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    Default How much carrier oil?

    I'm planning to make 30ml of perfume without alcohol. How much carrier does it need? The vanilla will be part of the base note which is also diluted with carrier oil.

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    Default Re: How much carrier oil?

    Depends on your carrier.

    DPG? IPM? Cyclomethicone?
    Jojoba?
    Coconut?

    Without a specific scenario, no one can give an adequate answer.
    Context! Specificity!

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    Default Re: How much carrier oil?

    Either Jojoba or sweet almond oil..

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    Default Re: How much carrier oil?

    hmmm, maybe 20-30% fragrance concentrate, with a larger amount of topnotes than for an alcoholic fragrance.
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    Default Re: How much carrier oil?

    what if it's a non alcoholic im aiming for.. just natural. only synthetics will be the fragrance oils which i cant get in essentials.

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    what if it's a non alcoholic im aiming for.. just natural. only synthetics will be the fragrance oils which i cant get in essentials.

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    Default Re: How much carrier oil?

    *what if it's a non alcoholic im aiming for.. just natural. only synthetics will be the fragrance oils which i cant get in essentials.*

    Sorry, I can't make out what you are asking, it seems contradictory, can you try again...?

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    Default Re: How much carrier oil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mk93 View Post
    I'm planning to make 30ml of perfume without alcohol. How much carrier does it need? The vanilla will be part of the base note which is also diluted with carrier oil.
    As you do not reveal much about yourself it is difficult to know, but I'm guessing that English isn't your first language, which may explain why we are having difficulty in understanding what you want.

    Jojoba and Almond Oil are not good choices as carrier/solvent. They go off fairly quickly (go rancid) and are not good solvents for Perfumery materials. You will not be able to dissolve Vanillin, for example. Must you use a natural solvent?

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    Default Re: How much carrier oil?

    I am also interested in experimenting with some non-alcoholic perfumes, using fractionated coconut oil as a base.

    Is there a list somewhere of the materials that will not dissolve in oil?

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    Default Re: How much carrier oil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shakster007 View Post
    I am also interested in experimenting with some non-alcoholic perfumes, using fractionated coconut oil as a base.

    Is there a list somewhere of the materials that will not dissolve in oil?
    Not that I am aware of; others may know differently. Solubility has to do with polarity; oil and water don't mix. The more polar the molecule, the less likely it will dissolve in a non polar solvent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    As you do not reveal much about yourself it is difficult to know, but I'm guessing that English isn't your first language, which may explain why we are having difficulty in understanding what you want.

    Jojoba and Almond Oil are not good choices as carrier/solvent. They go off fairly quickly (go rancid) and are not good solvents for Perfumery materials. You will not be able to dissolve Vanillin, for example. Must you use a natural solvent?
    How about castor oil or coconut oil? I was thinking of 10ml carrier and 20ml essential/perfume oils to make 30ml? which other non natural solvents are there to dissolve in, apart from alcohol? My business sells strictly alcohol free scents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    Not that I am aware of; others may know differently. Solubility has to do with polarity; oil and water don't mix. The more polar the molecule, the less likely it will dissolve in a non polar solvent.
    That's really interesting and, I'm guessing heating mixtures affects the polarity in some way then? As things seem to mix better?

    Also, how do they make Attars? Where they all seem to have an oil base.

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    As I understand it, an Attar is made by steam distilling an Essential Oil into Sandalwood oil.

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