I could live with cheaper packaging, but if they cheapened the formula, I am devastated.
Thread: OPIUM: repackage & reformulation
I'm afraid it may be true.
Today I came across the newly repackaged OPIUM in my local department store. It was the EDT, and I have to say the new bottle presentation felt rather cheap in my hands. Its frosted glass armour seemed a little too 'tupperware' for my liking.
I feared the worst: that along with the repackage, a possible reformulation was on the cards. So I spritzed... and for a while felt the familiar glow of Opium as I have come to know and love... but then, 20-30 minutes later I was left with a somewhat disappointing parrot of the original.
There is something in the mix that cheapens it so! An unusual rubbery synthetic accord that just doesnt sit right! I can't put my finger on it, but it does reside there.
Oh woe of woes!
Has anyone else tried the newly packaged version, and if yes, what are your impressions?
The bottle pictured below is the extrait I believe: but is in a similar style to the EDT presentation.
Time to stockpile, people.
Last edited by Sorcery of Scent; 24th February 2010 at 01:42 PM.
I could live with cheaper packaging, but if they cheapened the formula, I am devastated.
I am going to try a little experiment Rugs... my wife is due home any minute, and without telling her what Ive sprayed, I will present her with my wrist and the paper blotter I sprayed.
If she is unable to determine which scent it is, or detects a shift in the scent then the formula has DEFINITELY been tampered with.
I'm with Ruggles ~ the original formula is a classic, if not iconic, oriental frag!
Mira has spent several minutes huffing and puffing, and commented:
M. "This is kind of familiar. Did we used to own it?"
D. I reveal that it is a signature perfume of my mothers (of which there are two that we both know about clearly and distinctly).
M. "Nooo! Its not Youth Dew?!" she said.
D. Nope. I said.
M. "Well what else does your mum wear besides Youth Dew and Opium?"
D. I stare at her blankly.
M. Stares at me blankly.
D. "Its Opium" I revealed.
M. Picks up card , inhales. Frowns. "No its not".
D. What do you smell?
M. "What happened to it?"
D. Repackaged, and I suspect, reformulated.
M. "Your mum is going to freak".
The outlook is not good, at least to the noses in this household. If anyone has the chance to sample the "new" EDT, please post your comments here. I am gutted!
Well Dimitri - thanks for letting us know .This is sad sad news. I have already stockpiled Opium because of this but it's bye bye iconic classic reference oriental . Do you think the extrait will have changed too ? ( or is that a stupid question ? )
I really can't say. All I know is that the EDT is not the same.
It will be interesting to read others opinions of all concentrations as they come to light.
Darn. I have only just begun my love of Opium this winter. Soooo sultry and lascivious. My bottle is an older edt splash and I just dab so hopefully it will last years and years, but this is still tragic for oriental fans. I'm curious about the extrait also. I've never tried it, but maybe I should start looking for some "vintage" parfum.
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Reformulated? What a shame!
I adored Opium as a real iconic scent when I first wore it. Spicy and wonderful.
Thank you for posting the ad. As a connoissseuse of the perfume "pub," I like the "bejewelled and barefoot" look o the model. Tres sexy.
"No sweet perfume ever tortured me more than this." Desert Rose by Sting and Cheb Mami, Album 1999.
I tried the EdT at Sephora yesterday and it is unrecognizable as Opium. It has somehow been turned into a a sweet floral of no consequence; no spices, an entirely different fragrance. A worse hatchet job than anything at Caron. Why didn't they just release it with a new name?
Ruggles- that's awful ! No spices ? What is Opium without the spice ? Is there incense at all ? The older EDT was about the incensey vibe .
Thank you Rugs for confirming my suspicions!
I just can't believe what they've done here!
This looks like it's going to be a rough year for the classics. I just hope whatever is plaguing Dior and YSL doesn't spread any further, either within their own lines or in others.
I wonder who's next on the chopping block...
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I've always hated the original flacon
of Opium PF, looked so dull.
At the same time, I was never a fan
of the scent itself.
So maybe this is all good for me,
I'm going to try it out now..!
Last edited by Le Grand Duc; 8th March 2010 at 06:53 PM.
Spotted Opium in TK Maxx last night. I guess YSL must be offloading the stuff in the old packaging. Those who wish to snap up older stock might now consider checking out this and other discounters.
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Oh no, not YSL classics too! I'm pretty much gutted.
I've now tried the new EdT and EdP. The EdT really is a different fragrance, but while the EdP starts out with the new accord, the dry down becomes more recognizable as the original Opium. Very strange that YSL would choose to give Opium new top notes.
This is so sad to hear . Opium it was my first perfume and its been love at first sight . So full , so voluptuous , so spicy , so strong bodied . Thank God i still have some left . I dont even want to try the new stuff . Why are they doing that ?
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this is unsettling! and strange to read, just under two weeks after this appeared. it's an article by luca turin on duftnotes, celebrating opium's birthday.
Thanks to Luca Turin for his input ! Glad to know there's enough old Opium on the market to last a few years .
As Galamb said, wonder what perfume's next for the guillotine ?
I've read comments on other sites from Opium fans who claim that the Eau de Parfum and pure parfum versions of Opium are largely unchanged. The YSL website shows the new bottle design for the EdT and EdP, but the parfum has the same inro-style bottle it's always had. Haven't smelled the new EdT, but if it is reformulated, I'm guessing it was done to appeal to a younger market, with the other concentrations mostly untouched so as not to lose the long-time Opium lovers (who are probably more likely to be able to afford them anyway).
Last edited by subhuman85; 22nd June 2010 at 08:48 PM.
When I created this thread - my comments were based on the EDT. I now have a sample of the new EDP here with me that I have spritzed today.
The EDP, whilst not immediately appearing to be reformulated, has in fact suffered a similar fate to the EDT. The EDP opening is quite similar to the previous version, but the heart and basenotes have shifted. There is still a little je ne sais quoi that is screwing around in the mix... a peculiar (almost rubbery, elastic bands?) synthetic accord that is an unwelcome intrusion IMHO. I don't care much for this. A very similar note I found in Gaultier's Ma Dame as well.
In my eyes both the new EDT and EDP have been altered sufficiently enough for me to obtain some older formulations. I don't care at all for how this new formula sits on my skin.
This is all just so heartbreaking. I suppose the one consolation is that they've made it easy for us to spot the older packaging and superior formulations. Suddenly, the penultimate version of the edt doesn't sound so bad any more, and it still seems to be widely available online.
But what does the "old" one look like in EDT and EDP considering that before this latest idiocy it's already been reformulated? would the " next to last one " be worth stockpiling?
Yeah...I have perceived the same thing!!!
And even the shop-assistants have... - both -the EdT and the EdP - have been reformulated - and that's a total nightmare!
I bought a pre-reformulation bottle two weeks ago... - actually, consumers should start a boycott of the new flacon with its cheapened, watery content!
Just don't buy it!!!
A friend is the manager of a YSL counter. Have not even seen the new bottle out as a tester here. So I asked her about reformulation?
She said Opium has not had a change in any ingredients at all they are exactly the same. I did ask had they changed any of these?
She had been training and Opium they were informed is the same.
So my next question, have they changed supplier for the ingredients buying cheaper versions? She had no idea.
I got this from when Shalimar changed back in the early 00s. Guerlain insisted they had not changed the fragrance all the ingredients are the same. But Shalimar in the top notes was way different. Everyone denied it. Then I got the chance to speak to Roja Dove and he said yes the ingredients are the same but they have now used cheaper versions which means not the best bergamot and sandalwood. So this is how companies are getting round the no nothing has changed, which is correct but cheaper can make a big different in how the finished product smells.
This is interesting Donna.
I have a friend who was State Manager for YSL in Australia and she told me that staff are never informed of reformulations. This makes sense to me because it is not in a company's best interests to publicly announce reformulations... so few actually admit to it.
But the loyal consumer knows better!
Did your friend admit that it smells vastly different though? That much is very clear.
No she didn't as she is not an Opium wearer, prefering the newer YSLs Elle etc.
I purchased a bottle of Opium EDT late 2009 in the old packaging & it has that horrid rubber note that Dimitri mentions, too. Just be sure to check the ingredient list on the old packaging to make sure you are getting the good juice. I've listed two ingredient lists for Opium EDT on the Reformulated Fragrance List thread in the Fragrance Industry Discussion section. I'd hate for anyone else to purchase this badly reformulated juice, accidently. HTH
Loehmann's in SF, CA had some of the old formulation/old package 100 ml bottles of EDT --I just got one.
This "old formulation" is based on the "Ingredient List" on the Reformulation thread. Glad I got the older stuff! My wife just broke a nearly full bottle all over our bathroom floor.......sad, but the Loo smelled pretty great for a week!
I smelled the reformulation at Saks today. YSL succumbed to the base temptation of the day: They "freshened" it. Instead of the shocking, spicy punch in the nose at the top of the old juice, you get an amorphous cloud that just says "oriental." It could be any perfume, although the heart still seems intact. I think they were striving for the kind of rearrangement and unpacking of notes that Chanel achieved in its No. 5 Eau Premier, but I don't think that the perfumer did it well enough (at least not to satisfy the purists here!). YSL should have just brought it out as a flanker. I bought some Opium EDT for my mom recently in NYC's perfume district; I haven't given it to her yet, but I believe it's the old juice. Hope so!
I hate to get on my soap box but, this reformulation is evidence that supports my contention that those fragrances that you would not want to live without should be purchased in depth so that when the sad inevitability that reformulation happens to your favorite juice you have enough for five to ten years of normal use. Hoarding has it's advantages.
Okay glad this thread has come up again. Actually(blushes forgot to look for it), I did spot the new bottle which I actually liked the design of. So sprayed on a card, no way was I chancing the skin. First thing I noticed was the top notes seemed different, totally lacking the something in the opening blast that was Opium. The dry down seemed quieter too, dare I use the word sort of cosy feel to it.
Bumped, because having smelled the new EdT today, I'm happy to play Devil's Advocate: Opium is still alive and kicking, at least to my nose. I've never owned a full bottle of Opium, but I used up a sample two years ago and have sniffed countless testers in department stores before and since, so I'm quite familiar with the smell. (It's so distinctive a scent that it's hard to forget.) After hearing about its supposed reformulation, I made a mental note to buy a bottle of the old stuff on eBay or one of the discounters, but just for the hell of it I tried a whiff of the stuff in the new bottle at a department store today. (Side note: I, for one, think the bottle is gorgeous, far prettier in real life than in pictures, especially when a light hits it - it seems to glow from within. Lovely, and a huge improvement over the old EdT bottle, which I've always thought was bland and cheap-looking.)
I sprayed it on a card and waited for the inevitable moment of crushing disappointment. It didn't come. What I smelled was Opium: dry as a bone, spices up the wazoo, incense to beat the band, rock-solid, and utterly anaethema to every modern definition of a mainstream feminine fragrance. The much-discussed "rubbery, synthetic" note of this New!Opium is detectable (but foggy) with my nose pressed against my wrist as I inhale studiedly - in other words, if I'm consciously looking for a rubbery note. Again, it doesn't smell miles away from what I remember of the original EdT. If I had an older bottle I could do a side-by-side comparison, but my hunch is that I wouldn't find much, if any, difference between the two. The sharp, aldehydic citrus opening is still a breath of fresh air, the carnations in the heart still remind me of Old Spice, and the drydown is still a woody, incense-y beauty.
Perhaps my memory is foggy, perhaps I don't have as sensitive a nose as those of the bloggers and BNers who have bemoaned Opium's demise...or perhaps, as I suspect, little (if anything) has been done to the Opium formula and this is another case of Internet-fuled hysteria, the kind that convince otherwise independent thinkers that Kouros smells like feces just because every other review on Basenotes says it does. If you're looking for a fecal note, you're going to find it, right? And if you're convinced that YSL has ruined one of your favorite fragrances just because you've been burned by similar reformulations from other houses in the past, well...the mind is a powerful thing. I'm flabbergasted by what Kevin Guyer says about the new EdT smelling like a spice-free "floral of no consequence". Are we smelling the same fragrance? (I mean no disrespect to him or anyone else who hates the current Opium, by the way - I'm just genuinely perplexed by such descriptions.)
If you're an Opium fan and you haven't yet smelled the "new" EdT, I urge you to do so, but with as unbiased a frame of mind as you can manage. Evaluate it honestly, trust your nose, and if you truly believe that Opium is no longer itself, I feel terrible for you. But I can't agree. I'm so confident that Opium is the same wonderful beast I remember that I bought a full bottle on the spot - my first, and doubtfully my last.
Last edited by subhuman85; 20th June 2010 at 07:34 AM. Reason: Tried to make this less of a novel. Didn't succeed.
I re tested the new Opium this weekend - on my husband no less ! I would say the juice IS altered but it is discernible in the first 5-15 minutes ,then Opium seems to behave the way it always does. To be fair, the new stuff is not too bad - it just appears that when you first spray - the first few minutes or so - there is a 'hole' in the fragrance to me. Something a miss . I dislike the new Opium flacon - there was nothing wrong with the old designs .
Are they still going to make the old opium?
is it going to be discontinue because i love that scent
Call the Police!
Reformulation without information is fraud. Call the police.
well, what can i say, we can only hope for the be(a)st.
these days, i'm more excited about the bottle than the scent, if the perfume just happens to be good, it's almost like a lucky charm (no relation to the givenchy edt)
It seems that Loreal (again!) did their usual YSL reformulation: turn the bottle uglier, cheap the formula and add some strange synthetic note. That was what they have done with M7, which now is a shadow of the fragrance it was.
My mom will be very sad, since opium is her signature scent.
I wonder it other YSL classics also suffered reformulations, like Opium Pour Homme and Kouros.
One thing I`m sure: the great YSL is dead, and the new one is just a bad trend-copycat-follower
I tried this today. YOU BASTARDS! How could you do this to my dear Opium?????!!!!!! AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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So, finally tried this one out today.
YSL Opium: R.I.P.
sad days for the fragrance world.
i really like the reformulated edp.
Last edited by fountain; 15th September 2010 at 08:02 PM.
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I have tried it, it is completely different, I am upset that they have messed with it. Even though it is not a favourite of mine but it was my first perfume present from a male.
12 was the age when I became acquainted with Opium, EDT, 30 ml. Instant love. I was a walking burning perfumed candle. Choked all my classmates... and all my teachers.
24 was the age when I finally had the money to buy a bottle. I first tried the EDT. My brain was alerted. "Not the same! Not the same!" yelled all my neuronal cells. I went then for the EDP. Same story. I then went for the extrait. Anew: "NOT THE SAME SMELL!" Only to learn that, in 2003, they thought that Opium was a little bit thirsty and in order to quench its thirst, they had provided Opium with some water.
3 years later, they had Opium follow its parent... straight into the graveyard!
As one of the members said above: Rest In Peace!
And long live the stock, I can embalm myself for 10 lives.
Really confused. I have two lots of Opium EDT, they don't smell the same. One was bought a month in the UK, in the new bottle and it thought it was gorgeous. The second is a decant from the US and well, it doesn't seem to have the "teeth" or the same depth. The stuff from the US has a rubber/plastic accord and doesn't smell as spicy or as "thick".
Is this what reformulated means or could it be that it is the decant?
"What out, you might get what you're after" Talking Heads
Yesterday I tried the "new" Opium. They killed one the greatest perfumes, they killed a sublime creation...
Please, don´t buy the new package, this is a sad ghost of the original.
Spotted an older bottle of Opium EdT at a supersize grocery store today, and pounced on it like those cougars at the zoo sniffing Obsession-soaked tree stumps. It's the Tom Ford repackaging, circa 2003, with the tall bottle, red plastic cap, and blissfully short ingredient list. (1. Alcohol, 2. Fragrance. Yeah, baby.) This is the version I smelled briefly in a department store and had a sample of a few years ago, but my memory of it was foggy, to say the least. Naturally, the first thing I did when I got home was soak my wrist with it, inhale deeply, and compare it side-by-side with my bottle of the much-maligned new formula, which I actually like.
The most dramatic differences are in the top and base. The older version is nothing less than the Spice Bomb to End All Others, ie. my Holy frickin' Grail. Finally, I've found a "spicy" fragrance that actually lives up to the billing. The heart of both fragrances is similar, and they're clearly related. The sillage trails of both scents are nearly identical at this juncture - an olfactory brick wall of creamy carnation/cola/incense - and it's for this reason that I disagree with fans crying foul that the new Opium isn't even close to the old stuff. YSL didn't turn it into Beyoncé Heat, okay? It's still familiar and recognizably "Opium-esque", so please untwist your knickers.
But the drydown...well, New Opium falls flat after about 45 minutes, while Old Opium just keeps going, and going, and going. It's slightly richer, far smokier, and has a much slower development than the new stuff. Old Opium, at the 1:15 mark, smells just like New Opium at 0:20. Old Opium has more to say, and is a rather more forceful about it, being sharper, woodier (campfire!), and boozier than New Opium, which is pleasant but runs out of steam too quickly. The old bottle also completely lacks the dreaded "rubber band" accord of the new (which I can usually tune out but sometimes pops up and just won't go away).
In conclusion, after this brief evaluation period: New Opium is perfectly fine if you can handle the less-than-stellar drydown. If you can't, go for the Eau de Parfum, whose drydown more closely resembles the old EdT (in my opinion). It's worth seeking out an older bottle if you haven't smelled Opium and want to know what all the fuss is about, but the new Opium is still better than at least half of what's on the shelves beside it.
For spice lovers, Old Opium is, unfortunately, a must. If clove and pepper are what you're after, don't even bother with the new stuff - you'll be disappointed.
As for the truly vintage Opium EdT (ie. pre-2003, in the more detailed glass bottle and gold-rimmed red cap), I'm expecting some in the mail in the next few weeks, and once it arrives I'll update this post accordingly. I'm expecting it to blow my nostrils off.
Last edited by subhuman85; 4th February 2011 at 01:07 AM.
Very sad indeed, maybe we should start some move to bring the old formula back, like the New "Coke" in 1985
Question for experts - how is Opium Secret de Parfum dated?
Hi! I was wondering if you still had the box for the ingredients list I buy a lot of my fragrances from discounters and never had a problem except for a vintage bottle of poison I purchased awhile ago .Fake bottles of opium sound quite leery lol I have the slender bottle of edt with the circle and lines on the front and bamboo leaves etched on the back of the bottle. i'm hoping mine is real one spritz of the edt has lasted 5 hours so far and still going but is just getting more faint it was extremely strong and intoxicating and delicious in the beginning. The packaging has the long slender barcode on the side it's usually blank on fake fragrances and the usual square barcode on the bottom. On the bottom of the bottle it says edt BRI 92521 neuilly cedex made in france in gold and next it 8FB in black. Next to the f it's a triangle symbol or an A lol. There doesn't seem to be anything off about the bottle except the cap is a little cheap and ugly red plastic lol thanks!
Hi, I'm so disappointed with the "new" Opium. It's nothing like the original which I have been wearing for more years than I want to count. I feel really cheated by YSL, they took the old one off the market for months then sent this muck out. What a waste of money. The packaging is unappealing and difficult to pack when travelling.
Does anyone know a perfume that smells like the "real" Opium?
My daughter wore the origingal Opium (I was a Chanel #5 girl). When my daughter died fourteen years ago, I started wearing Opium because it reminded me of her...I loved having her scent on me. I always kept three or four bottles of it. But when my husband gave me a bottle of the "new" Opium, I immediately knew it was different. When I took it back to the store, they said it was the same...the only Opium...they had. I only have one bottle of the real Opium left and am heartbroken that YSL has discontinued the original scent and replaced it with something so unpleasant. I just ordered a vintage Opium online and hope that it turns out to be the real deal. If anyone can help suggest other fragrances, let me know.