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    Hi all - well I am quite new here and I am very, very excited to have stumbled upon this forum, to be honest I think its so great to have people discussing perfumes, and its quite intriguing really. I never really thought of perfume in the sense of being a hobby per se, to the extent that people discuss it in depth. I have learned so much from you all and the threads here already - its amazing!

    I am a lover of Middle East perfume - of course I wear the conventional European as well, but I dont love it as much as Middle Eastern perfume/oils and I guess my interest in that lead me to this forum. It would be interesting to know (and learn) about others' views on different types of perfume, away from the conventional. What I have learned here so far, is that scents that have Amber, Sandlewood, Musk and some other oils are seen as 'run of the mill' and quite common although in my opinion, I cannot get enough of these, especially sandlewood, so I would not mind trying out new scents that have sandlewood in them. Would you not consider perfumes that have a sandlewood in them, completely?

    Middle Eastern perfume oil hasn't really penetrated the European cosmetics/perfume markets, except maybe in certain communities, so it would be interesting to learn from people who usually do not wear Middle Eastern scents, what it is that attracts it to you? If you have never tried an Arabian scent, would you try it, and why? What would you look for in them? How much would you pay for them, in comparison to the usual European one's, considering they usually come in 3-6-12ml's?

    Oudh is quite strong and I personally like it in Mukhallats (mixes) but I always like to have the sandlewood in my base, or somewhere there, along with a bit of difference....

    There are some scents from the Middle East that I own, which do not smell Arabian at all to my nose and that one is Rania, by Rasasi.

    I would personally spend more on Arabian perfume oils, then the European one's simply for the quality and its concentration and the fact that it lasts a bit longer then what we get in Europe. What do you think? Would be interesting to learn from perfume enthusiasts, their opinions on Arabian perfumes!

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    Hi & welcome to basenotes, & thanks for a great introduction!

    l personally love amber & sandalwood notes, & l know a great many others here do as well. There have been a vast number of threads devoted to these notes alone.

    l haven't tried any Arabian oils, & l haven't really done any research into them, so l don't know what kind of prices it would be reasonable to expect. They do sound intriguing, but l generally prefer fragrances that l can spray, because they tend to project better. l am also not fond of oudh as a note.

    Ambers l would recommend are;
    Amber Absolute by Tom Ford
    Ambra Aurea by Profumum
    Versilia Vintage Ambra Mediterranea by Profumi del Forte.

    My favourite sandalwood- by far- is Samsara by Guerlain!
    "What is this secret connection between the soul, and sea, clouds and perfumes? The soul itself appears to be sea, cloud and perfume..." - from Zorba the Greek by Nikos Kazantzakis.

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    Great thread and lovely nickname by the way.

    In regards to your comment about amber ,musk and sandalwood being "run of the mill".
    I think this is meant when certain perfumes perfumes have a generic feel. The dry down is a tedious unimaginative and conservative blend of the holy trinity.

    Otherwise I love amber perfumes, musk perfumes and especially sandalwood perfumes

    For sandalwood id reccomend :

    Czeck & Speake - No.88 - a third geranium, a third rose and a third sandalwood. Phenomenal.

    N'Aimez Que Mois - Carin - partial rose and partial sandalwood. Divine.

    Santal Noble - Maitre Pefumeur et Gantier - Regal.

    Cajdmere - Parfumerie Generale - comforting.

    Santal Mysore - Serge Lutens - Unrelenting.

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    Hi - and thanks so much

    Oh you HAVE to try the Arabian perfumes! I know what you mean about the Oudh, I personally also find them very strong to say the least on their own, but I think when blended, with other oils (such as Sandlewood!) it can turn down the overpowering 'Oudhy' note, but not too much, otherwise you are left without that traditional Arabian 'scent' that many love. I think there has to be a right balance - the mix has to be done right in order to bring out the beauty of Oudh.

    Samsara I have tried - its great and I too love it and I will certainly be trying out the one's that you have suggested!

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    Thank you so much - and you have been quite helpful to me so far!

    I guess I know what you mean about the holy trinity concept in European perfume at least - but I certainly think that when the the 'holy trinity' is matched with certain oudh and maybe some other oils such as saffron etc, it can really be an interesting twist!

    Ill certainly be on the look out for what you suggested - I love to wear Sandlewood before I go to bed, I don't know what it is, but maybe the warmth of the bed or change in body temperature or something, makes the scent very soothing to fall asleep in!

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    Hello, ArabianSaffron -

    I, too, love (almost) all things sandalwood. I buy Amber Phitna
    (sandal paste) and wear it straight out of the jar.

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    Hi, ArabianSaffron, thanks for opening this thread! I tend to like fragrances with the Arabian touch (at least to my imagination ), and I feel curious about real Middle-East oils. Unfortunately I don't know where to start looking so if you can I'd very much appreciate some indications from you. Amber, sandalwood, incense.. are for me , but I think I need a touch of rose to them.

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    Saffron, welcome! You will find many on this site who know Middle Eastern oils well. One can buy these in the souks all over the Middle East.

    No wonder the West's greatest fragrances are inspired by Asia and the Middle East (even if they don't use Eastern ingredients): Mitsouko, Shalimar, Samsara.
    "No sweet perfume ever tortured me more than this." Desert Rose by Sting and Cheb Mami, Album 1999.

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    Really? Wow, I have seen this Amber Phitna product before, but from pictures I have seen of it, it looked quite think - how do you wear the paste? Is it like a perfumed body lotion? The only trouble this is, is that I am worried that my love of Sandlewood is gonna dye out, if I over do it - so I always try to keep it in moderation lol

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    I personally think rose and sandlewood is a lovely combination! And I certainly think you should try out maybe some of the 'lighter' Arabian scents, as some can be quite overwhelming. Arabian Oudh has stores around Europe, they certainly have one in London and I think at the moment that would probably be your best bet!

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    Thank you

    Completely agree, the fragrance treasures found in souqs can be amazing

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    I just wanted to welcome you to Basenotes ArabianSaffron !
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    Default Re: A forum of perfume lovers! Non conventional perfumes

    Quote Originally Posted by ArabianSaffron View Post
    Really? Wow, I have seen this Amber Phitna product before, but from pictures I have seen of it, it looked quite think - how do you wear the paste? Is it like a perfumed body lotion? The only trouble this is, is that I am worried that my love of Sandlewood is gonna dye out, if I over do it - so I always try to keep it in moderation lol
    I bought it in a small 10gm glass jar. It is a solid paste and I just rub it on the skin as you would an ointment. It is getting harder to find these days (at least for me!). Also, it is a little strong - I don't think it would be for everyone.

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    Ahhhhh thanks, thats so sweet!

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    Sounds interesting, I should keep my eye out open for it

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    Welcome to Basenotes, I hope you'll stay and have a lot of fun here!

    Do you know that if you use the "Reply with quote" button under someone's post then you can quote them? This way we would know to which posts your replies are referring to. Lecture over.

    I agree with you insofar that amber, musc and sandalwood are widely used ingredients. However, there are plenty of outstanding fragrances composed around these notes, so I wouldn't call them "run off the mill". Have you tried for instance these muscs: Musc Ravageur, Musc Koublai Khan, Clair de Musc, Mona di Orio Musc? All different and all wonderful (or at least unusual - thinking of MKK). The same goes for amber. What do you think of Blue Amber, Sacrebleu, Mona di Orio Ambre, Sublime, Histoire d'Eau, Ambre Rousse, Ambre Sultan, OJ Tolu, Balmain Ambregris just to name a few?

    If you're looking for sandalwood scents, you may take a look at 10 Corso Como, LV Sandalo, Etro Sandalo, KM Bois de Santal and of course all the ones recommended by the others.

    My experience with arabian type oils is very limited, I have only tried two Amouage attars. None of them spoke to me though.

    On another note, I dislike wearing perfume oils in general, I find that alcohol-based dilutions project much better and leave much less of a sticky mess on my skin. I also find that alcohol and spritzing gives a scent a spark while oils seem to be somehow forced to stay "close to the ground" and often have a darker mood. I hope I made sense ...

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    Welcome to Basenotes, ArabianSaffron.

    Like bonsai, I do not do oils. However, check Montale, Serge Lutens and Amouage fragrances from a reputable seller in the UK, many of them would have that Arabian touch you are looking for.

    Everybody is nice here, on BN, except for what I am going to say: please check how other people spell the word "sandalwood" -- it might help you in your Google search of the nearest stockist, perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonsai View Post
    Welcome to Basenotes, I hope you'll stay and have a lot of fun here!

    Do you know that if you use the "Reply with quote" button under someone's post then you can quote them? This way we would know to which posts your replies are referring to. Lecture over.
    Hahaha! Yes, I am sorry! I noticed that afterwards so sorry for being annoying.
    I agree with you insofar that amber, musc and sandalwood are widely used ingredients. However, there are plenty of outstanding fragrances composed around these notes, so I wouldn't call them "run off the mill". Have you tried for instance these muscs: Musc Ravageur, Musc Koublai Khan, Clair de Musc, Mona di Orio Musc? All different and all wonderful (or at least unusual - thinking of MKK). The same goes for amber. What do you think of Blue Amber, Sacrebleu, Mona di Orio Ambre, Sublime, Histoire d'Eau, Ambre Rousse, Ambre Sultan, OJ Tolu, Balmain Ambregris just to name a few?
    I totally agree with you! The fact these these are "run of the mill" is the impression that I got on this forum from other threads/posts and I also think that when combined with other notes, as you mentioned they can be completely refreshed. The Mona Di Orio you mentioned is one of my favs! I've tried all the one's you mentioned!

    If you're looking for sandalwood scents, you may take a look at 10 Corso Como, LV Sandalo, Etro Sandalo, KM Bois de Santal and of course all the ones recommended by the others.
    Ive tried them, apart from LV Sandalo - deffo gonna give that a shot!

    My experience with arabian type oils is very limited, I have only tried two Amouage attars. None of them spoke to me though.

    On another note, I dislike wearing perfume oils in general, I find that alcohol-based dilutions project much better and leave much less of a sticky mess on my skin. I also find that alcohol and spritzing gives a scent a spark while oils seem to be somehow forced to stay "close to the ground" and often have a darker mood. I hope I made sense ...
    I know what you mean about the alcohol - the only I have with the alcohol, is that for me its very pronounced and it overshadows the notes. Maybe its because I do not drink alcohol, but that 'pooof in your face' that I get when I spray myself with perfume can get overwhelming, but sometimes it's worth it depending on the perfume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolf View Post

    Everybody is nice here, on BN, except for what I am going to say: please check how other people spell the word "sandalwood" -- it might help you in your Google search of the nearest stockist, perhaps.
    Yes, I keep doing that - so sorry! And thanks so much for the suggestions

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    So glad you are not taking offence -- not to be mean or confrontational. Thank YOU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolf View Post
    So glad you are not taking offence -- not to be mean or confrontational. Thank YOU!
    I've had worse things happen to me - I think ill survive!

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    I am no expert on Arabian perfumes, but one of my favorites is Montale Black Aoud. Welcome to the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArabianSaffron View Post
    The only trouble this is, is that I am worried that my love of Sandlewood is gonna dye out
    Hello, and don't worry, I'm sure a sandalwood love can never die. It is a true and everlasting sort of love. We all used to wear it in the late 70's. How I wish we had known then how scarce it was to become.

    I am learning about Arabic perfumery at the moment and so far I am loving what I have smelled although some of it can be quite a challenge on the strength. I saw there was a shop specialising in them somewhere near Oxford Street. I shall make a special perfumers trip to London one day if I can make a me space.

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    you could try ambre sublime by stendhal its amazing x
    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    Hello, and don't worry, I'm sure a sandalwood love can never die. It is a true and everlasting sort of love. We all used to wear it in the late 70's. How I wish we had known then how scarce it was to become.

    I am learning about Arabic perfumery at the moment and so far I am loving what I have smelled although some of it can be quite a challenge on the strength. I saw there was a shop specialising in them somewhere near Oxford Street. I shall make a special perfumers trip to London one day if I can make a me space.

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