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    Default Ambrette seed oil supplier

    Hello basenoters,

    It may sound a silly question, but I cannot really sort this: I need some ambrette seed oil and wasn't able to find a supplier. Any tips on a vendor in Europe - UK would be preferable?

    Thanks!

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    I don't know, but I thought someone should answer you. I got my ambrette seed oil from America--Eden Botanicals. I first tried it, undiluted, one drop on cotton wool last night. I think it's horrible. Nutty, as in peanuts, and a horrible odour perhaps like foot odour. At length, a weak soapy smell, which I suppose is the musk, but the foot odour persists. I am curious what you're planning to do with it? Ambrettolide, on the other hand, is apparently quite pleasant.

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    I don't know about Europe, but I recently purchased some ambrette seed oil from White Lotus. The fragrance is very strong. Having never smelled real musk from musk deer pods or civet, I cannot make a fair comparison. It certainly reminds me of fragrances that are based on musk, or at least make that claim (such as Jovan Musk Oil from the 1970's). I think a little will go long way which is good because it's expensive. Unfortunately White Lotus requires a $100 minimum order, however, I am satisfied with all that I ordered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alysoun View Post
    I don't know, but I thought someone should answer you. I got my ambrette seed oil from America--Eden Botanicals. I first tried it, undiluted, one drop on cotton wool last night. I think it's horrible. Nutty, as in peanuts, and a horrible odour perhaps like foot odour. At length, a weak soapy smell, which I suppose is the musk, but the foot odour persists. I am curious what you're planning to do with it? Ambrettolide, on the other hand, is apparently quite pleasant.
    Thanks. Very simply, I need it because I was given a sort of exercise (I am taking my first steps in blending fragrances) that includes using ambrette, along with other oils

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    I'm afraid the sources I know either ascribe magical properties to it (which suggests to me that they can't be trusted) or only sell by the Kg (which is a lot of such an expensive material). I would recommend carrying out the exercise using ambrettolide instead, unless there is some particular reason to use this difficult and expensive material.
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    Thanks all,

    Yes, I think I'll go for ambrettolide, although I couldn't find a supplier in Europe. Is ethylene brassilate, which seems easier to get hold of, a valid substitute?

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    Ethylene brassylate isn't really a substitute as it behaves rather differently. Exaltolide is perhaps closer but really each musk is unique even though the odour profile is quite similar. I would suggest velvione as an alternative, but I don't think that's any easier to obtain than Ambrettolide . . .
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    I, too, am looking for an ambrette seed e.o. (not CO2) supplier. I was using White Lotus Aromatics, but because the quality isn't what it once was, I have stopped using them. Any recommendations? I don't like the CO2 from Eden.
    Last edited by James Peterson; 15th August 2014 at 06:35 PM.

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    Unfortunately the quality of the ambrette seed oil from White Lotus isn't what it once was--the aroma is hardly perceptible--so I've stopped using them. (They're also very unpleasant and difficult to work with.)

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    I think hermitage oils has ambrette seed oil!

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    Hello I just want to chime in here if I may.

    I don't know WL at all personally but the CO2 is odds on from one source regardless now if its WL, EB or even Hermi. The CO2 was my first experience and I admit I was in the grand scheme of things underwhelmed, its a select yet has a total extract appearance and you really have to be up close and personal to get the smell, so I was baffled by all the hype I heard about this regardless of its modifying qualities. The problem now is there is a worldwide shortage of this stuff - I know as a really big flavours company was so desperate they where trying to buy my stock - yes totally true. Once it is available though I intend to offer the Ambrette Liquid from Rtet and also bring in the absolute from another Grasse based business. And I will keep the price really keen and make sure Hermi USA offers it. Finally James Peterson, its a difficult one, in their shoes and said with experience those charge backs are a nightmare for a seller - I had it done once to me and it causes so many headaches. That said you showed the seller the courtesy with your emails - I never even got that! and the buyer got the parcel - it just took a little bit longer to arrive. Personally I would keep away from the CO2, ours included and if you are wanting it then buy it in the smallest size regardless who you buy from.

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    The SCO2 of Ambrette seed is much different than the EO, which shouldn't be a surprise, considering that the SCO2 process will have the extract include all sorts of botanical components that the distillation will not recover. I was amazed to find the difference to be so dramatic after receiving a purchase of the EO from WLA a while back (not sure if this is the same as they offer currently). At first I wondered if it was doctored up a bit, but then reading Arctander's mongraph on the oil, it is mentioned that the EO of Ambrette Oil is one of the few EO's that can be considered as a complete perfume As Is. It is, as mentioned in a post above, to be much like the Jovan Musk of the 1970's.

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