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    Default Help with my musk project please

    Okay, so Ive been working on this for some time now. Been trying not to replicate , but approximate the scent profile/ feeling of real musk deer . I have a tincture of it and it is amazing stuff. Ive been able , to my nose, to finally put together something that Im satisfied with. But it is missing one little note....that "grapey" note that is present all the way through, save the drydown, in my tincture of the real stuff. There it gives way to the faint spicy/urinaceous/sweaty skin vibe. Any suggestions on what materials could produce that grapiness? Thanks in advance.
    Zanshin

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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    Methyl Anthranilate or Dimethyl Anthranilate?

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    Thank you for your reply. Dont know how I scrolled past that one. Thanks again.
    Zanshin

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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    I'm not sure about the synthetics, but perhaps a tiny touch of davana oil.
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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    The Methyl Anthranilate can be found in Champaca at 5.15%

    Name %
    Heptanal 17.07 <---- fruit bomb effect though.
    Methyl linoleate 14.18
    Indole 7.20
    Methyl anthranilate 5.15
    etc etc

    I was thinking Champaca with the mention of "grapey" and pkiler confirmed it. Have a sneaking suspicion Heptanal will kill it though.

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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    ambrettolide

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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    Quote Originally Posted by FragranceChem View Post
    ambrettolide
    Already present, not the prime player but its in there.
    Zanshin

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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    Some of the violet materials have berry nuances to them like methyl ionone. Or orris concrete/absolute if that's at your disposal. black currant absolute could definitely work: it's got a very urine, sulfur, animalic odor but on dilution is much more cassis like. Firmenich's cassis base could also be useful.

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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Methyl Anthranilate or Dimethyl Anthranilate?
    Methyl Anthranilate on its way.
    Zanshin

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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    So mstrocovie, You seem to have experience...
    but just a small reminder that the Methyl Anthranilate will react with aldehydes to form a chemical reaction/new item on your list of ingredients, basically forming a Schiff base, in the molecular weight proportions of your aldehyde portion with the corresponding molecular weight proportion of the Methyl Anthranilate.

    Of course depending upon the aldehyde of course, but this reaction most often produces an orange flower type of odor. Yes, it will happen at room temp, over the course of time, even several months. If you are purposely trying to make a Schiff base, at room temp say, mixing ME and and aldehyde straight at the proportion of their molecular weights, the chemical reaction will probably be visible, with clouding and then clearing, and may even generate heat. so sometimes, care must be taken in this chemical interaction for it not to be damaging/volatile itself, depending on the chems used, and the amount made....

    Paul Kiler
    PK Perfumes
    www.PKPERFUMES.com


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    Default Re: Help with my musk project please

    On the grand scale of things, not that much experience Paul. Certainly not with the chems. Thank you for the heads up.
    Last edited by mstrocovie; 19th January 2013 at 08:35 PM. Reason: doublepost
    Zanshin

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