david... I mostly like your posts. Seriously. It seems you are very passionate about perfume/cologne. That is admirable. In fact, I think I owe you a beer for your words about Les Copains Homme and specifically how you’d tied it to Yatagan. I found a bottle and it's great. I might just owe you 2 beers because I went back and got another. If you’re ever in Chicago, let me know
That’s exactly the issue david. I’m not into ad-hominen attacks, but I do take umbrage with some of your posts on this subject. If you want credibility from me as well as others (I’m quite sure) on this issue, I strongly suggest you edit or delete your posts #33 and #64 in mr. dampier’s thread entitled “USPS' Perfume Crackdown March 1; No Air/Priority Shipments” in the male fragrance forum http://www.basenotes.net/threads/324...rity-Shipments . As they read now:
Originally Posted by david
“It is a TOTAL, (worldwide) ban and includes LAND and SEA shipping. ALL METHODS OF SHIPMENT.
The enforcement came from the UNIVERSAL POSTAL UNION, not as some people think the Civil Aviation Authorities. This is not about perfumes/alcohol being carried on planes ~ it is about all forms of shipping perfumes/alcohol. The ban also includes lithium batteries and, (of all things!) nail varnish ???????..............
This planet has become pathetic.”
“Please see my thread entitled shipping perfumes, and my posts on this thread. This has nothing to do with aircraft. This ban affects roal/land haulage / rail haulage and sea haulage. All forms of shipment.”
I got all of my information via the UK press office of the Civil Aviation Authorities. I phoned the press office, (you can google to find their number ~ or alternatively write to them) The guy I spoke to was very helpful and extremely knowledgable. He explained to me that this regulation has come from the UPU. He also told me that the International Civil Aviation Authorities do not like the regulation, ( I am assuming because aircraft make a lot of revenue from transporting packages) and that the UK postal service, (Royal Mail) are fighting the regulation for the same reason. The Royal Mail want the alcohol limit, currently at 24 percent, lifted, (obviously to be able to ship perfume).
I really hope everyone investgates this issue and I think as many members as possible should contact the press on all levels including newspapers, radio and television.
The Universal Postal Union has deliberately kept this very quiet...so as not to create a fuss.
.....that's probably the reason you are not finding any direct information there."
What we know:
1. There has been no documented ban on perfume transport, either globally or at any national level.
2. Aside from UK’s Royal Mail, it appears that no gov’t or private carrier has made any recent rule changes affecting the transport of perfume.
3. The recent RM documented changes are actually an easing of restrictions with respect to perfume transport. Now, a properly registered business can transport perfume domestically provided restrictions are met. In July, this additional freedom will be extended to the personal class. Neither class could, can, or will be allowed to transport internationally though.
4. Rules of some gov’t carriers (e.g. CanadaPost, AusPost,) have not and do not allow for the domestic or international transport of perfume.
5. In some countries, gov’t carriers appear to be administering a reminder campaign that perfume is a hazardous material / dangerous good and, as such, is either non-mailable or can be mailed with restrictions (e.g. ground only).
6. For the most part, the reminder campaigns noted above are typically relegated to the postal clerk asking “Does this parcel contain anything fragile, liquid, perishable, or potentially hazardous?”, or similar, and posters on the walls, etc.
7. We, in the BN community, have yet to identify and pinpoint any credible, publicly accessible, documentary support indicating exactly why the RM changed its rules.
8. We, in the BN community, have yet to identify and pinpoint any credible, publicly accessible, documentary support indicating why some gov’t carriers appear to be administering a reminder campaign as to the mailability of hazardous materials / dangerous goods.
9. Most countries have hazardous material / dangerous goods legislation.
10. Some country’s hazardous material / dangerous goods legislation expressly adopt or assimilate international hazardous materials / dangerous goods legislation, treatise, and/or UN model regulations into their own national regulations.
11. Perfume is typically categorized under hazardous material / dangerous goods legislation as a flammable liquid (i.e. category 3).
12. Perfume is mostly ethanol.
13. Ethanol has a flashpoint of around 70F.
14. We’ve yet to come across any recent documented national hazardous materials / dangerous goods legislation amendments affecting either the categorization or transport of perfume.
15. We’ve yet to come across any recent documented international hazardous material / dangerous goods legislation, treatise, or model UN regulation showing amendments affecting either the categorization or transport of perfume.
16. We’ve yet to hear any instances where BNrs have had a perfume shipment destroyed, confiscated, etc. where the gov’t carrier’s rules were being followed.
17. We’ve heard plenty of instances where BNrs have had a perfume shipment destroyed, confiscated, etc. where the gov’t carrier’s rules were not being followed.
18. Confiscations, etc. do not appear to be a new development, however, apparently it may be occurring more frequently within some nations or at some national borders.
19. We’ve heard plenty of instances where BNrs have not had a perfume shipment destroyed, confiscated, etc. where the gov’t carrier’s rules were not being followed.
20. Just because gov’t carriers’ rules expressly prohibit or restrict the domestic or international transport of perfume, that does not mean that private carriers are prohibited or restricted from offering those transport services.
21. Private carrier rates for domestic and/or international perfume transport tend to be greater, and oftentimes much greater than the rates charged by gov’t carriers for similar sized parcels of non-hazardous materials / non-dangerous goods.
22. There is recent readily available documented national hazardous materials / dangerous goods legislation amendments affecting the transport of lithium ion batteries.
23. There is recent readily available documented international hazardous material / dangerous goods legislation, treatise, or model UN regulation showing amendments affecting the transport of lithium ion batteries.
24. There have been at least two documented and relatively recent occurrences where bombs were found in the international mail-stream.
25. Most (All?) gov’t and private carriers put the onus on the mailer to accurately declare the contents of packages the mailer puts into or attempts to put into the mail-stream.
26. Most gov’t carriers put the onus on the mailer to understand and abide by its rules.
27. Mailers that are ignorant of gov’t carrier rules and/or inaccurately declare the contents of packages put into the mail-stream are subject to loss of property, fines, prison time... whether because gov’t carrier rules or national/international hazardous materials/dangerous goods regulations were violated.
28. As a service to BNrs of all experience, it is probably more helpful to have an unemotional, factual account of this broad issue available in these forums. As adults, we can then make our own informed decisions about how best to transport our perfumes.
There are a few of us here that, for whatever reasons, feel compelled to dig a little deeper with this issue in order to pass along good and useful information. If anyone sees any errors in any of the above points, please air it out, let's discuss, and I'll make the changes to the list.
I’m not out to prove anybody right or wrong or make anyone look bad. I just want accuracy for the benefit of the BN community. And… for the sake of the seriousness of this subject matter, I ask that emotional out pouring or rants be saved for a different thread. Please contribute if you can.
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just to make it clear re USPS, I'm adding...
29. The USPS has not changed any of its rules affecting the transport of perfume. Per its rules, perfume is a hazardous material that is prohibited from domestic air and international transport; ground transport is permissible if it is accurately declared as perfume and its hazardous materials rules are followed.