set of “Cleopatra” when she launched a thousand paparazzo’s in the arms of her Mark Antony.

    Created in 1962 by Jean Desprez Bal Versailles is traditionally presented as a female fragrance. Well that was back in the old days of the 1900’s, welcome to the 21st century were such gender identities for fragrance are down right pass. This magnificent perfume fully rounded out by 350 essences is a monster of audacious panache and a masterpiece of design fit for anyone with the balls to wear it. It is bold, and huge in its opening of rosemary, orange blossom, mandarin orange, cassia, jasmine, rose, Neroli, bergamot, Bulgarian rose and lemon. Heavy hitters are the roses and the orange notes. We move in for our close-up with notes of sandalwood, patchouli, lilac, orris root, vetiver, ylang-ylang, lily-of-the-valley and leather. The Leather dominates the heart of the fragrance. If you are a leather lover this is Oscar time at the Kodak Theater and Nicole Kidman has just called your name. When the dry down approaches it is a dramatic movie star fade out. Beautiful notes of tolu balsam, amber, musk, benzoin, civet, vanilla, cedar and resins hold court for the final long shot as Bal Versailles rides off into the sunset captivating all it has touched with its smoky fingers of desire and fire.

    Bal Versailles is a projection bomb. Once you have it on there is no going back. You commit to this one all the way or not at all. The silage is like incense burners pumping purple heaven full blast on Cleopatra’s barge. It lasts for days without the need for “retakes”. It is animalic, dirty, sexy and just a wonder of a scent that has me in its spell as surely as Elizabeth Taylor had Richard Burton just where she wanted him all those years ago in Rome, right in the palm of her hand.

    FIVE GOLD STARS *****


    This also makes *perfect* sense to me: Liz Taylor *would have been* wearing BaV while filming Cleopatra. I think it's an odd coincidence, too that Jackie Kennedy & I have precisely the same taste in perfume, as both of us make/made seasonal signatures of Jicky and BaV--I never knew this until I actually began researching the question in depth. I suppose I *get* that Michael Jackson wore BaV, and why......this said, for me, this is not a reference. HRM Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain--this, to me, also makes sense: However--I happen to know that she *wore* this--and *does not wear it now.* (I have this from a very reliable source who knows her personally) Currently, she wears something from FLORIS. The Queen would *never* wear this disgusting Genesis Gold box american synthetic piss-in-a-bottle.......
    "...a Chacun son Mauvais Gout."

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    I read that one, too, MdM! That is a great one, and I can see Liz Taylor in Bal at that time.

    Iivanita, it isn't that people who love vintage are reluctant to give out information because they are making money, but that they don't want a run on their supply. It will all blow over eventually, though. At any rate, surely there is enough out there for the people who actually do like Bal, and it isn't everyone's cup of tea, that's for sure.

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    hehehe the Queen has taste thats the only thing she needs afteral , has everything else.....

    so nice words for Bal A versailes......

    i think perfumes are going the same direction as nature is, getting less preaty, less stunning, and less natural! whereas technology is advancing.....this was like a surprise to me when i started looking at perfumes , people have more money now then they ever had before....yet even among most expencive stuff you cant get anything of the beatuy of some of those vintages.....i think ....what i am most owrried about is jasmine i learnt i love it so so much , but before smelling Sarrasins i only smelt CK Beauty hehe and liked it a lot, but ofcourse was not so crazy

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    I read that one, too, MdM! That is a great one, and I can see Liz Taylor in Bal at that time.

    Iivanita, it isn't that people who love vintage are reluctant to give out information because they are making money, but that they don't want a run on their supply. It will all blow over eventually, though. At any rate, surely there is enough out there for the people who actually do like Bal, and it isn't everyone's cup of tea, that's for sure.
    hehe, they cant controll the price! believe me, i work with markets if something is supposed to go up it will no matter what its just matter of time....
    i understand reluctancy to talk about it, its human

    for instance that shalimar bottle form 80s i did not even know its real shalimar bottle so little info on it....

    but its good to be aware of this that people dont like to share info

    and basicly sellers of bad stuff are in advantage over us customers hehe.......its not like on buying new TV where you can go in the internet and look up for help and avoid bad stuff

    no intent to say bad about anyone! just was bit sad it works like this...its only perfume after all

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    Iivanita...it's not "only perfume". Although I do understand your point because I could lose most of mine with no regrets. But some are not "only perfume"...they are our preeeeeeecioussssess.

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    yes, um....hehe. It's not only perfume and nothing as frivolous as perfume can be compared with a TV...hehe.
    Me, I say

    HA!

    a bit like Siouxsie, or the Origina Ha! Girl, Nancy Sinatra, according to circumstances.
    "...a Chacun son Mauvais Gout."

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    hehehehehe i knooooooooooooooooww )

    one has to be aware at every moment of obsessions i am like that too.....but i dont understand a man who owns 500ml of shalimar and still must buy some more ehehehehe and when asked a thing is so scared to share some info
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    this is what ordinary people went against in the financial world, against bankers, they hoard too but money

    so at that moment this perfume community starts to resemble financial it makes me a bit sick in the stomackthats why i had wish to say this

    look at these bottles!
    i was searching all basenot fragrantica...noowhere i could find about this!! and its basicly like simple knowledge!

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/221146732764...84.m1438.l2649

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    When BaV EdC comes up for auction, I think about $30 for a 4oz bottle is a good price. If I'm looking for one, I'll bid up to that on NIB bottles until I get one. I have an 8oz and a couple of 4s now, so I'm good I think. I would like to have a 16 just because they would look so nice together. . I'll only do it if its a crazy bargain, though.

    If looking for the PdT, be careful. As MdM said, there are many dummies out there, and they are not labeled as such. Every unboxed PdT I've bought has turned out to be filled with colored water when I broke the seal. Buy lyres only in box!

    The 60ml sprays have all been good, but they are a bit harsher that the lyre flacons.

    I'm worried about that big one I swapped to you, MdM. Have you opened it? I'd hate to think I swapped you a pretty bottle full of colored water.
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    It's nothing to do with finance: It's to do with asking the wrong people. These are testers and they date around 1993. They're both perfectly legit.

    The Supremes made an attempt at "Ha!" once in that song that's starts out: (Diana) "He gave...me....the eye-iiiiii, and....I .....just" (something.)

    At first it came out like this: (Mary and Cindy): "HaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAA!!!!"

    Then, I think, when Diana gave them a quick, nervous look during the recording session, they tried AGAIN. This second time, it came out a bit like this:

    (Mary & Cindy): "Haaa."

    (Still not *quite* right.)

    So they never really did make into the Ha! Girls hall of fame. (they were in so many other Halls--I don't think they ever cared) Florence Welch is now a strong contender. She does an amzing HA! at the end of the piece on Ceremonials that says "You got Jesus on your right" and then goes on about how "This is His Body...." on that piece, she ends it with an Ha! that, by my take, is an appropriate choice for "Legendary Ha!" --Though, opinions do vary, Ha! being such an important, and heavily laden thing to say.......

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    I'm not sure, Rube. Good question. I haven't opened it yet. The really outrageous thing is you can't get your money back on e-bay whe you challenge them with this. I paid $400.00 that ended up being a 4.5 ounce dummy. I wouldn't say "Most" of the unboxed lyres are dummies: I've gotten many that weren't--but in the bigger sizes, this problem seems to arise. I love those huge 16oz Bav EdC's: I have 3. I actually use these--that 16oz size gives you two whole seasons of wear, MdM style. I think I'm on the last 1/3 of my second one at this point. I wonder if that giant 9oz-er IS a dummy? I don't think it is--I don't want to open it until I get another one I have on it's way--a 4.0oz-er. I've "sort of" figured out how to tell if it's a dummy bu analyzing the nature of the juice as it behaves in the bottle. Water and perfume act differently IN the bottle--so if you think you got a dummy, return it BEFORE opening it bc the sellers say that "you could have poured out the perfume and filled it with tea." --which i suppose is true--My answer to one seller to that remark was: "And why ever would I take the time to do that, when taking the time to e-mail now is already taking too much of my time."
    "...a Chacun son Mauvais Gout."

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    I have to find that Supremes song now, so I can hear the not quite right HA. I now have two bottles of BaV edc, a 2 oz. bottle that was "buy it now" and the 4 oz. bottle that I was bidding on, and NOBODY but me bid on it! Maybe everybody sleeps late on Sunday. Anyway, six ounces of BaV edc will be on their way to me shortly. That should keep me for a while, I suppose. Ha!

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    Le MdM you are probably right!!

    thank you!!

    and Rubegone......did you return those things back? i recently got dummie too but i asked seller about the smell, so i returned it and expecting money back...

    now when i ask about the smell, sellers dont answer, is that usual way of doing business on vintage perfumes?...if its gone bad....if the bottle is unopened i understand why they cant say a thing, but if they can open it i dont understad why they dont comment on the smell?

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    Some do comment, I've noticed, and some don't. The ones who don't probably don't want be held accountable if a buyer says it is off when the seller has said it smells good. One person's off might be another person's good, and when it's vintage it isn't going to smell like it was bottled last May. So they are covering themselves. There is always a risk when buying this vintage stuff on ebay. I am surprised you can't return the dummy ones.

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    L MdM!!!

    this is outrageous!!! i would never ever accept to pay 400 for a dummie!!! , if you have paypal you can revoke! this is i think the problem of vintage market....people are not tough on those sellers so they think they can get away with anything!

    ebay works on trust, doing business on ebay is like doing busniess in the shop , its just over the interent ,you cant sell fakes!....so you have all buyer protections at disposal and use it up to maximum

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    I think that if they describe it or list it as a bottle of perfume, you have grounds to claim a refund. Some of these older bottles are listed as collectibles, or the sellers say that they don't know and don't guarantee the contents. Buyer beware in those cases. If you don't know your stuff you are taking a risk.

    i didn't ask for a refund on the dummies. They were sealed and then seller said he didn't know or make any claims about the quality of the contents.

    i think you're right MdM - the perfume is thinner than the colored water and "sticks" to the inside of the bottle less. Also, look at the colors of the picture on the label and the strip around the neck. If they are faded I won't bid.

    The Shalimar testers are real, but unboxed. If they've been sitting in full light on a shelf or counter for 20 years they will be crap. I tend not to buy vintage Shalimar that is unboxed anymore, as it doesn't handle exposure to light well. Shalimar without its top notes intact is vastly diminished.

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    I have to find that Supremes song now, so I can hear the not quite right HA. I now have two bottles of BaV edc, a 2 oz. bottle that was "buy it now" and the 4 oz. bottle that I was bidding on, and NOBODY but me bid on it! Maybe everybody sleeps late on Sunday. Anyway, six ounces of BaV edc will be on their way to me shortly. That should keep me for a while, I suppose. Ha!
    Congrats, LB! I saw that 4oz one and thought of you - figured you'd have your eye on it.

    Auctions that end in the evening usually get more bids, so an early end time or wee hours is usually less competitive.
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    thank you Rube, Lily, MdM

    all very nice advices for beginners!!.....i just hate it when people think they can even get away with selling coloured water for high money!thats outrageous!

    yes Rube...you are right about those bottles, just when you list blogs none shows those bottles just those typical ones, i bought one dummie like that but returned it!.....its sellers risk and responsibility to get item back if its not as it was presented, its like that with all oder stuff, so i just dont understand why would be any different with perfumes, smell is like colour red is red, some dont get all shades, but we all see red....and ignorant can tell whats perfume and smells nice and what has no smell and what is ugly , neutral and what is divine ....i would not think of smell any more subjective as of colour

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubegon View Post
    Congrats, LB! I saw that 4oz one and thought of you - figured you'd have your eye on it.

    Auctions that end in the evening usually get more bids, so an early end time or wee hours is usually less competitive.
    Thank you! I'm being cool, but I'm more like... I can just see me sneaking out of bed at 3:00 a.m. to go do some bidding in the next room, trying not to let B-belle know. He sleeps with one eye open as it is. He doesn't really know the extent of my mania. Well, he pretends not to, anyway. Sunday afternoon is a good time for me.

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    What a fabulous thread. BaV is one of my favorites and I have it in several formulations. Fortunately, I've managed to avoid the Genisis one. I haven't been as extravagant in my wearing of it as the wonderfully knowledgeable LMDM cause I don't have oodles of it but I'm fearless enough to wear it on the subway and in the office. I adore animalic perfumes! If it has civet or leather, I'm all over it.

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    LB I think the Supremes song where they make the attempt, don't get it right, then try again (and REALLY) don't get it right is.......I'm not good with titles. they go: aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAH! then seconds later they go aaAH.

    It's one of the MAJOR CLASSICS--& it's an EARLY one--my sister & I used to dance to it--and we'd always do the arm thing when the aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!.................. aaaah. would happen--it's a really dancey one.--the C & M do all this ooooohhhhhhh! oooooh! as well repaetedly while D keeps the magic pouring out. I just remember the first opening bar has Di beaming: "He gave. Me. the ere--iiiiiiii.....and I just asked him why........and he did not seem to caaaa-aaaa-aaare....then (something) there....(or something)

    You danced to it too-- it's one of those "you must dance" supremes songs....I know there are so many---but this a BIG ONE.
    "...a Chacun son Mauvais Gout."

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    I'm going to go look for that song, and then I'm going to post it here.

    Hey, Bogsc! I'll bet you smell divine.

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    For some reason I think it was called "When the Lovelight....something." I'm just NOT good with these things!
    "...a Chacun son Mauvais Gout."

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    Ok, I found it....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQqQkYYO8n8

    That was a little before your time, wasn't it? Must have been your parents Lp?

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    Mine looks like this (not my picture, but I'm fairly sure it's the same or very similar)

    Don't have a box but it's the EDT and says made in France on the bottom of the bottle.

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    How do you like that one ^^^ Russell? I imagine it's pretty nice. I'm waiting for my edc to arrivde now.

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    From a dream state, le Mouchoir de Monsieur Speaks:

    "No. Not in the least. As it happened, the Supremes played a pivotal role in my life. I can't think of any bit of culture that moulded me and shaped my opinions quite as much as the Supremes. Before I could talk, I was a tremendous dancer. There are real to real videos that exist that show a 2 year old MdM, just barely able to stand, cutting a rug with a surprising amount of panache to "Where did Our Love Go?" I suppose the records were my sister's. I know they couldn't have been my parent's: My parents were very far from indulging in that sort of thing: What's more, neither approved of it. In my family, which is a bilingual one, it is legendary that my first spoken phrase in English ran thus: "Black is Beautiful." So entranced was I by the Supremes that, by the age of 5, (circa 1970) I possessed and guarded very jealously a full collection of every single "Supremes" LP available up to that point: This collection of marvels was my prized possession. There came a moment when an LP was produced entitled: "Diana Ross Introduces the Jackson 5." At that stage, a rubicon was crossed, and, after seeing Michael Jackson perform on television, I decided that, since we were the same age, there was no reason that I could not conceivably be him. This idea caused a great amount of commotion in our household when I realized that sewing was as simple as threading a needle and stitching in and out, which discovery brought sequins and all manner of colourful appliques straight away onto my every piece of attire. My parents were livid. I remember, at one point, being punished for having covered one of my Suits, the ones that I would wear to Church, in shiny sequins. The punishment: My collection of Supremes LP's, which included my most golden prize, a particular one called "Meet the Jackson 5," confiscated. I can trace every little bit of particularity in my adult incarnation back to this fascination: It is so deep rooted that I have no recollection of where it began, or how. Interestingly, though, I was never an adult fan of Michael Jackson's. In the 80's, I used to sit out the ever-recurrent "Billie Jean," and other "Thriller" moments with annoyance: I was too cool to dance to that, at least in my head. Now that I am older, I have nothing but respect for Michael Jackson: I may have been punished for sewing sequins on my clothes, while this young boy was robbed of his childhood and performed fluently on television at 5. I have many Black friends. One of the things that unifies them all is this: These friends *always* tell me: "You remind me of Michael Jackson!" Some have gone into great detail about this. I look *nothing* like Michael Jackson: One of the things we did share was an aversion to light and sun. One of my friends, Leon, explained to me in depth why it was that I reminded him so much of MJ: This *always* fascinates me when I hear it. Leon told me: "You just got it, man! You and Michael--you're the same. I know you don't do it on purpose. You just both have something. I don't know what it is, but you got it!" (I *still* don't know what *it* is.) What I do know: I LOVE hanging out with my black friends. When I lived in New York, *NOTHING* would keep me from "Sylvia's" on Sundays--where--very frankly--I would be the only non-black member of the party: Sylvia's was/is in Harlem. I can say this: I miss ONE thing about living in NYC, and that is: Going to Harlem with my buddies. I was *always* treated with such love and warmth: I've never been anywhere else where people have been so kind to me. In my head, I always attributed this to my clothes. Black people in general appreciate extreme style. My fellow whities are often repelled by it, which works in my favour. As I have always said: "It keeps the Tourists away." Don't show me a red silk shantung tux and ask me *not* to wear it to the opening of the Opera. There was a time when my "Silver Jeans Pile" had 18 different variations of silver, from "barely there pearlized" all the way to tin-foil calf skin. Most were leather, calf, or goat. Give me those red shoes--Yes: I'll take the Ann Demeulemeester Feather Vest. I *need* this fringe jacket. I'll live in it. I don't care if the Damien Hirst covered in swawarski crystals Levi's are sold out in 28. I'll take the 30: Call the alterations person. These are some examples of MdM adult behaviour. The Supremes may well have "started" before my time, but they *made* my time--and they also *made* me who I am. They taught me how to dance. They taught me that Black, is, indeed, Beautiful. I know for a fact that, if there had been no Supremes, there would be no MdM as he stands. Michael Jackson cut it on TV at 5: I can still dance *anyone* down--and on nothing but a vod-soda-lime, at 47: It's why I get in free at virtually any dance club I know, and never pay for a single drink. Thank you, Supremes. Thank you, Michael Jackson. Now: The fact that *UNKNOWINGLY* MJ and I have the same signature scent--One Bal a Versailles--that I can't explain."
    "...a Chacun son Mauvais Gout."

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    LOL Great thread since I went to work!
    MdM: I'm sure MJ wore his BaV as you do - he bathed in it. And I'm sure he first smelled it on Liz Taylor and possibly Jackie O, who was his publisher for his autobiography, Moonwalk. But he moved in extremely high-fashion circles from a very young age, so maybe he smelled it on more than one person. Also, his hairdresser wore it as well.

    There is a cute scene in the movie, This Is It, where one of the dancers smells MJ in the room before he saw him. He comments that MJ must be there because he could smell him. MJ overheard him saying that and supposedly was so embarrassed that he changed his scent the next day.

    It's a shame you didn't make the change with him as he matured as a musician. His later albums are his greatest work, IMO. Go past Billie Jean and Thriller. He got better and better as he matured.

    Lilybelle and Rubigon: Now I am quite worried about the PdT I bought, which is sealed but without box. (The one with the box on ebay now is over $200! HAH! (I am also a constant user of that great exclamation.)) But, it seems to me that it wouldn't be that hard to make a case about it. Plus if the seller was sincerely trying to be a great seller, wouldn't they work with you? Hmmmm.....

    So, it seems that y'all are saying that before I unseal it to look for several things: colors on label and strip around neck of bottle and whether the liquid seems heavier and clings to the sides of the bottle. Anything else before I open it? Wouldn't you be able to smell the perfume even through a sealed bottle? The one I got is supposed to be from a collector, so I hope it is OK! But, I learned my lesson from you guys - buy sealed boxes!

    Lilybelle: I'm glad you got the 2 oz. I can't remember the 4 oz. you're talking about. I should be able to - I looked at those listings SO much over the last two weeks! I think I'm going to start checking out thrift stores and antique shops. Maybe I'll come across a great find!

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    I remember Sylvia’s! I loved going there for what in Mississippi would just be called “home cooking” but in the north was called “soul food”. I'd go there when I got homesick for southern food. It was a very cool neighborhood, too. One time I took a cab uptown with a girlfriend to go to Sylvia’s and I unknowingly dropped my wallet getting out of the cab. As soon as we were seated this tall black man came in the restaurant, handed me my wallet, saying “I believe you dropped this outside.” I was flabbergasted, and so grateful. He just said something liked, “Enjoy your dinner ladies.” Very, very cool. There was another place for *fancy* soul food called Jezebel’s. It was in midtown in the 40s on the far, far west side. They made these wonderful fried chicken livers with some kind of orange sauce with grand marnier or something – I don’t even like liver but those were so good. It was romantic inside, sort of a New Orleans or Louisiana vibe. Sylvia’s was more casual.

    I loved the Jackson Five, too. Michael Jackson was exactly my age. We were born within a week or so of each other. My friends I and used to have sleepovers and play Jackson Five 45s, and we’d sing along and dance. Those songs were GREAT! They still are. When I was around eleven or so, my mother took me to Florida for a vacation, and I loved the Temptations, so since they were playing at this supper club in Miami she got tickets for us to go (I was a huge Motown fan as a child). Our table was right next to a table where Michael Jackson and the brother (is it Marlon?) who is closest in age to him were sitting. The audience that night had quite a few celebrities in it, and the spotlight went around the room introducing some of them, and it shone on Michael – and you could see this little boy in a black dinner jacket, smile and wave like a pro, like a little gentleman – but what he really wanted was to watch the Temptations. You could see he was really into the performance – everybody was. At break time all these people were coming over to him and asking for his autograph. I was at the next table – I could reach out and touch him – and my mother said, “Do you want to ask for his autograph, too?” and I was appalled! I said “No!”. I felt so disinclined to intrude on him like that. Plus I was shy, too. I’ve never asked for anybody’s autograph in my life. But it’s true that MJ had this very palpable **star** energy. He just did. His brother receded entirely into the background beside him, which was strange and made me feel badly for him. Perhaps it was Elizabeth Taylor who introduced MJ to Bal. I didn’t know Jackie Onassis was his publisher, so that would make sense too. I cried when MJ died because it felt like a part of childhood had died. And I felt very sorry for him late in his life – not to excuse pedophilia or sexual abuse of children – but I just felt very sorry for him as a person. I like his dance music…now. I remember catching him in the 80s on a grammy award show, he performed “Man in the Mirror” and there was a choir on stage with him, and I was just blown away by his energy and intensity of feeling. He lived his life in a strange bubble.

    Dogodojo, let us know how the pdt turned out! I hope it is what you are hoping for and not a disappointment.
    Last edited by lilybelle; 5th November 2012 at 12:22 PM.

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