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    100% naturals: profumo.it

    are never loud, always sublime no matter the composition...bit raw, i.e. odlfashioned, performance not up to the task always,

    50% natural: veroprofumo

    they all open sublime and beautiful as 100% naturals....after 2-3 hours synthetic feel comes to the foreplay...like musks...the feeling you know it allready, "perfumed up" , rawness is in control (Onda smells most natural and Rubj most synthetic to my nose), performances are much better then 100% naturals but still issues (Kiki too short lived!), but price is extremely high for unperfect performance

    10%naturals??: Chanel Exclusifs(those smell like 5% naturals max), Amouage EDP, Serge Lutens (they smell like 15%naturals to me), Histories de Parfums...etc
    at the beginning i thought the high price of these perfumes is justified by expenciveness of the materials they use, but soon after wearing them i realize they hold much more synthetics then i thought....some smell like 100% synthetics....performances are great, longevity, sillage too but there is a problem:

    too many of them feel empty after wearing them for a long time, some notes come out you did not expect, like soarness from synthetic musk, sharpness from synthetic civet, powderness from synthetic iris...they smell technical, overly clean, modern, and sometimes remind of hairspray, or airfeshner or detergent, whatever....and one gets bored by them too soon.. AND one very distinctive thing about them is many of them smell most beautiful the day after! where as heavy natural perfumes smell the most beautiful at the begining and first 4 hours

    1% naturals: all designers


    ..... how would you feel someone sells you steel instead of gold, you would not notice at the beginning but later....after you wear it for a year or so..it just starts beeing less and less beautiufl shining thing

    no matter how beautiful shape/composition is....something in your expencive perfume starts beeing too sharp, too soar, too powdery, too suffocating with time and none of these things i get with perfumes that hold more of natural sutff(vintages?)....

    and today niche houses brand themselves expencive to lead you to believe they use much more natural stuff, where they actually are almost 98% snyhtetic (Ramon Monegal for example)


    which perfumes smell the most natural to you and which are the most synthetic to your nose or wich houses stand out by using most valuable ingredients ? curious to know what you think!!

    thank you!!!
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    100% natural isn't necessarily good, because, as you point out, natural materials are fleeting. Luca Turin said it well, synthetics give the skeleton, and naturals the flesh. It is no surprise that all natural perfumes often end up smelling similar, a spicy floral mix that feels a little spineless. Also, there are perfumes that are almost entirely synthetics, and yet smell absolutely natural. An example would be Diorissimo vintage, a lily of the valley that's entirely replicated artificially yet smells wonderfully fresh an natural. Indeed, if I had to choose a perfume that smells natural, I'd say Diorissimo vintage parfum.

    As for ingredients, I want to single out JAR. Some of its perfumes contains tons of natural extracts, like the tuberose (Eclair), and, I suspect, Jardenia (Gardenia doesn't really exist as an extract, but I believe that some companies do extract small amounts of it).

    I should also mention some ingredients that, no matter how natural, end up smelling synthetic nonetheless: orange flower and, especially, linden. Tauer's linden contains tons of natural linden extract, yet it cannot help giving off a household cleaning vibe.

    As for the most horrendously synthetics, Turin's triad is Amarige, Poeme, and Spellbound. Hard to argue with them.

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    Right now, the most natural smelling frag would be Bright Leaf by Murdock. Original tobacco with a touch of cedar. This is great for the winter months. The most synthetic would have to be Pure Leather. IMO this smells like a synthetic suede.

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    Cacio thank you very much!!

    i totaly agree with you...just in my opinion nowdays those houses who use 50-50 ratios are kind of gone? to me many of expencive things smell like 90% snythetic max 10% naturals...am i wrong there?

    and yes 100% naturals usually dont have the combination of notes i would go crazy about, or if they do have poor wearing performance and some beautiful compositions i know smell synthetic, and i wish they smell more natural ( L temps du une fette is an example of that).....i think i ahve huge problem with musks...they always give to a perfume synthetic vibe no matter how nice they are...in Rubj it smells too modern, and i dont like the drydown becasue it reminds me of so many other perfumes....7.5ml pure perfume costs just way too much compared to any other perfume house, so i was thinking i dont think Veroprofumo is in the position to sell "brand" the cost reflects the cost of materials too...meanin all other cheaper perfumes must have much cheaper ingredients?? lets say almost like designers..and they sell at 3x price

    Chanel 1932...smells so utterly synthetic 100%.....why couldnt they add something natural there?
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    I think it entirely depends on what idea the perfumer is chasing (or their brief).

    I like the natural camp so far, but I admire the compositions of Mr Ellena and he is the opposite end of the spectrum. Hermes perfumes can be incredibly beautiful and I have worn many of them as staples in the past. If clarity is sought then too many naturals wouldn't manage that without perfumers mud as a result.

    I think it depends where a perfumer wants to go, or maybe where they are forced to go. Budgets are not set by the perfumers themselves, but I suspect Mr Ellena has a fairly free hand.

    It is a matter for each perfumers skill with whatever material they have. If the perfume fails, then it is not really always up to the type of materials necessarily. That is the true task. Like cooking really, or painting. Some are nearly there but not quite.

    If a natural ingredient were added to your Chanel, it may throw another ingredient that was working well, right off track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iivanita View Post
    ...meanin all other cheaper perfumes must have much cheaper ingredients?? lets say almost like designers..and they sell at 3x price
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    Somewhere (maybe here) I read an interview with Mathilde Laurent, perfumer at Cartier (before then Guerlain). She stated that the price tag of the perfume doesn't reflect the cost of materials.

    To me, all Humiecki & Graef fragrances smell particularly artificial.

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    mumsy thank you very much,

    yes i understand what you mean,.....and this is what i noticed too 100% naturals if have transparency dont have longevity...

    when i smell Les Exclusifs...especially this 1932 it doesnt smell any better then any designer out there, it smells like they all use the same font style...just reshuffle the letters...so what you read is different composition but in the same font style: modern,....the story is new but what if you dont like to read in that font style? and tires your eyes...you want bigger font style

    when you smell all naturals they are completely different font style-oldfashioned...so the overall text looking from the distance is very different...maybe to big font style, like you read the text in bold letters....

    now which perfume house can mix those 2 font styles so you get somehting in between?...that is not technical-modern and not raw-oldfashioned, but something in between, this is what i get from vintages most easily....i smell they are not 100% natural but the letters are in perfect font style.....easy to read ....

    with all synthetic stuff i just get tired with that small font style...i read its the new story but oh my god the same thing all over again for what price??

    maybe that is an answer its difficult to mix those 2 fonts to get beautiful story, but i think that is the only way a perfume can keep my interest, should not be predictable as it is!.....with that one can make numerous combinations that would be much more interesting.....

    and then they can charge the price this way i dont think one should be payed huge money for making story with just one type of letters....
    or like in music someone can make modern music and the singer will still have beautiful voice so it all sounds like pleasure to listen to...here they write different music but the singer is allways the same machine/ synthetic voice and they all sing different text/melodies through the same machine.....


    then if they dont use naturals anymore then the price of old creations should go down like the price of old mobile phones.....
    i would be so so negatively impacted if i knew how much is the cost of material of juice i am buying for 130eur, if it was 25 eur only.......and somehow i think it may be in that area...

    consuming natural food, real tomato cant make me sick of it so easily if i like tomato, consuming synthetic tomato , i may not notice the difference first 4 times if covered smartly..but then you just feel you are not getting what should be there, and suddenly you dont like tomato....you loose interest in it!! that happened to me with potato and tomato, now i buy just good one and not from supermarkets
    thats what synthetic perfumes do to me....it looks like i dont like too many notes! i dont like moss, but when i tried vintage mossy perfumes i liked them!...etc etc

    i loved the older version of Ubar this new one i dont like....for the first 4 hours! then it becomes nice...like all synthetic stuff...they smell like Tommy girl so Luca Turin is right Tommy girl is beautiful composition! nice story......reeks of synthetic
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    Firstly, congratulations on expressing yourself so fluently - must be even better in your own language

    They must have started using synthetics for many reasons, and they do mostly have to produce to a price as mumsy says.

    I agree that skill is absolutely the most important, and they're going to need those skills more than ever as markets become even larger & supplies of naturals will inevitably be spread more thinly.

    For me, Guy Robert did some amazing things - wonder what he'd be doing today?

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    I'm not yet a synthetic user, but I am sometimes a synthetic wearer, so I couldn't say one was any better or worse then the next. The notes are in the hands of the composer and the music just has to suit you. I think synthetics are chosen because they are a certain colour that the perfumer making the perfume requires to achieve their aim. Whatever that aim may be.

    The smell you seek may not be that particular perfumers goal, so choose another. That is the very great beauty of it.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and true beauty is natural. IMO only.
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    Default Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Second that

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    Oh my answer got lost,was too long anyway lol

    Thank you very much lpp!! Trying hard to articulate myself:-) .....

    Mumsy i agree with all you said and thanks for sharing your thoughts!!.....just it would be nice if we know the truth :-) i think the same true beauty is natural.....so as one true beauty i would pick Mito for veroprofumo...i know you can not get those dimensions and maybe shapes with naturals as with synthetics,....but smelling some of those naturals i realized they take my breath away by beeing natural, so aromatic in a way , yet never screaming, almost like aromatherapy..and one more amazing thing after a year of wearing it i dont get any ideas how i can fix that perfume, whereas synthetic stuff constantly draw attention to that thought...but where are those perfumes in the middle?

    Can you tell me which one stand in the middle like this veroprofumo, or lets say 30 naturals 70 synthetic, like i think vintage are?

    If there are more natural stuff around people would not seek vintages so much? thats what i miss, i miss more naturality in todays perfume world,

    Cacio if you still there, why is vintage Diorissimo smelling better if this flower is synthetic back then and today?

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    I think the ingredients may be not the issue but the composition. A true composer could make anything sing, even the humble penny whistle, but it depends who plays it too. The most beautifully written symphony played by a bad orchestra would maybe not be so impressive.

    The beauty of perfume is that the composer and the player are therefore equally important for the final result.
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    Oh yes just the same as i said the melody and the singer:-)

    But i think the singer fails in so many of them:-) ......In Dia amouage, i sent you vial, i smell soar notes, and they choke me now!! I did not notice that on a day i bought it! It must be synthetic musk that kills it for me, i smelled the vintage Dia i can not say i loved it much more, it did smell a bit less harsh to my nose, thinner concentration maybe, or bit more naturals and bit less of that musk!, then chanel no 22 is one of the most synthetic frags i know of,
    Chanel 1932 101 % synthetic, beige, jersey......all the same, bel respiro, bois des illes...only sycomore smells acceptable and 31 rue cambon:-)....
    Then amouages: gold for woman, ubar ,gold for men, all new batches...they smell synthetic too........some are nicer but...you know cant give me that feeling woooow after 1 year of wearing them, so much less impressed then i was 1 st time......

    Or better to say they are synthetic:-) and so it smells.....like models:-) just bones no flesh and all the same, cleaned up from extra shapes like standardized beauty

    From things with nice composer and orchestra...there is too little to choose....orchestra beeing the ingredients themselves.....:-)

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    It would be quite hard to be totally truthful and sell a totally synthetic perfume with any success.

    Would you buy this:-
    Spicy lemon, Muguet and Sandalwood accords

    or this:-
    Alpha-amyl cinnemaldehyde dimethyl acetal, 3-methyl-6-ethyl-5octen-1-ol and melozol acetate

    If a perfume doesn't actually state the real thing is used, then it would be quite safe to presume it is not. Particularly in the case of muguet where the use of the real thing is virtually unheard of. These muguet perfumes used to be marketed as a simple scent and I had always assumed them to be real, but more than likely were not. I wonder how much 'real' any of us have been smelling for years whilst believing it was. That is where the packaging and advertising comes in with it's own persuasion.

    It is common practice is to use a little of the real thing and crank it up with the sub for either economy or intent. Therefore these perfumes are still technically being truly honest in the mention of it as an ingredient. (I didn't mean Muguet here).

    The truth is you will never really know the truth unless you either have access to a gas chromatography machine, make your own frags, or just don't care if it smells right. To know the truth is one of the reasons why I began perfumery.

    I wonder what perfumes smell really natural and yet are totally synthetic.
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    Diorissimo was based on Hydroxycitronellal (a synthetic chemical) as there is no "natural" Lily of the Valley extract.

    You have none of you articulated what you mean by a "natural" smell as opposed to a "synthetic" smell.

    "True beauty is natural". I have absolutely no idea what this means.

    Perfumers do not set out to create a fragrance with a specific amount of natural materials and a specific amount of synthetics. There has never been a brief which states that the fragrance must contain a certain amount of any type of material. Perfumers use what is to hand to enable them to create the fragrance that they want, depending on the criteria of the brief. Price is obviously an issue, and where it is possible to replace an expensive natural with a cheaper alternative (which in the opinion of the Perfumer, is as good) then that will be done. There are many expensive synthetics; some much more expensive than naturals. There are some synthetics which are unique in that there is no natural which smells the same. There are some naturals which are unique in that they cannot be duplicated.

    You cannot tell, by smell alone, how much of the fragrance is synthetic and how much is natural.

    I'm going to get shouted down, but I feel that a lot of you have not thought this through and that you are basing your arguments on feelings and nothing more.

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    No shouting down David, your knowledge is very valuable & the sharing much appreciated - thank you.

    For me, my feelings are so intricately connected to my (uneducated) but lengthy experiences of scent - the way it makes me feel, memories connected with it, things evoked, etc. that maybe I look for scents that re-create experience/feelings.

    So if someone doesn't like a particular smell or if they associate it (even sometimes subconsciously) with something else, they will keep searching & avoiding what they think is their dislike? And if that's a commonly used item, problems arise.

    You have the clarity of your experience, where we're floundering around!
    But enjoying the exploration!

    Edit:
    Sorry, multi-tasking/being interrupted again so didn't answer yuor question, - I love scents like the old Sandalwood we used to wear in the 1960's, so 'natural', to me, probably means 'old fashioned'.
    Not sure about everyone else

    A lot of 'modern' scents that I've experienced are just simply not something that I appreciate, as to me their smell seems synthetic, as opposed to older scents like the old Caleche, Joy, Mitsouko, Quadrille.
    Maybe it's a question of styles?

    - sorry, inaccurate posting here! (a bad habit).
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    I love the musk my all time favorite

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    hello David, glad you joined here!! thank you very much

    so let me explain what i refer to synthetic: it means really synthetic stuff produced in lab, and no real plants....as opposed to extracting from real plants and woods etc...
    or it can mean something smells synthetic.... i know those are 2 different things ......

    so why is Homage a beautiful perfume? its not only cause of the beautiful composition , its becasue it has some real materials extracted from the nature? this is what my nose tells me (correct me if i am wrong)

    L temps du une fette (i read some other perfume composers like to wear this one too), i find very beautiful but it smells a bit too synthetic....i would say 95% synthetic

    now if we could go throught that thing mumsy mentions gas chromatography i would love to know if my nose is wrong there....

    that is my point....ok there is no law nor book what they must put in the perfume, but if someone sells something at high price i expect it to be more natural then something that sells at 3 times lower price...

    i like Vanilia from L artisan....it is not one of the things that smells overly natural to me yet i like how it smells!...would like to know how much real sandalwood there is...if any?

    what is synthetic: it may be my impression thats why i started this thread to hear someone elses structures perfumes in a way i tried to structure them from 100% to 1% naturals....
    i thought i explained what is synthetic....it should be easy as a perfumer can you pls tell me how much naturals can be put in the base?

    musk is synthetic and smells like detergent (Musk intense by Nicolai.which is the example i could wear after it stays 1 day on my clothes ), like hairspray, modern, clean (Beloved amouage! look at the price pls), or just like something you have allready smelled elswhere, clean (Rubj), or soarish (Dia)
    sandalwood- it is the fact too its synthetic.....so beautiful Samsara is just not usable anymore.... Chanel Bois des illes....its nice fake but later it smells clean, bit powdery...and thin very thin!!! the only sandalwood i like is from La myrrhe...there it smelss natural
    oak moss- any vintage one smell its modern version and its unrecognizable! i tried Caleche vintage and was so surprised this perfume has oak moss!! becasue modern i smelld i did not notice nothing but lemons and vintage is all about moss and i thought i dont like the oak moss note in perfumes (becasue i cant stand how sharp masculine and ....soarish it can be in those synthetic perfumes)

    now need your help patchouli vetyver smell like real to me?....

    perfume base is something one smells almost 7 hours !so if it is synthetic the feel of smelling synthetic can not be easily avoided?? and that makes sense that so many perfumes nowdays smell like have too little real stuff in??

    then middle notes: jasmine in the new Chanel 1932!!! there is 0 jasmine! my nose tells this....then rose, in some perfumes even the rose smells like its not real (chanel 18), iris (insolence edp? shalimar initial, imposssible iris -here i am not sure becasue i never tried real iris natural one....if you can help which iris smells most natural?
    Chanel La pausa smells like there they put something natural! and Iris silver mist smells like "perfumed " up iris, but it smells like it has some natural notes in it

    now if we dont know the fact (natural or synthetic) we can talk about smelling natural or synthetic) and i wrote some examples and asked peopel to name things that smell natural to them! not necessarily beeing natural

    i am getting either picky!! or crazy because everything smells of very low % of naturals!!! i tried some 100% naturals and it was at first like i could not smell ...the nose was shocked! by the difference...but no matter how composition may not suit you ...the feel froms sniffing it is ....unmatchable!!! i dont think its only due to composer...must be ingredients thing too!!

    so i would say Homage is stunning not only becasue it has nice composition(new batches not so stunning)...but becasue it uses some real stuff obviously so many perfumes dont use nowdays...and am sure majority of people dont even know their lovely perfume has only 0% roses and jasmine and sandalwood ...so nowdays you see notes like whiskey, cookies, praline etc give me a break i want something real!....how much should i pay ? and where to buy?

    and it is not true that one can not understand what means that true beauty is natural- it is hard to recognise maybe nowdays becasue we can only smell 90% synthetic frags!! thats maybe the best truth? and why i started this thread

    .....would you recognise strawbery grown on land and one from plastics?? tomato as well?? i can cause i have tried really original one the differences are in fullness roundness of taste, more intensive smell!! are sweet, ripe not raw , and plasticky under tounge etc etc...just like with perfumes! that is what i call synthetic when it doesn smell remotely of any beauty but cleaned up , skeleton , plasticky , metallic, soar, sharp...simple! one dimensional...and better after 5 hours that is all synthetic!!

    maybe the conclusion is ....the real beauty is becoming more rare and rare nowdays almost extinct like bengale tigers...one must settle for a cat
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    No shouting down from me either. Quite the opposite because quite unlike my norm, I was sort of standing up for perfumers using synthetics here.

    Firstly, you are quite correct. All my thoughts are certainly based on feelings, as is much of what I make. Any skill I hope will follow along as we go.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    You have none of you articulated what you mean by a "natural" smell as opposed to a "synthetic" smell.
    Something without that 'flyspray' vibe. The toilet cleaner style perfume nuance seemingly present in more modern perfumes that did not seem present in any old ones I have ever smelled. Either made with or without synths. I couldn't tell you what causes it. It is in the new Ma Griffe but not in the 1960's perfume version for instance. It is in the new Guerlains, but not in the old ones. It isn't an ingredient I can identify, but a harsher brassiness about the whole thing.

    "True beauty is natural"

    I stand by that comment. It doesn't say unnatural cannot be beautiful. For myself, true beauty being natural means the truest to itself, as in how it is found in nature. The detail in which a flower is made, formed and coloured for instance is nothing short of a miracle. No amount of copying that has such wonder. The copy can be beautiful and it may get my admiration for it's accuracy or own beauty but it cannot possess the wonder of natures natural ability for me. I value the natural for that.

    It is also true that nature is cruel, ugly and harsh just to balance the books on that statement.


    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    You cannot tell, by smell alone, how much of the fragrance is synthetic and how much is natural.
    Yes, agreed, hence the exploration of the muguet and the perception and packaging to look real when it wasn't.

    Something that would be most interesting is to obtain some most 'natural' smelling synths and smell them. This is a process I have just begun and so far I haven't found one yet.
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    what do you think of a Slumberhouse??

    did anyone try Pear and Olive from that house? that is probably some synthetic frag, but it smells so natural..

    this is one in 1000 frags that has that effect....

    i have nothing against using synthetics, but pls not 90%! thats waaay too much of synthetics! any idea what smells 50-50? that would be so nice if someone can say .....

    so lets see if there are plenty of perfume houses to choose from .....i am sure skilled perfumer can tell difference more then i can or not really?

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    I sort of understand what you are all saying , and still cannot agree with it. You seem to think that you can quantify the quality of a fragrance simply by knowing how much of it is natural; I cannot agree with you. There are good fragrances, and there are bad fragrances; there are fragrances that are well blended and there are those that are not. It is irrelevant how much natural and how much synthetic is present.

    You mention Samsara containing Indian Sandalwood, and it is true that the original formulation did ( I doubt if the recent formulation does as it is impossible to get any good Indian Sandalwood now), but the original formulation also contained several synthetic sandalwood smelling molecules such as Osyrol, Baccdanol and Sandalore. You could say that the Perfumer who created Samsara created a Sandalwood accord that was better than the Sandalwood oil on its own. Removing any component (as has been done with Sandalwood Oil in the most recent version of Samsara) will change the fragrance. Natural materials are more complex than synthetic molecules (Essential Oils contain hundreds of chemicals) so it is very difficult to keep that complexity in a fragrance when an Oil is relaxed.

    Every innovation in Perfumery, every important fragrance that caused a change in Perfume fashion, or caused other "me too" fragrances to appear on the market happened as a result of the use of a new aroma chemical. From Shalimar (with Ethyl Vanillin), and Mitsouko (with gamma Undecalactone), to Chanel 5 (aliphatic aldehydes), to Eau Sauvage (Hedione), to Drakkar Noir and Eternity (damascones), onto today's powerful woody "oud" type fragrances (Ambrocenide) we are reliant on the synthetics to provide the new.

    A Perfumer's palette consists of naturals and synthetics; each material has its role to play. Neither one nor the other is better, but all provide a unique function.

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    To me sometimes even natural ingredients smell "synthetic"! For example Oakmoss: I don't know why, but it just smells so unnatural to me. I have tried the Oakmoss-perfume from Profumo.it, so I am sure that it's 100% natural, but still it gives me headaches and it just doesn't feel right. Nothing against Oakmoss in a mix, but I don't like it when it stands out, smells somehow plasticky to me!
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    I very much agree with David Ruskin's post above.

    Let me make another point on natural ingredients. The previous version of The Different Company's website listed how many kg of flowers were needed to produce some of their fragrances. I was utterly shocked when I became confronted with it - the quantities are HUGE (sorry, don't remember the numbers, only my shock upon reading them)! I'm not sure if I am totally comfortable with so many natural resources being needed for a tiny amount of perfume. I also don't think that my beloved Jasmin de Nuit (which was the cause of my shock and which I find gorgeous, btw) smells better than many of the other scents I own and love and many of which (I am guessing) have a much lower rate of natural ingredients.

    David Ruskin's last sentence above summarises the argument very neatly (quoting):
    A Perfumer's palette consists of naturals and synthetics; each material has its role to play. Neither one nor the other is better, but all provide a unique function.

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    Yes, I think, like most things, it's just down to individual taste versus fashion trends in the end.
    Thanks for your wisdom, David!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    The notes are in the hands of the composer and the music just has to suit you. I think synthetics are chosen because they are a certain colour that the perfumer making the perfume requires to achieve their aim. Whatever that aim may be.
    I know that normally I am riding the natural horse with sword in hand, but actually on this thread I wasn't for once. (All of post 5).
    Currently wearing: Gilda by Pierre Wulff

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    hello all, glad to see some new opinions here

    i know i wrote a lot and am surprised some facts i wrote were not taken into account so let me try with new facts

    1. anything in this world that is built consists of: material, ingredients, and human work (craft, talent, or call it expertise)
    if i look at the building it can be nice building built of beton blocks or of nice wood, or of nice bricks.....where you prefer to live is matter of taste! but if you dont know the fact, and think one can not know the fact thats something completely different from what i was saying, i think the fact is 90% of perfumery today is built of synthetics...if you know this is false fact pls say your fact we dont have to agree.....
    the same goes with food, i gave you nuuumerous examples, so will repeat once again, i can tell the difference between industrilaized chicken and the one that was walking around in the garden my taste....

    i asked here for your rough guesses what you smell is synthetic nowdays..generaly speaking , so macro view and i even gave nice scale which was ignored

    David would love to hear few more facts.....and not axioms, what matters is everything to his own, and that will not chnage the fact that 90% of perfumery is synthetic unfortunately, now i am so more sure of this because obviously noone knows i just smell it

    i continue with fact no 2

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    To answer iivanita's original question, Jour d'Hermes smelled very synthetic indeed to me.
    I tried to like it for a while too, just not my style I guess!.

    Patchouly Indonesiano by Farmacia SS. Annunziata smells very much like a nice patchouli, but doesn't mess with your clothes/bracelets.
    Not that I wear it often, but sometimes is nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonsai View Post
    I very much agree with David Ruskin's post above.
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    2. i was thinking of veroprofumo scents, she built so far only 4 perfumes in how many years? she claims her perfumes are 60-70% natural
    and was thinking why they were built the way they are...in Rubj she had to use musk, thats why this perfume in the 2nd half of its life smells to me like any other perfume i have in my wardrobe i.e. synthetic....the first half is beautiful, aromatic! not aromachemical (you know aromas in processed food?) all of her perfumes were cleverly built around materials that still can be used...and her perfumes still smell like 50-50 ....Kiki smells most natural to me, and also dissapears most quickly...
    is she so bad nose that she could not launch 10 more creations? i dont think so

    3. i have seen recently every perfume that had sandalwood is either reconstructed to beeing terribly unpleasant (Samsara), not nice as before (Ubar) or dicontinued (i will put Vanilia)....this is no coincidence this is the fact...and all happened around 2010/11??...now Amouage attars beeing withdrawn from the market...what does that tell to you?

    i am total outsider so to say and still this is all so obvious to me

    4. you completely missunderstood my thread, i am not seeking for 100% naturals! i am seeking for 30% naturals!! please tell me where to look?.....vintage Samsara ofcourse does not smell like 100% naturals i told that i dont even like 100% naturals...my only shock came from the fact that there is nothing to choose from in that range...

    so i would love to agree with you when you say naturals and synthetic beeing perfumers palette for his creativity...so tell me a perfume where these 2 are evenly used will be so thankful !! becasue i have smelled everywhere so far found just too few examples
    and started the thread: not to collect points pro and against we dont vote here for anything? but rather sharing informations and opinions
    i just see that i need to spend too much money to even find decent perfume...and then i find it in some vintage stuff that was probably nothing so "exclusive" at a time

    thank you for contributing... ...i love how Cacio responded to this so would love to hear from you perfumes that support this idea that each material has its role to play. Neither one nor the other is better, but all provide a unique function. ...can you name few naturals that are still heavily used in modern perfumery in general? you can group into niche, designer and some extra class?


    thank you lpp for this!! basicly this is how i thought people would answer show examples of their thesis

    oh yes i am trying to quantify the % of naturals beeing used today what is wrong with that? i did not talk about quality of composition but materials, yes to my taste naturals smell more interesting ....i am just seeking something for my taste...i have problem with every other scent...becasue some synthetic notes comes out of it and they just dont give me aromatherapy i need from a scent...its something lot more then just smell like fresh, modern , clean wardrobe ....i need a scent that will touch my soul and i ve noticed it comes only from those that have something natural in it
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    You cannot say with any certainty that "90.0% of perfumery today is built of synthetics". Where is your proof? Even if you were to analyse every fragrance there is, by GC/MS you still would not be able to make that statement. You are basing your entire argument on your personal feelings, and whether you like a particular perfume, or not. Sorry, that is not good enough.

    If you want to use a musical analogy then a Natural material is like a big chord played on a piano, or an organ. A synthetic is like a note struck on a triangle. Both are needed to create a good tune.

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