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    Smile hmmm is this still Sandalwood?

    Hi all, so I just received some indian sandalwood in the mail and it smells like pine needles, is this normal? I am used to getting a creamy buttery like woody smell that raptures my mind but again this stuff smells like pine needles and it is also kinda difficult to even smell it... anyways my knowledge is very limited because of my experience and I was wondering if I got jacked or if that just the way some sandalwood smells...

    Any advice on my next order of sandalwood would be appreciated too... I normally get it from new directions aromatics if someone has tried to compare... but I am looking to try something new (thus the pine needle sandalwood)

    thanks

    PS I also bought the sandalwood from a reputable dealer but still, i hope its not fake

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    At the very least, an inferior product. more probably, an adulteration of even a mislabeled bottle. Take it back.
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    Thanks pkiler!

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    True Indian Sandalwood is pretty well impossible to get now. I think you may have been sold a dud.

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    Sandalwood, like any natural, does vary from batch to batch. Genuine Indian sandalwood from Santalum album is extremely difficult to obtain now and to be honest probably better not to buy as the plants there are endangered. It certainly should not smell like pine needles.

    Personally I use Vanuatu Sandalwood from Santalum austrocaledonicum, which is grown in a sustainable way. It has been out of stock for a while at Hermitage but I believe they will shortly have some available again: I'd recommend trying that.
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    Try sampling Amouage Sandal Attar, if you can find it.
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    Thanks Chris,

    I had been studying your website before taking a chance on trying a new sandalwood for me. I was on the edge and really convinced to try the Vanuatu Sandalwood but last minute I changed my mind because I had only tried what I believed to be the mysore type of sandalwood... and felt conflicted it might be a leap to the Vanuatu... wow I wish I didnt change my mind last minute but grateful in a way to explore the range of sandalwood quality and didnt splurge on a large quantity

    live and learn thanks again for the advice... as soon as Hermitage has Sandalwood back in stock, I will order some

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    Amouage Sandal Attar looks incredible! I read the other basenote threads and found the product online... wow! would really like to smell it... The description is very interesting "The perfume is both gentle and intriguingly authoritative"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post
    Personally I use Vanuatu Sandalwood from Santalum austrocaledonicum, which is grown in a sustainable way. It has been out of stock for a while at Hermitage but I believe they will shortly have some available again: I'd recommend trying that.
    A quick update on this - I've just been talking to Adam at Hermitage and he tells me he will have the Santalum austrocaledonicum, in limited quanitities only, on the site next week. I'm planning on snapping some up while it's available . . .
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    You have been had - Indian Sandalwood is not available anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyrory View Post
    Amouage Sandal Attar looks incredible! I read the other basenote threads and found the product online... wow! would really like to smell it... The description is very interesting "The perfume is both gentle and intriguingly authoritative"
    As you are in Canada:-

    http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/s...sentialoilso-z
    http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/...urals-h-z.aspx
    http://www.edenbotanicals.com/sandalwood-rare.html

    The Amouage one is lovely quality & 12ml.
    P.M. your address if you would like a small sample of mine (free) for educational purposes - one time offer 'though as I only have about 6ml left & am selfishly keeping it all - it's just to let you test it.
    I don't have enough to share otherwise & would be selling it on ebay if that were the case!

    Where did you buy yours from? - only asking so others (probably me) don't repeat your mistake - pm if u like!
    People are cutting sub-standard oils a lot, passing off stuff as other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyrory View Post
    Amouage Sandal Attar looks incredible! I read the other basenote threads and found the product online... wow! would really like to smell it... The description is very interesting "The perfume is both gentle and intriguingly authoritative"
    As you are in Canada:-

    http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/s...sentialoilso-z
    http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/...urals-h-z.aspx
    http://www.edenbotanicals.com/sandalwood-rare.html

    The Amouage one is lovely quality & 12ml.
    P.M. your address if you would like a small sample of mine (free) for educational purposes - one time offer 'though as I only have about 6ml left & am selfishly keeping it all - it's just to let you test it.
    I don't have enough to share otherwise & would be selling it on ebay if that were the case!

    Where did you buy yours from? - only asking so others (probably me) don't repeat your mistake - pm if u like!
    People are cutting sub-standard oils a lot, passing off stuff as other stuff.

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    http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?d...755&do=discuss

    Suggest check this out - @bluemoon knows more than we ever will1

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    Perfect!! I am going to get some too!

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    Wow Ipp, That is VERY generous of you! especially when an once of Amouage Sandal Attar goes for $500 from what I saw :0)) ... sadly I think its too generous and I am truelly inspired by this scent that a perfect stranger would take the time to mail me a sample!! wow Thanks Ipp for the offer!!!

    I got it from perfumers apprentice but I emailed them about it and they say they are hosting the EO from John Steele but again my noise and experience is quite limited, that I can only compare the EO to one other brand.

    A more of a description of the product would be that the higher notes of the product are piney, then woody, and then I get a taste of slight creamyness... comparative to the other brand was a very heavy comforting woody creamyness without the pineyness...both products had poor silage, but john steele silage was noticeably much poorer. I also take into account the aromatherapy benefits of the product, and part of this analysis was a metacognitive analysis, in which between the two I felt no benefits from the john steele (which could easily be because of placebo)

    But if I didnt know any better, I would think that the two sandalwoods I had tried would be 2 different oils... And the first one I tried, I would want to drown my noise all day in the scent and I really enjoyed getting friends to smell my wrist just so I could see their pupils dilate and see them receed into themselves with slight upturned smile as if they just had the most wonderful daydream... vs this one which would be like meh just another smell.

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    www.edenbotanicals.com/sandalwood-rare.html looks very good! I was actually considering their sandalwood along with Chris's recommendation on the Santalum austrocaledonicum before I got the John Steele sandalwood.

    I will definitely order their sample pack of sandalwood or should I just dive into the rare sandalwood Ipp?

    I think I should order both Hermitage and eden botanicals sandalwood to have a complete range of sandalwoods...
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    Did you mean to say that the Sandalwood that I said to return came from PA? and John Steele?

    Hmmm... Should be pretty good stuff then...

    Kaern - Sure, EI Sandalwood, Santalum Album is indeed available, but it's not cheap either...
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    Ya, that is why I am surprised, I made sure to research quality... But again my range of sandalwood knowledge is VERY limited and it could be a matter of personal taste or I could of gotten a bad bunch like you said or the initial sandalwood I am comparing it too was very well aged. I am too inexperienced to have a true opinion

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    Thanks! - well, don't worry Rory, 'cos my Amouage sandalwood was only about £50 for 12ml!
    Not sure why - it was from Les Senteurs some years ago when Amouage single attars were pretty reasonable, also possibly before our currency collapsed! I'm perfectly happy to send some. There are still places who sell it at a reasonable price.
    The Amouage isn't strong like the sandalwood from the 1960's, but echoes it, no off notes, definitely dreamy, little sillage.

    Surprised to hear about the Steele oil - was considering ordering some based on positive comments that I'd read about his stuff.
    Maybe go for samples until you find one you like? Sri Lankan can be nice too.

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    THANKS Ipp!! I was surprised as well, oh well, I think I am going to take your advice and go for samples at eden botanicals. They have a 6 bottle sample pack. I hope my education on sandalwood ranges will be drastically increased.

    I am also going to put an order for similar accords of Amouage (from what I read)... Any advice??


    http://www.edenbotanicals.com/produc...pler-pack.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyrory View Post
    Ya, that is why I am surprised, I made sure to research quality... But again my range of sandalwood knowledge is VERY limited and it could be a matter of personal taste or I could of gotten a bad bunch like you said or the initial sandalwood I am comparing it too was very well aged. I am too inexperienced to have a true opinion
    Age makes a huge difference to the smell of even very good quality sandalwood oil. I have a sample of stuff that's well over 100 years old that smells stunning, but even my 30 year old is streets ahead of freshly made stuff.

    Sandalwood normally comes with some undesirable top-notes and these fade away as it ages - doubtless there are other changes going on too but sandalwood is one of those oils that really does improve a lot with age.
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    Just tried to reply & it logged out/seems lost.
    Trying again!
    Agree with Chris - leave the sandalwood for a few years in a dark place. Patchouli is the same.
    When you find one u like, suggest buy some before the batch sells out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyrory View Post
    THANKS Ipp!! I was surprised as well, oh well, I think I am going to take your advice and go for samples at eden botanicals. They have a 6 bottle sample pack. I hope my education on sandalwood ranges will be drastically increased.

    I am also going to put an order for similar accords of Amouage (from what I read)... Any advice??


    http://www.edenbotanicals.com/produc...pler-pack.html
    Are you aiming for a general Amouage exotic style or one in particular? I'm not up to date, but they are so varied. The attars are very different to the sprays.
    They certainly use top quality ingredients, but I don't know whether our E.E.C. regulations or just pure volume of sales/availability of ingredients have affected them recently. Just opened a new factory, so fingers firmly crossed.
    Sore subject here - I have a couple of bottles of the 'new' Homage that were left sealed for a couple of years (so not returnable) & when opened were totally so weak & unrecognisable that I am doctoring them - ended up adding some of their Silver Oud, various roses, lemon, ambergris, frankincense, jasmine, neroli....nearly there with one so far! And it's not my memory playing tricks as I still have the old stuff!

    Think that the posts are getting lost when I try to add links, so pm if u want some.

    Oud is costly, but goes a very long way. Abdul Samad Al Qurashi is a reliable house - the guys in the oud group have huge knowledge here (unlike me), but for mixing ASAQ should be fine, the Dhen al oud Cambodi/muattaq is possibly a good place to start?
    Zahra's has oud, as does the Misk Shoppe and others. Recently had an order from Zahra's & it shipped in good time. She doesn't hold stock, so may be a bit slower than someone local who does. The web site is a mine of information. There's a guy in Dubai also.

    Should you feel like an oud journey, Agar Aura & Oriscent are both very well regarded indeed.

    ASAQ are a major grower of Taifi rose, but the lower grades are not strong and probably not economic to play with - lovely to wear as is.
    Surrati do an amazing & reasonable 'Rose Taef', but given their ability to ape stuff, not 100% sure how natural it is. I adore it 'though, wear it loads, no off notes. Can't afford the Amouage Taifi one right now. Amouage ordinary 'Rose' (damask/Bulgarian) attar is very good & very calming but I personally value it too much to play with it and it is fairly subtle.
    Hermitage currently has a very nice Turkish rose absolute - possibly your best bet - Turkish absolute does not seem too easy to find?
    I read somewhere that the Bulgarians' best roses go to make Otto & the Turks' to make absolute?
    And the Afghanis are growing it instead of poppies, fingers crossed for them & us. Irani is available, maybe not very strong?

    Omani/Somali frankincense is available. Long-term you could tincture the tears yourself - I have some Hogari tincture pending!

    Not sure how helpful this is?
    I hope you enjoy the journey!
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    I've never experienced sandalwood that smelled like pine needles. I have a few ml's I purchased a few years ago that is supposedly East Indian Sandalwood (I have my doubts) that smells nothing like pine needles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbthorpe View Post
    I've never experienced sandalwood that smelled like pine needles. I have a few ml's I purchased a few years ago that is supposedly East Indian Sandalwood (I have my doubts) that smells nothing like pine needles.
    Every bottle that I own smells different, some have notes that might be considered 'piney' (or just not what was expected!) - I just leave them alone & check them occasionally if I'm looking for one to use - be interested to know what other people do?
    That's a reason to buy a supply if you find one that you personally like, assuming that you can be sure that you're buying from the same batch!

    Natural products not only vary batch to batch from one producer, but also due to manufacturing differences between producers & use of different species. And different suppliers have varying turnovers.
    A lot of wheat is grown locally here & each year the crops look different and give different yields & quality, same thing really.
    'Amyris' is sometimes bought as a substitute for sandalwood and has a very strong smell indeed to me.

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    Sandlewood in my experience has never resembled pine needles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post
    Age makes a huge difference to the smell of even very good quality sandalwood oil. I have a sample of stuff that's well over 100 years old that smells stunning, but even my 30 year old is streets ahead of freshly made stuff.

    Sandalwood normally comes with some undesirable top-notes and these fade away as it ages - doubtless there are other changes going on too but sandalwood is one of those oils that really does improve a lot with age.
    Agree with Chris. I have a 150 year old Sandalwood (manufactured by the East India Company before the Brits colonized India), and its nothing like any of the Sandalwood EO's that I've collected over the past 15 years. A company in India used to sell pure Sandalwood EO's that came very close to the real thing - Forest Essentials. Unfortunately they don't sell them anymore, and anything you get in India is probably adulterated.

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    Very helpful Ipp! I never knew about the differences in roses.. Turkish rose absolute sounds like a must buy! (and will order when I make my order from Hermitage) Is there a big range in quality of frankincense too? I am going to put in order today from Edens and now youve gotten me thinking even deeper.

    This Journey is exciting! every turn in the road is leading to new discoverys!

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    100-150 year old bottles! I am developing such a passion for just the normal store boughten sandalwood that I dont even think my mind could comprehend even a 30 year sandalwood by the sounds of it!!





    I just put in an order for two types of Frankincense after some research of the frankincense
    Amouage uses. Sadly alot of the resources say that that kind of quality of "silver" frankincense doesn't leave the middle east

    http://www.amouage.com/frankincense.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyrory View Post
    Is there a proper way to age sandalwood?
    Time: you don't need to do anything special really. Stable room temperature and not too much air contact are good, but really it's just time.
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    Vetiver and Patchouli can be aged as well. Some rumors have it that you need enough quantity to age EOs well, i.e. a few ml won't give you the same result as a kilo, over the same period of time. I don't know if that can be verified or what's the science behind it.

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    Thats very interesting and good to know when I start aging

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    It's concerning to me that you say this sandalwood came from Perfumer's Apprentice from their John Steele selection. I thought these were really good quality - their price would suggest so.
    I just checked the site and there is not much information beyond that the oil comes from India. I wonder what the story is there?

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    Maybe someone else who has bought some of this recently can chip in?

    Mr Steele's contact details are on Perfumer's Apprentice's website.

    It's probably just as Chris says - age.

    I was looking at a website (Ananda) the other day as they had some lovely Patchouli a few years ago (which is even better now) and they have clearly made the point that their Indian sandalwood is quite freshly made so they offer an option of buying it blended with Vanuatu.
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