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    There is a type of frankincense which behaves as a base note - it is rich, balsamic and quite woody in a coniferous way. It supports rose in quite an exquisite way. Can anyone shed any light on what this is - is it a different extraction to standard frank e.o? Is it a particular species?
    If anyone has a can help - do you also knoe a source in the UK?
    Thanks!
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    I would like to know too. I have a frankincense resinoid from De Hekserij which acts as a base note but the odor isn't very rich, at least to my nose. Long lasting, but very subtle. It is 50% in DPG, so I don't know, maybe that depresses the odor a bit?

    I believe there is also a frankincense / cedarwood co-extracted absolute which might be useful, White Lotus Aromatics sell it, not sure who else.

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    I think what you need is a CO2 extract. Hermitage provide a beautiful Frankincense Carteri CO2 which is so much richer and tenacious than the EO. It's just like smelling the tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hirch_duckfinder View Post
    There is a type of frankincense which behaves as a base note - it is rich, balsamic and quite woody in a coniferous way. It supports rose in quite an exquisite way. Can anyone shed any light on what this is - is it a different extraction to standard frank e.o? Is it a particular species?
    If anyone has a can help - do you also knoe a source in the UK?
    Thanks!
    Just this week I received Frankincense - Oman from Eden Botanicals and to my very newbie nose it matches your description to a "T". I wore a tiny bit of a 10% dilution to bed and it was still singing this morning, so it should qualify as a basenote. I can imagine it supporting rose very well.

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    I have Oman frankincense at home and it is clearer, less camphorous with a slightly stronger cedar note than the other varieties I have. I'm not sure it's really all that woody though. I still think the major nuance of it is a turpentiney citrus. But I'm talking about the resin not the extracted oil of course.

    I've just tested my tincture of Boswellia Frereana and that is very woody. It smells like a piece of antique fine furniture. As a resin it smelt really camphorous but as a tincture it's a rich balsamic wood, very strong and tenacious as well. I think I like it better than the Oman. Oman is more crystalline and pure but it's quite ethereal compared to the meatier rich body of the frereana. A swipe of this on my arm showed no signs of fade 2hrs later.
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    Yes, I've had that experience too. Most frankincense smells resin-like to me and rather austere, but the Oman Hogari Frankincense from Qanaat Trading Singapore has a wonderful balsamic (but, strangely, not sweet) softness unlike any other frankincense I've ever smelt. It's a scent I would wear alone.

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    I've studied Frankincense quite extensively...

    As for EO's, on another forum, I was laughed at for saying that Frank can be a topnote or a basenote...
    But it's primarily about the distillation times and techniques, that make it turn out differently. (With more limonene and light notes, than deeper notes...) You know, with a box of more than 25 frankincense items, Frank is all over the board... and it's about picking out the aspect you want to show around in your fragrance... and bless the world with...

    The Resinoid, or Resinoid Abs are also good for the basenote time period of evaporation.

    And raw Frank tears tinctures/dissolves <OK> into alcohol, which also serves as a good element... But you'll still want to strain it. And the Olibanum Couer 50 is also a very good product.

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    Pkiler.

    You wouldn't happen to have a source for the Frankincense tears would you? Want to tincture, then distill it and see what I get.
    I like working with the raw materials, and the remains become incense fodder.

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    I haven't had to buy the tears lately... I did so years ago from ebay, but I've had enough people coming home from Dubai, Oman, etc, that they bring it home for me...

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    Have to look into that.

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    Has anybody bought frankincense from Qanaat Trading in Singapore? It has a very special balsamic quality without the usual lemony top notes. I find it smells unlike any frankincense I've ever encountered and it's absolutely divine.

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    No, but I just found out about a Frank and Myrrh distiller right here in So Cal, just 55 miles from me here... YAY! Will be going there and making a friend! PK
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    Well, I'm going to sound like the real ignoramus for asking this one, but I am not terribly familiar with the different varieties of Frankincense. I do notice however in various places that Hogari is considered to be one of the "best", with good things said as well about B. sacra. Would someone please be so kind as to fill me in as to how and why the Hogari Frankincense scent is considered to be so superior to most of the other varieties? I am not interested in the use of hogari or any other variety for the sake of use as a chewing gum.

    Hoping that it might help for me to list those that I have on hand for the sake of comparison to those that I am familiar with, I have on hand the following four versions (none of which include the solid resin botanical exudate}:

    O. serrata India Alcohol Extract Abs (Liberty), as indicated on the label...I am assuming this to be Boswellia serrata (and also, is serrata a synonym for carterii, or another Boswellia, or a different species altogether than both serrata and carterii? I find less than clear information as to the identification of the various species the more I visit different websites on the subject of Frankincense.
    Boswellia carterii Somalia - Solvent Extracted Resin (Liberty)
    B. carterii Somalia - Heartnote EO - White Lotus Aromatics (my favorite, as it lacks the turpentine top note)
    B. carterii - Somalia - CO2 Select- White Lotus Aromatics (close to the Heartnote EO, in scent, but has a minor amount of the turpentine top note that I find disagreeable. Though hardly any at all in comparison to regular Frankincense E.O. of B. carterii.
    (Also a sample of the Eden SCO2 B. carterii, which seems to very close, if not identical, to the WLA SCO2.)

    I have been having good success in using very small amounts of the Heartnote for use as a fixative, finding that if I am careful with the amount incorporated into a blend, I can avoid muddying up the mix, a problem I had with Frankincense in the past (it took me a while to get that down). Would I do yet better to use the Hogari?

    Thanks in advance to anyone who can help clarify for me. If I am packing too many questions into this one post, then I might mention that it is my first question, re: hogari, that is my primary concern.

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    I'll add or rather ask my 2 cents to this thread...
    Some time ago i bought something called Olibanum Oil from my essential Oil supplier here in Poland. It was much more expensive than the other popular oils in the shop and undiluted to my surprise smelled nothing like Frankincense resin ...
    I got a non-viscous oil - It smelled a lot like Melaleuca alternifolia oil so I was quite disappointed.
    The company seemed legit to me (it's a small redistributor of oriental resins, oils and dried plant material) - but i think they or the their supplier got the wrong stuff in the bottle.
    Is it possible for real Olibanum oil to smell like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    No, but I just found out about a Frank and Myrrh distiller right here in So Cal, just 55 miles from me here... YAY! Will be going there and making a friend! PK
    Oh, really?!! 55 miles in which direction? Do they need multiple friends?

    BTW, Equinox Aromatics have a lovely Oman Hougari frank.

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    Thanks for the Equinox listing Deadidol. Any one know anything about the quality of the Agarwood Oils they offer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Oh, really?!! 55 miles in which direction? Do they need multiple friends?
    Anaheim/Santa Ana sorry, can't remember exactly... But they are sending samples out, so I'll know then for sure...

    Frank, Myrrh, Opoponax, and another I forgot. COOL HUH! :-)
    In my research, I saw that they brought in a container from Somalia, that the cargo weighed 33K pounds. That's a lot of Frank tears!

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    GuerlainJedi, with the essential oils,the more volatile, lighter fractions from a plant are contained in them, and lesser amounts (in comparison to other extraction methods) of the other consituents.

    In the case of Frankincense, the EO can tend to have a scent that might be closer to that of Turpentine with some Lemon added, and barely any resemblance to the odor of the Frankincense when it is burned. I was totally confused to find the same case as you describe when I first obtained some EO of the plant a long time ago. I was then unaware of the fact that there were available different EO's in which the distillation process is tweaked so as to be more selective as to what components are included in the EO, with the others being excluded. An example would be a "heart note" EO of Frankincense. Not supplied by the average vendor, but available.

    In addition, the absolute version of extract, which is not distilled as is an EO, but rather is the result of an extraction of the botanical material by way of use of a solvent, will have a scent profile more close to that of the plant resin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Anaheim/Santa Ana sorry, can't remember exactly... But they are sending samples out, so I'll know then for sure...

    Frank, Myrrh, Opoponax, and another I forgot. COOL HUH! :-)
    In my research, I saw that they brought in a container from Somalia, that the cargo weighed 33K pounds. That's a lot of Frank tears!

    PK
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    Excuse me as I drool all over myself, wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Frank, Myrrh, Opoponax, and another I forgot. COOL HUH! :-)
    In my research, I saw that they brought in a container from Somalia, that the cargo weighed 33K pounds. That's a lot of Frank tears!

    PK

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