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    Default Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    Hello to everyone. I have been enjoying this forum so much. I accidentally stumbled onto this magnificent website and have been lurking here for a couple weeks now. I never knew there was such a place where folks could gather to discuss fragrances.

    I've been a fragrance junkie since I was about 10 yo.(Avon's Wild Country was my first) and now I'm 54. I still love to buy fragrances not only for me but for my wife of 25 years and also my three kids.

    Currently, my most recent purchases have been Hermes Voyage Parfum and Terre D'Hermes Parfum(both of which I think are great smelling fragrances and have received many compliments) and Thierry Mugler Pure Malt (I bought Pure Malt blindly after reading the reviews here. I got lucky with this blind purchase. I think it's fantastic) and Cartier Declaration Essence which I think smells terrific and Tom Ford's Grey Vetiver which is great. I also replaced original Cartier Declaration that I ran out of.

    The question I have is I'm looking for my first rose fragrance that a man could wear. I know Rose fragrances have been discussed at length here but I'm looking to blind buy one of these and after reading many of the different rose threads here I'm confused as to which one to blind buy. I realize it's a personal thing and blind buying isn't always the smartest thing to do, but I have one foot off a cliff and the other foot on a banana peel so someone needs to push me just a little right now.

    Zino Davidoff and Aacteur Azzaro are inexpensive and got good reviews here but they were supposedly remormulated to something different than the originals which got so-so reviews.

    All the other Rose Fragrances mentioned in many of the other threads are niche fragrances (which I have never owned any expensive niche fragrances) and seem to be soooooo expensive, and many of them have very mixed reviews. Even so, I'd be willing to buy one on a blind buy if I can get some blind buy suggestions.

    So far, I have narrowed my choices down to Tom Ford's Noir De Noir, LE Labo 31, Artelier Rose, and Montale Black Oud(which has many mixed reviews).

    As a side note, I wish I could pull the trigger on Creed Aventus as my first niche fragrance just because it seems so well liked by so many, but because there seems to be so much discussion about this fragrance having so many different variations from one lot to another, and some lots not being liked very much, I backed off buying it and began my search for the rose scent.

    Which rose fragrance would you get, or did you get on a blind buy? Thanks to everyone in advance!

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    I would not buy such expensive thing blind. If you never smelled Montale you may be really pissed off with Black Aoud... You can get Montale samples here http://www.europerfumes.com/7-vial-sampler-1/

    From the other niche brands I like Voleur De Roses from L Artisan which is freshier than Montale and without oud, but with decent amount of patchouli on drydown (its maybe more patchouli than rose on drydown).
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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    Rosissimo by Parfums des Rosine

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    Rose 31

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    Hi and welcome to basenotes!

    Below are a few Rose based scents that are good to try out.

    Egoiste by Channel - Rose and Sandalwood are the main players with a slight fruity accord and a dash of vanille in the basenotes.
    Opus 1870 by Penhaligons - A peppery Rose and cedar, smells good.
    Lyric Man by Amouage - A lush Rose that borders on the feminine, smells great in small doses.
    Lumiere Noire Pour Homme - Rose and Patchouli with artemisia. My favourite as it smells really good.
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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    A man to blind buy any rose fragrance is risky (of course, I have many rose fragrances, and many were blind!).

    My favorites are Armani Prive Rose d'Arabie and Tom Ford Noir de Noir. I also enjoy Creed Windsor, Tom Ford Cafe Rose, by Kilian Rose Oud, Heeley Agarwoud, Andy Tauer Incense Rose, and Amouage Lyric Man.

    Of the ones you narrowed it down to, I would most likely suggest Tom Ford Noir de Noir for a blind purchase, followed by Rose Anonyme. NdN seems the most masculine and universally accepted of all rose fragrances.
    IMO, your best bet would be to go to The Perfumed Court or LuckyScent and get some samples of these and others that people recommend and decide for yourself which you like the best before you invest in one, and wonder if you may have liked a different one more...

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    Lumiere Noire Pour Homme - Rose and Patchouli with artemisia. My favourite as it smells really good.
    +1 - yes, forgot about this gem... Magnificent fragrance!
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    6. Montale - Aoud Legacy
    7. Creed - Virgin Island Water
    8. by Kilian - Straight to Heaven
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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    From the ones you list I find it hard to make a recommendation... It is not that most of them are "bad" at all (quite the contrary) but while Rose 31 is a rose scent for sure, the rose is really not the star, IMO... Black Aoud is a good one, but an acquired taste (probably not best for blind buy)... Noir de Noir has more than its share of supporters, but I definitely am not one and find it a difficult scent to like. If by "Artelier Rose" yolu mean Aftelier Roses, then it is a very good rose soliflore, but it is short-lived due to it being an all-natural composition and it is too simplistic for use by itself, IMO. I find it much better when paired with Aftelier's sublime Oud Luban, but that combo is going to cost you major dollars...

    If I *had* to pick one of the ones on your list, it would be Black Aoud, but I say that without great confidence. A risky blind-buy for sure.

    My recommendation is to look to other targets that are "safer" smelling and less costly blind buys (if you insist on blind buying, of course) like Floris No. 89 or Aramis JHL.

    Then again, if you are looking for a big ticket splurge and you want to shoot for the absolute best, then there is always Portrait of a Lady by EdP Frederic Malle which would be my choice by miles. ;-)

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    9) X for Men (Clive Christian) - tie
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    9) Oud Shamash (The Different Company) - tie

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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    I would also suggest you Rossissimo by Les Parfums de Rosine, probably the safest (blind buy) rose scent for men I've tried.

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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    Have you had any experience with oud? Because 2 of the ones you've listed are heavily surrounded by oud and Rose 31 isn't really that much rose.

    Personally I find Black Aoud stuffy. Noir de Noir kind of has a chocolate rose vibe, so honestly that might be my suggestion.

    Another that I absolutely ADORE is Portrait of a Lady, but at that point it's kind of risky to blind buy.

    A few other of my favorites include:

    Rose Poivre - dirty peppery rose
    Homage Attar - divine rose
    West Side - wine and vanilla rose
    Baie Rose 26 - forget Rose 31...


    I'm not much help...listing those I see my taste falls on the most expensive side...

    I'm not sure what you mean by can be worn by a man, certainly they all can be. Though I could see Noir de Noir falling more feminine due to the sweetness, Rose 31 is more neutral.

    Ehhhh, judging by price and how I think you'd take to a fragrance by the short paragraph you wrote, I'd suggest Rose 31.


    ...I know I suggested NdN earlier, you'll have to be the judge.

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    Pure clear Rose - Lyric Men

    Sharp manly Rose - Le Labo Rose 31 or Lumiere Noir

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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    Thank you everyone for these helpful suggestions. As each of you make recommendations, I go looking for the items to see where to buy it and how much it costs and look at the ingredients.

    I just wish I knew more about how to describe the things I like in a fragrance. I'm just not familair yet with all the definitions and different ingredients that show up in so many fragrances. It seems to me that my taste would favor the citrus, patchouli and or woodsy type of fragrances based on what I own and like.

    Based on that, the Rossissimo by Les Parfums de Rosine, Lumiere Noire Pour Homme and Portrait of a Lady sound very interesting. Actually, all the ones recommended sound interesting to me which I knew going in would make this decision hard.

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    Another for Lumiere Noir - the last fragrance that truly wowed me and also my SOTD yesterday. A close second to that would be TF Noir de Noir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamer81 View Post
    I would not buy such expensive thing blind. If you never smelled Montale you may be really pissed off with Black Aoud... You can get Montale samples here http://www.europerfumes.com/7-vial-sampler-1/

    From the other niche brands I like Voleur De Roses from L Artisan which is freshier than Montale and without oud, but with decent amount of patchouli on drydown (its maybe more patchouli than rose on drydown).
    I've removed Black Oud from my blind buy because of other similar comments on this one. I really want to try it in person before I buy it. I imagine that I'll probably like it once I try it.

    The Voleur De Roses from L Artisan is now on my short list. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    For a blind buy, go with Ungaro III, Zino, or Azzarro Acteur. If you don't like it, you're only out $20-30 or so. If you're spending more than the cost of a night out, you should really sample first. You can order samples from The Perfumed Court and Luckyscent.

    That said, I think Le Labo Rose 31 is a pretty safe niche blind buy for you, given your likes. Imagine Terre d'Hermes, except instead of mineral, pepper and citrus notes, it instead has rich bulgarian rose and a toasty, non-B.O. cumin. The woody aspects of the two fragrances are very comparable.

    Despite Black Aoud's strong reviews, I would definitely not recommend a blind buy of that. Montale's synthetic oud accord is pretty jarring, and not for everyone.

    Another nice niche rose fragrance that hasn't been mentioned is Domenico Caraceni 1913 (though I think this might have been discontinued, because I've been wanting to pick up a bottle and can't find it anywhere online). I'll also second Lumiere Noire and Noir de Noir as good fragrances (but you might want to sample them first).

    I see recommendations for By Kilian Rose Oud and Portrait of a Lady... while these are both FANTASTIC fragrances, I also suggest sampling first, since they are also fantastically expensive and a bit more feminine-leaning than many others listed.
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    Lumiere Noire!

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    From a girl's point of view, I would also support Rose 31, with Pehnaglions Opus 1870 close second. I actually got them for myself, but my husband shamelessly douses himself with both.

    If you want to blind buy, I would recommend getting on a split - there is one for Rose 31, and the price is less than half of the retail. Sure, you won't get the fancy bottle, but I don't think it matters much. I got mine from a split below:

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/246...ign-up-now-%29

    Good luck with your blind purchase!

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    Cheap: Azzaro Acteur

    Expensive: Rose 31

    Both perfectly suitable for a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitefluffy View Post
    From a girl's point of view, I would also support Rose 31, with Pehnaglions Opus 1870 close second. I actually got them for myself, but my husband shamelessly douses himself with both.

    If you want to blind buy, I would recommend getting on a split - there is one for Rose 31, and the price is less than half of the retail. Sure, you won't get the fancy bottle, but I don't think it matters much. I got mine from a split below:

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/246...ign-up-now-%29

    Good luck with your blind purchase!
    Thank you!
    Because of the suggestion to sample some items, I'm going to do the sample thing so I'm not so "blind". I tried to do a sample of Rose 31 at Lucky Scent just now but they don't sell samples of it.

    Thanks to everyone here, I ordered samples of:

    Lyric for Men

    Atelier Rose Anonyme

    Lumiere Noire Pour Homme

    Montale Black Aoud No(this one seems to be the love it or hate it scent)

    Voleur de Roses

    I'm excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitefluffy View Post
    If you want to blind buy, I would recommend getting on a split - there is one for Rose 31, and the price is less than half of the retail. Sure, you won't get the fancy bottle, but I don't think it matters much. I got mine from a split below:

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/246...ign-up-now-%29
    Whitefluffy, thanks for the suggestion. I'm in on the split. I just now added my name to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starshipvelcro View Post
    Have you had any experience with oud? Because 2 of the ones you've listed are heavily surrounded by oud and Rose 31 isn't really that much rose.

    Personally I find Black Aoud stuffy. Noir de Noir kind of has a chocolate rose vibe, so honestly that might be my suggestion.

    Another that I absolutely ADORE is Portrait of a Lady, but at that point it's kind of risky to blind buy.

    A few other of my favorites include:

    Rose Poivre - dirty peppery rose
    Homage Attar - divine rose
    West Side - wine and vanilla rose
    Baie Rose 26 - forget Rose 31...


    I'm not much help...listing those I see my taste falls on the most expensive side...

    I'm not sure what you mean by can be worn by a man, certainly they all can be. Though I could see Noir de Noir falling more feminine due to the sweetness, Rose 31 is more neutral.

    Ehhhh, judging by price and how I think you'd take to a fragrance by the short paragraph you wrote, I'd suggest Rose 31.


    ...I know I suggested NdN earlier, you'll have to be the judge.
    +1....the only blindbuy i made is Homage and after all the search and all the perfumes i sniffed so far! this one has everything i look for: natural, but longlasting, smells like perfume, smells more on the masculine side(thats the only -), most beautiful opening there is,wearable in many occasions, for weddings too .....it has rose, and oud, and amber, and citrus oils and jasmine...enough sweet, enough strong, enough of rose, the rose is not heavy bulgarian one but taif rose hehe
    mesmerizing,
    and nothing can beat it

    happy sniffing! i am sure you will like your samples too!!

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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    Definitely sample Noir de Noir. It is a dirty, masculine rose fragrance with a somewhat chocolately dry down.

    Also, sample Rose 31. It's more of a cumin fragrance than a rose.

    Aventus -- sample it as well. I was going to blind buy it with all the praises that it received when it was initially released. But, I'm so glad I tried it first -- from two different samples/sources, and I never liked it.

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    Whatever you choose, sample them first, don't blind buy anything or you will end up with an expensive or cheap bottle of something you hate.
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    Cheap option: Ungaro III. Love this one, smells expensive. Good performance. Safe blind buy.

    Costly option: Noir de Noir. Rose-based with a pleasant citrus twinge. Good to excellent performance. Sample before spending this much.

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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    I have been searching for the "pure" rose perfume for decades. Until now, the closest I have come is Donna from Lorenzo Villoressi. Please check the reviews of this fragrance on basenotes and on fragrantica.
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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    Montale Black Aoud is great...My pick...but Montale Louban is a dark brooding rose that also smells wonderful...It is worth getting a sample.

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    I ordered a sample of Azzaro Acteur recently, and it was completely horrible, unwearably sweet. LeLabo 31 is great but expensive. Montale Black Oud is good, but imo not worth it's price. I would suggest Zino Davidoff. I think there's minimum or no difference between original and reformulated, it's a well made reformulation. Other suggestion would be Ungaro III but it's original is much better than reformulated version and the original is quite hard to find.
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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    Quote Originally Posted by david View Post
    I have been searching for the "pure" rose perfume for decades. Until now, the closest I have come is Donna from Lorenzo Villoressi.
    What do you mean by "pure" rose?
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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    Chanel goste!!! Sweet, creamy and amazing rose/sandalwood combination!
    Montale Black Aoud! Powerful rose, with a slightly medicinal aoud supporting it. Has a slightly soapy vibe to some, hmmm....
    Azzaro Acteur... The Joker - I have not tested this, but people talk again and again, about the amazing rose note in this, which has prompted me to put on my to-test list.

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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    I blind bought Egoiste and love it. For Montale, try White Aoud. It's a little friendlier than the Black. Neither of these are super expensive.

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    Default Re: Help me decide please: I really want to blind buy my first ROSE fragrance.

    What about Creed Windsor? Definitely not for blind buy though as it is very expensive.

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    My bad. I think this is no longer available?
    Last edited by lsp_NY; 22nd November 2012 at 01:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noteworthy View Post
    I'm in on the split. I just now added my name to the list.
    Great! This way if you hate it, at least you didn't spend twice as much; although, I don't think you will hate it. Yes, some mentioned that cumin is pronounced - however, I don't think it's offensive in Rose 31, and I experienced some really heavy cumin hitters. Another very cheap, but wonderful option not mentioned before is Rive Gauche by YSL. I got it for my husband and enjoy it tremendously (on him).

    I agree with Black Aoud - sample first; and White Aoud is quite feminine, so sample it first too. I love it personally, but it's girly. Rossissimo is another great suggestion that I agree with wholeheartedly, though it's not as rose heavy IMHO. Another great rose from the Rosine house is Ecume (very rosy), and Une Rose Au Bord de la Mer (aquatic). Have fun with your roses !

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