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    Default No national nor international shipping of fragrances from July 15th 2013!

    I went to the post office today to post something to America and was told that, not only could I not send the fragrance there even by surface mail, but as of July 15th 2013 you can't post fragrance Inland! I couldn't believe it. That means no more Internet sales of fragrances in the UK.

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    Ups?
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    Yeah, hadn't thought of other inland carriers. Royal Mail (or the Government) will only wreak international sales, then.

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    mmm - apparently they confiscate.
    This'll get the economy on it's feet!

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    Somehow, fragrance has become the new plutonium. What did I miss?

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    Jesus, Royal Mail are a bunch of shirkers. I suppose if you're posting inland, you don't necessarily need to tell them that you're posting a fragrance. I know that with posting abroad you have to fill out a little form, but who says you have to tell them what you're sending within the UK?

    Seriously though, Royal Mail need to get their priorities sorted.

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    Default Re: No national nor international shipping of fragrances from July 15th 2013!

    http://www.royalmail.com/personal/he...ohibited-Goods

    Well - it's nice to know that I won't be receiving human remains, waste, dirt or filth, radioactive waste & uranium any time soon (or contaminated dressings, bandages & needles) - but deodorant? shaving & hair removal creams? (not on my to buy list really) high performance laptops? ELECTRIC BICYCLES!!!
    Bit early for an April Fool's?
    Might be a good time to set up a courier service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_good_life View Post
    Somehow, fragrance has become the new plutonium. What did I miss?

    sent from a mobile device - please excuse any swelling mistakes
    Haha - 'swelling mistakes' - you're excused!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cosgrove View Post
    Jesus, Royal Mail are a bunch of shirkers. I suppose if you're posting inland, you don't necessarily need to tell them that you're posting a fragrance. I know that with posting abroad you have to fill out a little form, but who says you have to tell them what you're sending within the UK?

    Seriously though, Royal Mail need to get their priorities sorted.
    I was told that everybody will be asked at the post office counter what their parcel contains. Of course, the post box in the street doesn't ask questions.

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    Seriously everyone, has the industry in general not reacted to these idiotic decisions? They are bound to drive some businesses who rely on web sales bust!! I agree with the comments that this is not going to help the economy get started (or even get tax revenues up!).

    We need to take action from within the industry and get things moving!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rum View Post
    Seriously everyone, has the industry in general not reacted to these idiotic decisions? They are bound to drive some businesses who rely on web sales bust!! I agree with the comments that this is not going to help the economy get started (or even get tax revenues up!).

    We need to take action from within the industry and get things moving!!
    I was certainly very surprised that this had 'sneaked in' with no apparent advance publicity - it's seriously restrictive if you read the Royal mail website.
    Since many letters are being replaced by emails & the parcel side was increasing due to the increase in online sales, it seems suicidal.

    This link is for Business users currently posting within the U.K. - conditions differ from those applying to personal customers & detailed restrictions & conditions for scents apply:-

    http://www.royalmail.com/business/he...stricted-goods

    & overseas:-

    http://www.royalmail.com/sites/defau...0booklet_0.pdf

    for personal consumers posting internationally:-
    http://www.royalmail.com/sites/defau...onsumers_0.pdf

    Not sure if this will all be altered again in July? The website was altered the other weekend.
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    Default Re: No national nor international shipping of fragrances from July 15th 2013!

    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    I was certainly very surprised that this had 'sneaked in' with no apparent advance publicity - it's seriously restrictive if you read the Royal mail website.
    Since many letters are being replaced by emails & the parcel side was increasing due to the increase in online sales, it seems suicidal.

    This link is for Business users currently posting within the U.K. - conditions differ from those applying to personal customers & detailed restrictions & conditions for scents apply:-

    http://www.royalmail.com/business/he...stricted-goods

    & overseas:-

    http://www.royalmail.com/sites/defau...0booklet_0.pdf

    for personal consumers posting internationally:-
    http://www.royalmail.com/sites/defau...onsumers_0.pdf

    Not sure if this will all be altered again in July? The website was altered the other weekend.
    Thanks for posting the links, lpp. Very helpful!

    I can't believe this!! Another typical British fiasco from a bunch of freaks working in a desk in Whitehall. How on earth do they expect the economy to pick up or earn the country some extra tax revenue?

    This is just trying to get online firms to close. Disgraceful.

    What are we supposed to do now? Order from European sites that won't have these restrictions imposed on them? Or stop using Royal Mail and get ripped off by couriers?

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    I don't think it will effect professional online stores. They will have to use a courier service and it will go by land. There is a licence which operates in other countries for the shipping of perfumes etc. Its people selling on ebay and decants which it will hit.

    Les Senteurs have had a notice on their site saying they can no longer ship internationally but are looking for a courier.
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    Maybe we can all start a perfume pass the parcel 'chain' where we each move any perfume parcels around the uk once a week only a very short distance each. Like a sort of collective package train that stops at certain stops on certain days and then gets collected by the next PPC (private perfume carrier).... It would take longer but it could work. Each sender could make a donation into a pot and the volunteer couriers chosen take mileage costs per month. No idea how to mastermind that, but it is possible in theory. Obviously time would not be of the essence, merely the delivery success.

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    I contacted Les Senteurs about the new UK rules starting on 13th July, here is the reply.

    Our understanding is that we will still be able to provide our mail order service within the UK - provided packages contain fewer than 4 full bottles.

    If the situation changes, we will be forced to use a different courier, and this may result in an increase in postage costs.

    So below 4 bottles can be shipped okay within the UK.

    Mumsy, there have been a few threads up on MUA about this. A woman in the UK had her perfume destroyed and she got the empty box back. She was sending to someone in the US. They will xray all packages in the future within the UK it seems as well.
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    What I'm curious about is why? The airlines are the ones parading perfume down the centre isle... has that been banned?

    Gawd... it ruins all our international perfumes games as well as international trade.

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    Idea.... what if we put a bit of cotton wool in with a sample? it isn't then a liquid any more but a perfumed cotton bud. Then wipe it onto skin to smell it. Not ideal but ok for small samples for frag games and smelling samples or suchlike.

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    It seems that, at present, R.M. registered business clients can post within the U.K. with a special sticker & packaging controls.

    Someone suggested bombs, I'd love to know the actual reason if any Royal Mail sorts are around?
    Someone on Ebay reckoned that their local P.O. refused to accept an eyeliner pencil to Italy or somewhere!

    On the leaflet it refers to the ' health, safety & wellbeing of employees & customers' & 'Transport Regs' but they are not named (i.e., Act, Section, para., etc.) so they are not directly quoting the legal reasons & the wording makes it look like a R.M. decision, but I could be wrong.
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    Maybe they're getting so many parcels with the increase in online sales that they're getting picky!

    TNT, UPS, DPD, etc. are options? Expensive ones 'though.
    What amazes me is how it just happened - the R.M. website was down for a day or so & wham!

    Luckyscent send samples of Homage on blotting paper according to their website, but I've never tried that. & Serge Lutens send 'wax' samples sometimes.

    And from Royal Mail 'News'
    http://www.royalmailgroup.com/reminder-updated-rules
    - still no actual law quoted.

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    This seems to be where it comes from, but publishes more info. on batteries than anything.
    http://www.icao.int/safety/Dangerous.../annex-18.aspx

    Off to check out the Chicago Convention!
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    Well I've just tried my first compliant package. I put a third of a ml of frag, then a cut up slice of cotton wool pad and inserted it in the vial. It absorbs all the liquid and can be applied off the cotton wool. I shall report back after the recipients reviews.

    I have to say this is certain ruin for many small fledgling businesses as well as huge ones. Never mind the perfume industry alone, what about the bottle industry, the packaging industry and the paper industry to name but a few.

    Complete lunacy, with health and safety gone quite mad IMO. How many planes and trains and ships have been blown up by a frag? I don't mind being asked to label them but banning them is bonkers for international trade.

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    Well done & good luck!

    & totally agree - people are being told that work is available unless they're shirkers but this is exactly the kind of authoritarian pettiness that will cause even more unemployment.

    From the little that I have been able to find online, the updated Chicago Convention regs. seem more concerned with lithium batteries.

    'Restricted goods', referred to but un-listed, must be packaged properly, declared, etc., but the actual leaflets are only shown as cover pictures, not uploaded in full.

    If any informed person can explain what on earth is going on & why , I'm sure that many of us will be most grateful!
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    i think someone from perfume industry must be fighting for this splitting of perfume is probably something that bites into some profits too ? vintage market .....cheaper USA market....swap business

    actually i am not surprised at all.....i was amazed they allowed it before...

    i have bought some really cheap things on ebay...which here in Croatia i would pay doble at least!

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    Default Re: No national nor international shipping of fragrances from July 15th 2013!

    Did anyone (private consumers) notice the 'extensive awareness campaign' promised before the updated regulations were introduced?



    http://www.ecommercebytes.com/cab/abn/y13/m02/i08/s02
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    I know for quite a while cosmetics to Germany and Italy must be unopened and original packaging. Hence on ebay you will get the message unable to sell to Germany or Italy.
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    Sigh. So it's true then: they are confiscating perfume parcels. I've heard similar from other sources.

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    Hmm....& I think that the 'news' article on their website (link above somewhere) has been updated (but not re-dated) since I first read it on Thursday.

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    OMG....... Is the UK turning into china now?
    "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." – Winston Churchill

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    Well, this is the new *improved* Government that promised those inclined to believe them 'less Government'.....
    Couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery imo!

    (& China encourages trade!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    Well I've just tried my first compliant package. I put a third of a ml of frag, then a cut up slice of cotton wool pad and inserted it in the vial. It absorbs all the liquid and can be applied off the cotton wool. I shall report back after the recipients reviews.

    I have to say this is certain ruin for many small fledgling businesses as well as huge ones. Never mind the perfume industry alone, what about the bottle industry, the packaging industry and the paper industry to name but a few.

    Complete lunacy, with health and safety gone quite mad IMO. How many planes and trains and ships have been blown up by a frag? I don't mind being asked to label them but banning them is bonkers for international trade.
    It's going to end my part-time fragrance sample enterprise.

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    I wonder whether it's worth setting up a petition with the Government? It affects more than fragrance-lovers.

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    This should be fun come July the 15th as Amouage, Harrods, Selfridges, Fortnum & Mason, Liberty's, Debenhams, House of Fraiser etc all use Royal Mail/Parcel Force for their fragrance mail deliveries.

    The international restrictions have now absolutely decimated my splits and its not worth the lottery anymore as I've very recently had items confiscated.

    Does anyone own a Horse & Cart?

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    It will end a lot of small/fledgling businesses.

    I just can't believe that they had the front to sneak this in on us & are now making it look like it's always been the case (see the crafty wording in the 'news' article).

    I'm not quite speechless, but ..........angry.

    When I was a child, my Mother used to send food & clothing parcels to her family in the Soviet Bloc (clothing had to be fumigated - we had a special room for this).
    In the mid 1960's, my grandmother was called to their P.O. & told that the practice had ceased as it made people realise that the evil 'West' actually had sheep, etc.
    When it came back & the R.M. tried to charge my Father return postage......

    This is uncannily similar in execution if not in ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kron View Post
    This should be fun come July the 15th as Amouage, Harrods, Selfridges, Fortnum & Mason, Liberty's, Debenhams, House of Fraiser etc all use Royal Mail/Parcel Force for their fragrance mail deliveries.

    The international restrictions have now absolutely decimated my splits and its not worth the lottery anymore as I've very recently had items confiscated.

    Does anyone own a Horse & Cart?
    I have a bunch of sled dogs!

    There is a forthcoming Public Consultation due in March (from previous experience of these - haha), but maybe we should all participate?

    Petition is a good idea!

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    Someone on MUA had an empty box returned to her, she was shipping internationally. It was a discontinued limited edition L'Artisan, she sold to someone in the US. Royal Mail destroyed the fragrance.


    Kron, read my post with reply from Les Senteurs. They will be able to ship up to 4 bottles at a time in one parcel. The same will apply to the big stores, shipping within the UK.
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    Default Re: No national nor international shipping of fragrances from July 15th 2013!

    Quote Originally Posted by donna255 View Post
    Someone on MUA had an empty box returned to her, she was shipping internationally. It was a discontinued limited edition L'Artisan, she sold to someone in the US. Royal Mail destroyed the fragrance.


    Kron, read my post with reply from Les Senteurs. They will be able to ship up to 4 bottles at a time in one parcel. The same will apply to the big stores, shipping within the UK.
    Donna - this currently only applies to registered R.M. business clients, & it may change again in July.
    Maybe worth registering if you depend on it? - not sure what that entails.

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