Code of Conduct
Results 1 to 32 of 32
  1. #1
    Super Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Cape Town
    Posts
    165
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Perhaps this has been asked before but I'll ask it again - Is there any particular reason why so many scents for her are EDPs and most scents for him are EDTs?

    I ask because I like scents which last and project big time (I feel these are worth my money) and generally EDPs do this better then EDTs. I know certain EDTs out perform EDPs.

    I just hate that every 2nd female fragrance I see is a EDP and when buying for myself it's mostly EDT.

  2. #2
    Dependent tonghpafu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,295
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    You just aren't looking hard enough

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    8,569
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    I suppose it's simply because socially it is considered acceptable for a woman to project a lot and be perfumey, but less so for a man.

    cacio

  4. #4
    Basenotes Junkie rbaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    950
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    I suppose it's simply because socially it is considered acceptable for a woman to project a lot and be perfumey, but less so for a man.

    cacio

    That is a likely reason.

  5. #5

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Go niche or Arabian.

    My Montales, Le Labos, Creeds and my sole Dior Couturier (Leather Oud) last for well over 10 hours each (and project a mile).
    Even VIW which, by its very nature shouldn't last long, lasts the whole day.

    So do my Al-Rehabs, Surratis, and Ajmals. Attars seem to have serious legs to them. Most of them last for days with just a few swipes.

    Of course, there are lots of designer frags (including, as you said, some EDTs) that last all day and then some.
    Egoiste, Terre d'Hermes (both EDT and Parfum), Mugler Cologne, LIDGE, Caron 3rd Man/Yatagan/PUH, and Acteur by Azzaro are the standouts from my collection.

    There are some fragrances that just last and last - it's just a matter of whether or not you like them.

  6. #6

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quality is there if you look for it.

  7. #7

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    King Musk, a drugstore cheapie, lasts 15 hours easily. Longevity does not equal quality.
    ***For sale:

    Iris Pallida 50ml

    Ungaro I 75ml

    and more!
    - http://www.basenotes.net/threads/301...n-Man-and-more

  8. #8
    Cartoonish Royalty Le Grand Duc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Copenhagen
    Posts
    7,146
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Female perfumes are generally more expensive than ours.
    Ladies are willing to spent a lot more on a perfume, so
    of course they also get the best quality.
    Even though some EdTs last longer than some EdPs,
    it's still more expensive to produce most EdPs thus the
    higher retail price. That's just MHO anyway!

    Most men are too cheap!

    But don't get too hung up on concentrations. Try 'em all!

  9. #9
    Basenotes Junkie FullCollapse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Dallas, Tx.
    Posts
    672
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Almost everything in my wardrobe whether it is an EDT or EDP lasts at least 6-8 hrs on me(and I have dry skin). Quality depends more on the fragrances ingredients than its concentration. I have a couple EDC's that outlast most EDT's and a couple EDT's that outlast most EDP's. You must find the DIAMONDS in the ROUGH which offer the perfect combination of exquisite scent, projection, and longevity. Like SculptureOfSoul said: Longevity does not equal quality.

  10. #10
    Super Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    372
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    I suppose it's simply because socially it is considered acceptable for a woman to project a lot and be perfumey, but less so for a man.

    cacio
    I agree with this.

    In Jean Claude Ellena's book, The Alchemy of Scent, he touched on concentrations (EdC, EdT, EdP, extrait) and said that concentrations were not merely a matter of how much oil present in alcohol, but also on the use/style of the perfume. So, traditionally, men used EdCs and EdTs rather than EdPs and extraits, since these are used different contexts. If I am not wrong, EdPs and extraits are for more intimate settings/purposes.

    Also, regarding projection, EdTs are actually more often considered to project better than EdPs; this has apparently something to do with the use of alcohol as carrier. EdPs thus project better than extraits; and alcohol-based perfumes project better than oils.

  11. #11
    Dependent mesaboogie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Los Anchorage, AK
    Posts
    2,928
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Don't let perfume strength concentrations fool you. I'll pit my Lapidus Pour Homme, Joop!, 1 Million, and 24 the Fragrance Gold EDTs against any EDP. Hell, Abercromibe Fierce and Woods are EDC's and they are stronger than your average EDT. On the flip side, Creed SMW and MI are EDPs and they have the strength and lasting power of an EDC, bordering on aftershave. Hell, Pinaud Clubman aftershave wipes the floor with some of the EDTs on the market. See what I mean? Don't worry about concentration brotato. Just wear what smells good and gets you laid.
    "I am a robot and I like cheese"

    Top 5:
    1. Axe Kilo
    2. Lectric Shave
    3. Vicks Vapor Rub
    4. Febreze Pour Homme
    5. Preferred Stock

  12. #12
    Overcome By Fumes
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Tacoma, WA
    Posts
    3,127
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    First of all, there is no fragrance out there that you can't wear, not one, so stop your whining. If you want to wear Angel EdP because it is a beautiful fragrance and lasts a long time and is EdP strength, nobody is stopping you...except you.

    Second, although under some circumstances EdP is more concentrated than EdT, some fragrance makers are reluctant to put Eau de Parfum on a fragrance marketed to men because some men are afraid to wear anything with the tag "perfume" or "parfum" on it because they think it means it is girly. So just because it says EdT or Cologne, that doesn't mean it isn't strong or doesn't last.

    Third, all of this titling is just marketing. Why let yourself get caught up in the hype at all? Just wear whatever you like, and ignore the lettering on the box and bottle altogether.

  13. #13
    noggs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Dhahran
    Posts
    4,694
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Just bite the bullet and wear womens' frags. Most of them are better (quality-wise, not only longevity-wise) than most mens' frags.

  14. #14
    Cartoonish Royalty Le Grand Duc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Copenhagen
    Posts
    7,146
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Just bite the bullet and wear womens' frags. Most of them are better (quality-wise, not only longevity-wise) than most mens' frags.
    Amen, brother, amen!

  15. #15

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Just bite the bullet and wear womens' frags. Most of them are better (quality-wise, not only longevity-wise) than most mens' frags.
    Agree

  16. #16
    Rüssel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    6,131
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Was wondering too the other day when wearing Rochas Femme. So strong and lovely (and an EDT, I think).

  17. #17

    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    England
    Posts
    2,128
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    I suppose it's simply because socially it is considered acceptable for a woman to project a lot and be perfumey, but less so for a man.
    Not sure. This is only my own experience, but about 90 percent of the time if I smell huge fragrance projection, it's coming from a man.

    For me the more interesting question isn't about women having more EdPs than men; I don't believe that an EdP is automatically better quality than an EdT. The more important point to me is why women's fragrances in general are more varied and smell better. Turin and Sanchez covered this in their book. I don't know if that situation will ever improve, but in the meantime I wholeheartedly support any man who moves to the other side of the perfume department.

  18. #18
    Rüssel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    6,131
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Women generally have more freedom when it comes to fashion/make up/jewellery, etc. The rules as to what is generally acceptable for grown men are much stricter.

  19. #19

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Just bite the bullet and wear womens' frags. Most of them are better (quality-wise, not only longevity-wise) than most mens' frags.
    lol - Suddenly everyone is making a pretty big leap here. The OP was simply asking why women's fragrances were more often of a stronger concentration. Now suddenly people are telling him he should just start smelling like a woman and stop fighting it. That's like telling a guy he should start wearing women's blouses because he is left-handed. His complaint wasn't about he wasn't smelling feminine enough, but that it wasn't lasting long enough.

    Anyway, the trend I notice is that more and more men's fragrances are becoming stronger. Years ago most men's fragrances were EdC (Here in the US, men call everything "Cologne", regardless of strength). Now EdT is the norm. It looks like EDPs are trend they are going. Many if not most high-end fragrances now are very long lasting (regardless of the concentration). With further enhancement to synthetics in the future, I will bet even the softest citrus fragrance will last 12 hours (someday)...
    Seasonal favorites:

    1. Creed - Spice & Wood
    2. Creed - Aventus
    3. Brückner - Aoud 1
    4. Armani Privé - Oud Royal
    5. by Kilian - Incense Oud
    6. Dior - Vetiver
    7. Les Nez - Turtle Vetiver Back
    8. Neela Vermeire - Trayee
    9. Amouage - Jubilation XXV
    10. Creed - Royal English Leather

  20. #20
    Dependent starshipvelcro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Ohio somewhere
    Posts
    2,473
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    I believe it's due to the marketing and ridiculous generalization that has become accepted that perfume is for women and cologne is for men (hell I still get caught up in it sometimes)

    Women don't get more quality, though if you're speaking about designer brands they do seem to mostly be higher concentration.

    If you look around at the real quality stuff then you'll see that gender doesn't really matter, and that concentration isn't discriminatory.

  21. #21
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    4,476
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    There are plenty of great male fragrances out there. I have no problem with it.

    And I wouldn't want any of my fragrances lasting more than 8 hours because I like to wear more than one fragrance per day. And if a fragrance like le male lasts 2 says then that's far from a good thing.

  22. #22
    Renato's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    11,012
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    You base your comments on a false premise - that women's EDPs are better than male EDTs.

    I have bought hundreds of women's EDPs - only to have the women I bought them for comment that many (including those made by major houses) didn't last much more than four hours on them. From observation, most women's EDPs are on par longevity wise with male EDTs (though I think male EDTs may outdo the women's EDPs in the projection stakes).

    The reason is simple - most male EDTs have wood or leather basenotes, and these last a lot longer than the floral basenotes in women's scents. The few male EDPs I have last about 15 hours with strength, some seven hours or so more than their EDT counterparts. That said, I have EDTs that last longer than the male EDPs. And Joop Homme EDT would easily last for a week on you, if you didn't have to take showers during that time.
    Cheers,
    Renato

    P.S. As the purchaser of several hundred female scents ( and having smelled hundreds of others), I must say I've only ever come across about a dozen that I actually like. Masculine scents are much better in my opinion.

  23. #23
    Zgb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Zagreb, Croatia
    Posts
    3,099
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    I'd agree to this to an extent. Women get quality whilst men get variety.

  24. #24
    Dependent southerngardens's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Evans, Georgia
    Posts
    1,386
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    2

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    I put together a whole blog on perfume concentrations. Check it out!
    The Collectors Sale is coming soon to the Basenotes Marketplace!
    Guy Roberts' 1983-84 intro, "AMOUAGE" parfum/ FAB 3 box presentation/MINT!!!-Vintage.possibly Antique-Guerlain Eau De Hegemonienne EDC/60%full/ purchased at estate auction of a NY dept. store magnet(Mays)/authenticity guaranteed-Box sets of Belle d Opium & Dior's Dune pour femme-Eau de Gucci, Elegantly boxed drawer liners w/Gucci No3 scent + a partial bottle of Gucci No.3 as an added value combo, Tom Ford's 'White Musk'.......

  25. #25
    Super Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Cape Town
    Posts
    165
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Thanks for the wise words gents, they do actually make sense. I forgot to add that it was aimed more at designer fragrances. All I wanted to know was why more females scents and EdP and more male scents are EdT. It's not about me wanting to wear women's perfume, just wondering why so few male designer fragrances say EdP on the box. Thanks to everyone who replied. Marketing an EdP as an EdT because you're worried it's gonna seem too girly and manly men won't buy it makes a lot of sense.

  26. #26
    Dependent Partario's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Japan
    Posts
    1,648
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Just bite the bullet and wear womens' frags. Most of them are better (quality-wise, not only longevity-wise) than most mens' frags.
    This. You might be surprised how much you like them.

  27. #27

    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    Golden State North
    Posts
    430
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    In a traditional sense, society would see women as the flowers and men as the bees. Perhaps it is much easier for a woman to wear too much perfume compared to what will be tolerated for a man. In saying that I have some great designer edts in my collection that will outlast most of my high end men's niche edps. In fact, I think edp verisions of my best edts would pale in comparison judging by the tendency of edps to evolve faster into skin scents.

  28. #28
    Dependent pluran's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Rusk
    Posts
    6,526
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    In perfume, the male of the species is always smaller than the female.

    It has to do with a lot more than the concentrations.

  29. #29

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Seems like men have more of a selection. We can't always have our cake and eat it too

  30. #30
    Basenotes Plus
    Genie Jeanie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    472
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    Seems like men have more of a selection. We can't always have our cake and eat it too
    Ah, we all have everything to select from! It's all a matter of where we choose to go with our scent & whether we're pleasing ourselves or others with our choices. Run with the pack or pave your own road.

  31. #31

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Grand Duc View Post
    Female perfumes are generally more expensive than ours.
    Ladies are willing to spent a lot more on a perfume, so
    of course they also get the best quality.
    Even though some EdTs last longer than some EdPs,
    it's still more expensive to produce most EdPs thus the
    higher retail price. That's just MHO anyway!

    Most men are too cheap!

    But don't get too hung up on concentrations. Try 'em all!
    I agree with Ducky on this. I have seen some EDTs and colognes with high fragrance content.

    Sample and be the judge.
    "No sweet perfume ever tortured me more than this." Desert Rose by Sting and Cheb Mami, Album 1999.

  32. #32
    Dependent Possum-Pie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Near Gettysburg
    Posts
    1,851
    Post Thanks / Like
    Blog Entries
    15

    Default Re: Why do women get quality and we don't?

    I agree with many of the comments, when I first began my love affair with fragrances, I was obsessed with finding something that lasted longer than it took to walk out of the store where I applied it...Then I found niche...Many Montales, Bond no. 9's Mona d'Orios, etc last a long time and are marketed as "unisex" I still haven't really decided what mens, womens, or unisex REALLY means, but like pornography, I can't define it, but I know it when I see it! (or in the case of fragrances-smell it)
    For Sale: Gengis Kahn, Mona d' Orio, Penhaligons.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 14th April 2012, 11:49 AM
  2. The ideal "quality level" to start / Price tag vs quality
    By ysmdy in forum Just Starting Out
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 1st May 2011, 12:17 PM
  3. Cologne quality over time/ quality from supplier
    By Mike357 in forum Male Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 24th August 2010, 03:03 AM
  4. Quality of ingredients vs. quality of composition.
    By hirch_duckfinder in forum Male Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 10th June 2008, 07:25 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •