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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Some people in this thread have a very strange idea of what a "dark" frag is.
    Oscar de le Renta Pour Lui ?? Esencia Loewe ?? Really, guys?

    Salvador Dali PH is so dark it actually smells like something is burning. Weird frag.
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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsteve View Post
    Some people in this thread have a very strange idea of what a "dark" frag is.
    Oscar de le Renta Pour Lui ?? Esencia Loewe ?? Really, guys?
    Yeah I think one of the problems here, if it is even a problem, is that there's no real consensus on what "dark" means in a fragrance, so I think we're all using our personal definitions of dark and the recommendations are all over the place... as per usual I guess, but moreso than with most threads of this type. And "dark" of course is a beguiling descriptor. Even if we did have a consensus on "dark" everyone would still have their own impressions of what fragrances meet the definition. In my case, just as an example, take the oft mentioned Montal Dark Oud, a wonderful fragrance and favorite of mine. It never strikes me as "dark". To me it's way too healthy and "up" smelling to be dark. Obviously Montale feels differently since they named it what they named it. In posing recommendations to this thread I tried to use the OP's definition of dark as much as I could understand it. And even then I misread some things he wrote.

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsteve View Post
    Some people in this thread have a very strange idea of what a "dark" frag is.
    Oscar de le Renta Pour Lui ?? Esencia Loewe ?? Really, guys?

    Salvador Dali PH is so dark it actually smells like something is burning. Weird frag.
    Esencia Loewe is dark, however its darkness strikes me as melancholic rather than evil.
    It appears the OP is seeking the latter.

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

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    Just bought Arabian Oud Musc Fakher (refined) and Musc Kaaba mukhalat oils. Gorgeous dark musc animalic scent.
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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by hoschhti View Post
    To me this perfume is a bad joke! It's the number one on my hate-list! There is absolutely nothing dark in this perfume, the current formulation smells so cheap and bright, it's something for little girls! The older EDC-Version is a bit better, but still crap!

    Avignon is also crap, a parody of real church-incense!
    I wouldn't go so far as "hate" but yeah. Messe de Minuit smelled like a sunny French bathroom. Soap, soap and more soap. Nothing dark at all. (And I couldn't smell the incense, either, but that might just be me and musks.)

    And Avignon I kind of liked at first; I don't know church incense, but it does approximate the burning of frankincense tears... but again, frankincense? Dark? It's a bright, sunny resin, even while burning on a charcoal block.

    (Then I bought a Tide washing machine cleaner packet which apparently is all Iso E Super, and now all I can think of when I smell Avignon is sparkling washing machines. I was about to buy a decant, too.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompassRose View Post
    I wouldn't go so far as "hate" but yeah. Messe de Minuit smelled like a sunny French bathroom. Soap, soap and more soap. Nothing dark at all. (And I couldn't smell the incense, either, but that might just be me and musks.)

    And Avignon I kind of liked at first; I don't know church incense, but it does approximate the burning of frankincense tears... but again, frankincense? Dark? It's a bright, sunny resin, even while burning on a charcoal block.

    (Then I bought a Tide washing machine cleaner packet which apparently is all Iso E Super, and now all I can think of when I smell Avignon is sparkling washing machines. I was about to buy a decant, too.)

    What I don't like about Avignon is that it smells so synthetically built together. You have the very sweet vanilla-base, the smoke-imitating middle-part and it even tries to mimic the citrusy top-notes of real Frankincense by adding a thin citrus-smell on top. It doesn't smell organic, like one unity, it smells totally torn! It tries to copy real Frankincense, but fails in my opinion in doing it.

    What I also don't like is that it really tries to copy real Frankincense! I am by no means an incense-expert, but I think the incense used in (Catholic) churches in Europe is most of the time a mix of different ingredients (including Frankincense) in numerous variations, but not just Frankincense alone - at least that's how I experienced it.
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    Your brief as far as what constitutes "dark" is a bit vague. While you list quite a few "dark" fragrances (I would have pointed you at Black Tourmaline) that you feel aren't "dark" enough, you fail to elaborate on why each misses the mark. Other than "Black Tourmaline", I would probably suggest you try Naomi Goodsir's "Bois d'Ascese", which is gorgeous rendering of straight up wood smoke. Or why not try wearing Diptyque's now discontinued room fragrance "Essence of John Galliano" - smoke and leather.

    One of the problems you are liable to run in to is that fragrances are designed to be wearable (and to attract a purchaser). To my nose, something like "Black Tourmaline" pushes those boundaries while remaining wearable. If Durbano had made it much "darker", it probably would slip into novelty territory - something designed to attract a bit of attention for being outrageous, but not to sell. Not to be worn. Simply to provoke.

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    +1 Serge Noire Serge Lutens
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    I've never smelled anything remotely evil and dark, you can definitely cross of Salvador Dali pour homme , dior eau noire, and serge noire. They all smell really nice, salvador dali is bit old fashioned for me to enjoy wearing. I guess maybe i just dont know how evil and dark would translate into a scent. Weirdly, this thread topic has come up before which is why i tried salvador dali in the first place.

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by LA2000 View Post
    Your brief as far as what constitutes "dark" is a bit vague. While you list quite a few "dark" fragrances (I would have pointed you at Black Tourmaline) that you feel aren't "dark" enough, you fail to elaborate on why each misses the mark. Other than "Black Tourmaline", I would probably suggest you try Naomi Goodsir's "Bois d'Ascese", which is gorgeous rendering of straight up wood smoke. Or why not try wearing Diptyque's now discontinued room fragrance "Essence of John Galliano" - smoke and leather.

    One of the problems you are liable to run in to is that fragrances are designed to be wearable (and to attract a purchaser). To my nose, something like "Black Tourmaline" pushes those boundaries while remaining wearable. If Durbano had made it much "darker", it probably would slip into novelty territory - something designed to attract a bit of attention for being outrageous, but not to sell. Not to be worn. Simply to provoke.
    Thanks for your recommendation of "Bois d'Ascese"! I read some reviews and they sounded promising. I hope this perfume doesn't have the "smoked ham"-type of smoke?


    What I don't like about the perfumes mentioned in my original post:

    Encre Noire: Weird musk-notes in the drydown, licorice-note, too synthetic (Iso E Super). I liked it at first but that suddenly changed. I have the persistent suspicion that the formula changed - or my taste.

    Black Tourmaline: Has an "old man"-vibe!

    Norne: It's too herbal-medicinal, almost too green, smells like a potpourri after a while, especially on fabric.

    Fumidus: Too fat, too boozy, too herbal.

    Messe de Minuit (current version): Bad joke!

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    In my colllection, the darkest one is encre noire. I don't know if it is possible to find an even darker one.

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    In my colllection, the darkest one is encre noire. I don't know if it is possible to find an even darker one.
    I am sure it is possible!

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    If "dark" means absence of sweetness, florals, citrus etc., then Montale Dark Aoud. It smells like someone taking a wood burning kit to a pile of very dry cheap oud shavings.

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    I agree with Salvador Dali. Also, although I have never tried it, Messe de Minuit is supposed to be a very dark incense.
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    Gee Whiz is it that dark? I would love to get my nose a sample I just received Lalique's Encre Noire and I love it already.
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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Montale Dark Aoud and Black Aoud with added concentration have little sweetness and are bone dry and make me feel like in smothering in feul. Way too dark and heavy.
    I'm on the bandwagon with these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musky_monkey View Post
    Esencia Loewe is dark, however its darkness strikes me as melancholic rather than evil.
    It appears the OP is seeking the latter.
    Thank you musky_monkey I think the Loewe and the Salvador Dali are two very much "dark" (which is not the same as "evil") fragrances but the Loewe is actually enjoyable. The Loewe is to me a bunch of ripe unsweet blackcurrants dug up from dark brown musty soil in a winter pine forest at midnight. The Dali is more like a black leather jacket soaked in sweat, urine and black rose petals sprinkled with patchouli.

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by hoschhti View Post
    The perfume should not have even the tiniest hint of sweetness, it should be extremely dry and maybe smoky.
    Kolnish Juchten has the smokey... an almost meaty leather based on birch tar.
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    Cuir D Arabie and black Afgano

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    Encre Noire and Carbone ve Balmain

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    All you guys who recommended Dark Aoud made me very, very curious - a decant is already on its way to me!

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by hoschhti View Post
    All you guys who recommended Dark Aoud made me very, very curious - a decant is already on its way to me!
    It's real good. But dark? evil? um..... not too much.

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dernier_Cri View Post
    It's real good. But dark? evil? um..... not too much.

    We'll see.

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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

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    We'll see.
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    Default Re: What's the darkest scent that you know? And with dark I mean SUPER-DARK!!!

    My decant of Dark Aoud arrived and I gave it already a couple of wearings. In the beginning it has this luxurious "Amouage-vibe", but that fades away quite qickly and surprisingly the scent becomes very refreshing (I'm not kidding), light, smoky and very dry, but also a bit thin and slightly synthetic. I see it as a dark "Eau de Cologne" as it is so fresh and airy. To be a dark "Perfume" it would need a bit more "meat", a bit more body and deepness, some more "rawness". Dark Aoud is a bit too streamlined, too polite, but I really like it and feel very comfortable wearing it.

    So I haven't found the SUPER-DARK "Perfume", but I have found a SUPER-DARK "Eau de Cologne"!

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    Another votes for Serge Noire and Pure Oud By Kilian
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