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    Default pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Look at this image!

    ESPECIALLY IF YOU SPEAK FRENCH OR OWN AN AUTHENTIC CREED




    I stole this image from another thread here because it serves my purpose, and because my digital camera doesn't hold a charge, I don't know how to connect my dumbphone to the computer, and my iPod touch is a gen 1 without a camera.

    I believe I have identified this as a fake.

    See, I just bought a bottle of Royal Delight and the packaging is identical to this aside from the size and writing color (mine's gold). It's REALLY good packaging and the bottle, sprayer, and cap seem flawless. Okay, not flawless, as the cap is slightly loose and the back of the bottle seems to have a lot number scraped off, but I think that's part of the ruse.

    Anyway, I've been wearing it for 3 days straight and I noticed that the fragrance didn't have the same "ZING!" that I thought it was supposed to have. Well, as luck would have it, I had my old, empty Perfumed Court sample still around (guilty of hoarding), so I compared and CONFIRMED the difference, and it's unacceptable. Look, you can talk about batch variations, reformulations, and "old stock" until you're blue in the face, but differences like this are criminal. In fact, it might even be worse than the difference between vintage and new Anteaus'.
    People have claimed that fragrances like Royal Delight (and Original Santal) aren't popular enough to be counterfeited, and, excuse my language, but I say HORSE HOCKEY.

    So let's all take a good long look at the pic up top and understand that you don't need to know French to spot the grammatical error. It basically says "Supplier of King A, of Queen B, of King C, and of Queen D, of King E.

    The "AND" is placed before the second to last item in the list. Anyone familiar with all Latin based languages knows that this is incorrect, but a native Arab speaker may not know that, and I understand that these fakes are made in the middle east (there is a bit of Arab script on the bottom of the box).
    Unless there is something unique about French that I am unaware of, this is a fake. And no, I'm not being paranoid, my nose has been telling me it's a fake for a few days.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong about this, but I really don't think I am, and believe me, I REALLY want to be in denial, or at least my wallet really wants me to be in denial.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Creed doesn't come wrapped in cellophane.
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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Quote Originally Posted by b3t0_1972 View Post
    Creed doesn't come wrapped in cellophane.
    Some .com sellers throw the cellophane on, it's in no way indicative of counterfeit.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny Beast View Post
    Some .com sellers throw the cellophane on, it's in no way indicative of counterfeit.
    What he says! Martin

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Quote Originally Posted by b3t0_1972 View Post
    Creed doesn't come wrapped in cellophane.
    Yes, and good job reading my post. Cellophane can be added later to give a more authentic look as Shiny Beast said. This is about the grammar of the French at the top of the box. I am an English speaker with a fair grasp of my language, but I would like either a French speaker, OR a Creed owner to verify that what I suspect is correct.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    The bottle of Original Santal in the picture is authentic, i'm willing to bet your Royal Delight is too. I highly doubt counterfeiters would bother faking Royal Delight. You have no reason to believe they're fake. Stop being an alarmist.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    My VIW and SMW has the same text as the image. The rest of my Creeds do not. All of my Creeds have been purchased from Fragrancenet and for all of them, they smell authentic, bottle looks authentic, and I am satisfied.

    If it smells legit, it's legit. Now why the text discrepancy? I have no idea.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    It basically says "Supplier of King A, of Queen B, of King C, and of Queen D, of King E.

    You don't have to speak French to read the mess on the top of the box. Just know that "de" means "of" and "et" means "and"

    I'm out of my element here, but I suspect the days of GREEN FRICH TWEED are over and in order to spot a fake you have to be freaking Colombo

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    If you look at the commas, what it is saying is "of the emperor Francois Joseph and the emperess Sissi of Austriche-Hongre". Kind of like "of the King and the Queen of England". Nice try though. NOT FAKE.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliDude View Post
    My VIW and SMW has the same text as the image. The rest of my Creeds do not. All of my Creeds have been purchased from Fragrancenet and for all of them, they smell authentic, bottle looks authentic, and I am satisfied.

    If it smells legit, it's legit. Now why the text discrepancy? I have no idea.
    Ah ha, but there's the rub. It doesn't smell legit. The stock answer in these situations is usually, "batch variation, reformulation, or old stock." Although let's be honest, the "old stock" answer is nonsensical because I have 5 vintage fragrances (maybe more) which I hunted down from the 80s and early 90s, some of which came from the warm and sunny middle east, and they're all stunningly beautiful. This leaves us with reformulations and batch variations, and it is true that bottles and packaging do change in these situations, but to have a brutal French grammatical error on a product manufactured in France is seriously suspect, especially when spelling and grammar are the first things people tell you to look for when attempting to ascertain fakes in the fashion industry (Coach, Prada, Gucci).

    So the question is: does Creed feel that, "aw, fuck it," is the proper attitude for a fragrance with an MSRP of $250 USD?

    And the other question is: what is the US government hiding at area 51?

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Looks like the real thing to me.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Quote Originally Posted by timmy-j View Post
    If you look at the commas, what it is saying is "of the emperor Francois Joseph and the emperess Sissi of Austriche-Hongre". Kind of like "of the King and the Queen of England". Nice try though. NOT FAKE.
    Critical thinking. I like it. Shit still don't smell right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsetspawn View Post
    And the other question is: what is the US government hiding at area 51?
    Marilyn Monroe, JFK and a HUGE stash of the original Tabarome.
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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    It appears to be genuine to me. I have several boxes from Creed, yes I keep the boxes, and some of them had Arabic writing but are authentic. Additionally, fragrancenet and many other retailers ad cellophane to the boxes in order to preserve them new. I would not worry about your box.

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    There have been numerous spelling and grammatical mistakes over the years in creeds shoddy packaging. I pointed one out to the official distributor 5 or 6 years ago and he confirmed that all boxes in his warehouse had it.
    Nothing to worry about.

    Your bottle could be very old and poorly stored?

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    If they were to fake a bunch of RDs, they should be on the market somewhere in fairly large amounts, because they aren't going to have a lot of buyers for it !

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    I was hoping it was fake because I was going to traipse on down the the Neiman Marcus in the ghetto (New York is stupid, don't ask) and grab me a real one. Buy now everyone has confirmed the horrid reality that I cannot get a good bottle of Royal Delight, PERIOD.

    woe is me

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    Send it back to fragrance net saying the juice has gone bad

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsetspawn View Post
    ... in order to spot a fake you have to be freaking Colombo
    Colombo is your reference point for detectives in 2012?

    The only way to be sure is to break your bottle in half. If you see an engraved image of Olivier Creed's thumb at the bottom giving you the "thumbs up" sign, it was real.

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    I'm pretty sure Royal Delight is at the bottom of the list of Creed frags to fake. There's more money to be made with Green Frich Tweed, Silver Montana Water, or Original Santana.
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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    I've read every post in this thread three times now to make sure I didn't miss anything. I have not seen a single mention of two of the most obvious questions to be asked. Do the lot numbers on the box and bottle match? Is the lot number a verifiable Creed lot number? These questions are all over countless "is my Creed fake?" threads. Seems to me this is something to be checked immediately if you suspect any problems. I own several authentic Creeds bought online from a trusted source a few years ago and a couple do have the so called grammatical error on the box. The only one that didn't have a lot number on it was a one ounce bottle of Green Valley. It smelled the same as a later bottle I bought that did have a number. I wasn't too worried about a one ounce fake to begin with. In this case everything in this thread seems to indicate that it's authentic, so check the numbers and post the results. Then we should know for sure.

    I just read for a fourth time and I see you say it seems to have a number scraped off the bottle. I have heard of some grey market sellers doing this with authentic bottles because they aren't authorized dealers.
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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Quote Originally Posted by hirch_duckfinder View Post
    Send it back to fragrance net saying the juice has gone bad
    Words of wisdom, Hirch.

    Also, I think we can all agree that buying from a non-authorized dealer and saving a few bucks is never worth the hassle and worry involved (ie. wondering if it's fake, if it's gone bad, if it's old stock, etc). Just buy from an authentic source next time.

    I got a bad bottle from an online source once and I'll never bother buying Creeds online again.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    OP, I can take more, detailed, pictures if you'd like. I have the OS out of the cellophane.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    My MI and Himalaya bottles have the text as shown in the first image and they are authentic.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsetspawn View Post

    And the other question is: what is the US government hiding at area 51?
    The world's biggest factory for forging CREED of course.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Quote Originally Posted by 1280adam View Post
    OP, I can take more, detailed, pictures if you'd like. I have the OS out of the cellophane.
    No thank you, good sir. It was just the top that I felt was absolutely identical to my box, down to the font used, and I suspected that there was a grammatical error. I'm still suspicious about it and may contact a French ex (oh dear God and Jesus no) whom could absolutely help, but even then I wouldn't be positive.

    Also, there is NO lot # on the box AND the lot # on the bottle just seems wrong. It's barely legible and the first characters might be "F," which, as we all know, would not be correct for an actual Creed. Also, I have a genuine Original Vetiver and the lot # is ENGRAVED. Good luck getting that thing filed off without annihilating the bottle's appearance. And another thing, the lot # is not on the bottom lip, but just above it and to the right. That also doesn't agree with what my OV tells me.

    Okay, I don't really want to waste any more of you good peoples' time with this. I'll tell you what. One day this week I'll pop in to Neiman's on the home and do some smelling. My nose will know the answer. If what there I smell resembles what purchased, then I will capitulate and declare myself an ass. However, if what I smell resembles my old Perfumed Court sample then I shall buy a bottle and come back to the thread to do the "I told you so" dance.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    There is always one such thread on the first page of Male Fragrances.

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    Default Re: pleaz halp - CREED fakes are getting BRILLIANT

    Even if they could duplicate the bottles and boxes perfectly (which they can't), they would still have to make the fragrance smell similar which they can't. They're too cheap to put an actual designer fragrance such as Cool Water in a GIT bottle.
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