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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol invictus View Post
    Would you agree with the following statement:

    "People who want their frags to smell nice lean towards designer scents; people who want their frags to smell interesting lean towards niche".
    Not exactly, but there is more variety within the niche market and the niche market is where you're going to find the real oddball scents or very specific scents. At the same time there's plenty of "nice" frags within niche as well. So I think you can say that people looking for unusual scents or very unique ones will lean toward niche. But when I just want to smell nice I look at both. I may start with designer for the simple fact that its cheaper, but not because its more likely to have frags that smell "nice."

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    I will admit I do try to buy niche when I can for the "rare" factor, but I want to smell good no matter designer or niche. Yes niche does in my opinon, push the envelope when it comes to more exotic smells, but there is really no limits when it comes to what niche houses use in the development of a fragrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francolino View Post
    usually Joe Blow wears his body odours proudly!
    Saving the money some of us spent on niche perfumes that smell like sweaty reproductive glands?

    Maybe they're on to something lol

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    Ha ha ha. No. Not even a little tiny bit. I think that's along the lines of dismissing any art that doesn't have a recognisable figurative subject in a popular style as "not attractive", and saying that people who buy Thomas Kinkade or Robert Bateman want art that looks "nice" and people who buy Julie Mehretu want art that looks "interesting".

    The most significant thing about actual niche perfumers, to me, is not expense or exclusivity, but the fact that they are not so confined by the demands of shareholders and marketplace, and thereby restricted to what is popular, or what does well in focus groups, or what is defined as the "global fragrance trend of the year" by (coincidentally!) the companies that make the artificial esters used in fragrance. A genuinely niche company or independent perfumer has the liberty to follow her or his own instincts and tastes, and to play with combinations that may not be sanctioned by tradition or fashion. And sure, sometimes that may end in a place that is more interesting than pleasant -- but just as with modern or experimental art, a lot of it will be beautiful as well, if perhaps in an unexpected way or a way that hasn't been done before.

    And then that will be appropriated by the popular market, just as modern art was and is -- to the point that you can see abstract "art" prints on the wall of your local McDonalds.

    (My opinion, of course, may be highly influenced by the fact that I don't, actually, find most popular fragrances smell nice or even pleasant to me -- indeed, I find the vast majority of them unbearable.)

    (Moreover, I think a lot of people who buy name-brand fragrances aren't even buying them because THEY think they smell nice. They buy them because of the name, or because all their friends have bought them, or because the beauty blogs they read flog them hard and they want to stay on trend, and they don't particularly think about the actual scent as long as they don't find it actively offensive. I used to do this in high school myself, trying to fit in; the trouble was that I would then find the fragrance offensive when it was in close proximity to my person.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol invictus View Post
    Would you agree with the following statement:

    "People who want their frags to smell nice lean towards designer scents; people who want their frags to smell interesting lean towards niche".
    No, because that's implying that generally niche isn't nice and designers aren't interesting.

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    There are definitely those who bash the popular "scent for the masses" only b/c "average people" like them...see the Paco Rabinne 1 Million thread for examples. AND those who follow the masses and praise whatever is popular. There are also those who Praise any piss that a popular Niche house may put out. BUT for the most part, people like/dislike based on their honest preferences. I lose respect for those who say they wouldn't wear a fragrance b/c a teenager also happens to like it. OR who praise the worst smelling most boring Creed/Tom Ford, etc. as "Wonderful!"
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    There are too many personal tastes, preferences etc., as well as too diversified fragrance houses, both niche and designer, to agree with this particular statement.

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    Possum-Pie, that's the worst reason for not respecting people I've heard in a long time - perhaps ever. Why should everybody think like you and just wear what they thinks smell good?

    We just happen to live in a social world and wearing a certain fragrance is a statement of sorts. Wearing Le Male is not a statement I want to make. Just like I wouldn't wear Ed Hardy clothes. Realizing that our decisions are not simply about "liking" something, but they carry other meanings, only help us understand ourselves better.
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    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Ludlow View Post
    Possum-Pie, that's the worst reason for not respecting people I've heard in a long time - perhaps ever. Why should everybody think like you and just wear what they thinks smell good?

    We just happen to live in a social world and wearing a certain fragrance is a statement of sorts. Wearing Le Male is not a statement I want to make. Just like I wouldn't wear Ed Hardy clothes. Realizing that our decisions are not simply about "liking" something, but they carry other meanings, only help us understand ourselves better.
    So you wear/don't wear things b/c of social pressure? I refrain from certain fragrances that don't fit an occasion, but I won't not buy something I like b/c of what people may think. I would never wear slacks and "1 Million" to meet the queen, but I also wouldn't buy a fragrance b/c it was "trendy" I would wear my tuxedo, and choose an appropriate fragrance from my collection...One that I like. I have fought phoniness all my life with people who try to impress others with big name clothes and fragrances that they don't like, but imply "money" I met a VERY famous gentleman a while back, and he was wearing "Cool Water" I have to admire his choice to wear what he likes.
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    I have more than hundred fragrances available, most of which are very unusual. I wear little amounts, to my personal enjoyment. I wouldn't say I try to please people around me.

    I just don't see myself as Le Male wearing person. I also might be kind of elitist: I don't want people to smell that on me. Not the connotation I want. I also wouldn't wear Chanel No. 5 for the same reason. It's not the statement I want to make. Maybe all this makes me phony.

    I'm just trying to understand my own motives behind my choices and I believe they are not just about what I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum-Pie View Post
    So you wear/don't wear things b/c of social pressure? I refrain from certain fragrances that don't fit an occasion, but I won't not buy something I like b/c of what people may think. I would never wear slacks and "1 Million" to meet the queen, but I also wouldn't buy a fragrance b/c it was "trendy" I would wear my tuxedo, and choose an appropriate fragrance from my collection...One that I like. I have fought phoniness all my life with people who try to impress others with big name clothes and fragrances that they don't like, but imply "money" I met a VERY famous gentleman a while back, and he was wearing "Cool Water" I have to admire his choice to wear what he likes.
    Maybe he was wearing Green Irish Tweed

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    I disagree. I'm on a fixed income and can't afford FB of some "niche" frags. Thank God there's that's why splits an samples were created . I find that "interesting" doesn't mean I don't care for the scent. Sample,sample, and then sample again.
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    In general, I agree but there are exceptions but I agree.

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    I disagree. I’m on a fixed income and can’t afford some FB “niche” scents I’ve tried through samples and decants. That’s why God created samples and decants. “Interesting” to me can be either I like it or don’t. Sample,sample, and then sample some more. Then again I just had my psyche meds adjusted yesterday.

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    Depends upon the assumptions made behind the terms used...
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    Default Re: Do you agree with this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol invictus View Post
    Would you agree with the following statement:

    "People who want their frags to smell nice lean towards designer scents; people who want their frags to smell interesting lean towards niche".
    Since when is "nice" in opposition to "interesting"? How about this breakdown instead?

    People who want to be interesting for the sake of being interesting, put less value on aesthetics than they do on how others perceive them. On the other hand, those who appreciate beauty wherever they find it, even in the unlikeliest of places, will be able to find nice things where others don't bother to look.
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    sorry repost
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Depends upon the assumptions made behind the terms used...
    I think this is really the key to understanding the OP's statement, and how the question is to be interpreted.

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    No. Absolutely not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeonGrey View Post
    Since when is "nice" in opposition to "interesting"? How about this breakdown instead?

    People who want to be interesting for the sake of being interesting, put less value on aesthetics than they do on how others perceive them. On the other hand, those who appreciate beauty wherever they find it, even in the unlikeliest of places, will be able to find nice things where others don't bother to look.
    I don't think this applies to fragrances. So called interesting fragrances are usually very personal thing. I've come to find that wearing fragrances that basenoters would find "interesting" are usually perceived as incomprihensible by most people. Kind of like some atonal art music to an uneducated ear.

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    O yea

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    I disagree. I think people who are curious and open-minded smell anything from niche to designer to vintage...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Ludlow View Post
    I don't think this applies to fragrances. So called interesting fragrances are usually very personal thing. I've come to find that wearing fragrances that basenoters would find "interesting" are usually perceived as incomprihensible by most people. Kind of like some atonal art music to an uneducated ear.
    I was thinking in terms of fragrances specifically for the sake of this thread. You lost me at "So called interesting-"
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    How about this: People who want their frags to be expensive lean toward niche.

    There are plenty of interesting designer frags, though everyone's nose/tastes are different
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol invictus View Post
    Would you agree with the following statement:

    "People who want their frags to smell nice lean towards designer scents; people who want their frags to smell interesting lean towards niche".
    One can't really agree or disagree with the statement unless it is more carefully specified, particularly
    a.......... smell nice to whom? and
    b.......... smell interesting to whom?

    If it were to smell nice to one's self and to others vs smell interesting to one's self, but of zilch interest to others, then I'd agree with the statement generally.
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    No matter what side of this 'arguement' is taken, a most provocative question. I have to admit I have no idea as to why (most) people lean toward the frags they do other than they like them personally or follow the crowd.
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    The love of fragrances for some seems to end up to becoming a race to whomever smells the most exclusively like nobody else in their vicinity. And in some cases, just add snobbery and scoffery.

    The OP statement is overall something I'd agree with. Most people adopt fragrances to "smell good". And since those are very broad terms, the criteria is pretty broad. But niche, narrows the playing field. This would be almost analogous to people that own cars to people that own cars (designer fragrances) and actually buy super sports cars (niche fragrances). And the people that go deeper into the art of perfumery and scents, well they might go the way of the bicycle, unicycle, or penny-farthing. In a way, it's all connected, it's all a form of transportation in my analogy, but the manner they get you to wherever you wish to go, but the routes are all different.



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