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    Default Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    I've been watching this forum for quite some time now and my thanks and compliments for all the fantastic advice, information and reviews that I have read. As with all specialised forums, the rookie can feel intimidated and even despondent. Being unable to comprehend the experts can lead to frustration, and I have to question how much is snobbery as well. Is there also a certain amount of Emperor's new clothes syndrome? I mean, how can the likes of Cool Water and Acqua di Gio be so disliked by so many experts whilst being so popular world wide? It doesn't add up.
    I had never even heard of Creed before joining this forum but it was obvious to me that Creed was something special. So off I went to sus it out and yes, they're very nice, even if I haven't the nose to appreciate it. My problem is this, I would love to purchase a couple, probably Adventus and Taberone but you have all put me off. How can I enjoy a fragrance and buy with confidence when you have to be both mathematician and chemist to not get ripped off. I mentioned my concern to the sales lady in Harvey Nichs and she had no idea what I was talking about. At those prices you expect consistency, surely?
    So thanks to the experts with all their great advice and information I will now go without, as I would hate to feel a mug and buy a dodgy batch.
    I thank you all for introducing me to Burberry London which was perfect for my Christmas vacation and snowy days. I thank you for bringing to my attention the genius of Narciso Rodrigez for him which has become my daily choice, and I thank you for bringing back the great memories I have of the Jovans, Tabac, Aqua de silva's of the fragrance world.
    I just wish you hadn't complicated Creed for me as I too would have been converted.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Welcome!

    Popular success and quality don't always go together, not just in perfumery, but everywhere. Otherwise McDonalds would be the pinnacle of gastronomy. That said, many popular things are indeed great. For instance, the cool water you mention received 5 stars, the top score, even from a stubborn perfume critic like Luca Turin.

    Creed is indeed the most controversial brand around here. Most brands have followers and haters, but the problem with Creed is that they were marketing geniuses who were able to create a mistique around the brand, despite some quality control problems like the batch variation you mention. Unfortunately, they are not the only brand to do so (even Amouage is undergoing dilution and quality issues right now). They were just the most successful.

    That said, if you have smelled your way around and they're the ones you like, what's wrong? go for them. Just make sure you smell the batch before you buy to make sure you like it, something you can do if you buy in a store (less so if you buy online).

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Nice post.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    In terms of fragrances, as with many other aspects of life, it's true.

    The more tastes evolve, change etc., the more almost any fragrance preference becomes a slightly more complicated, more challenging, but also, in a certain sense, more rewarding one.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    I agree with cacio-- smell for yourself, draw your own conclusions, and buy or don't buy on that basis.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    I'd have to agree with the sales lady, I don't think I get what you're saying.

    As to your question about the difference between what's popular in the world and what's popular on BN, I think you can attribute this to: a) a difference in interest and purpose and b) a difference in knowledge and experience.

    a) Judging by the most popular threads and themes on BN, most men seem to want fragrance as a social lubricant. It also seems like most people see perfume or cologne the same way they see makeup or other grooming products. Some way or another, the BNer get interested in fragrance for its own sake, rather than as a means.

    b) Once you smell a lot of different stuff, you accumulate knowledge and experience about fragrance most people don't have. EG: GIT smells like Cool Water, which smells like Chez Bond, which all resemble so many other aquatics it gets old. When a seasoned consumer comes across something relatively original and well executed--say HdP 1740--it's a revelation.

    It's also worth mentioning the cost barriers to enjoying fragrance as a hobby. Sampling takes time, effort, money. Most wouldn't be willing to sink so much into something that doesn't do something "useful", like advance their career. Sounds like you've been hooked like the rest of us though. Enjoy the ride, and welcome to BN!

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterhyde View Post
    I just wish you hadn't complicated Creed for me as I too would have been converted.
    In time, you will find that this will become less complicated and confusing.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    People read The Sun and read/watch Harry Potter. Nothing wrong with it. Well, at least with the latter lol. It doesn't mean though that these are the best/most interesting things available. They're just easy to consume/understand/pleasing to most and have great distribution. I'd say that if you learn more about something your tastes often change as you will discover more intriguing/higher quality things.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Thank you all for such swift replies and encouragement. For someone with an addictive personality, the world of fragrances is a very, but VERY dangerous ground to be treading on.
    @null set I appreciate what you say, however even the top range fragrances are in everyone's reach compared to other addictions. Try comparing it with collecting shoes or watches for example, perfumes are nothing. Without wanting to sound blase, even a bottle of Creed is possible for any working man; it might take months or even years to save enough but you will get there. Meanwhile I'm enjoying learning. Thank you all once again and keep on sharing your knowledge.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    It doesn't have to be complicated. Go to a reputable shop, smell a fragrance, buy it if you like it. Don't worry about what people here or anywhere else say. You have to live with it, so you have to like it. Forget the hype. Simple.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Hello misterhyde,

    Whats your taste in general when it comes to food, clothes, anything? Do you go mainstream , are you picky? Do you pay attention to quality of material or just the looks, latest fashion?.....food? Do you care if you are eating nice apple? Can you eat plastic one and wont notice?

    with perfumes it may be simmilar thing, if you have only 2- 3 bottles you use pragmatically then it doesnt matter much, if you plan to spend money there, then be careful, creed is the same as any designers......if you dont agree then you know what to do:-)

    I suggest you spend 300 usd sampling, include creeds samples....or 400 usd....then buy 3- 4 frags you wont need forum for an advice, dont collect unless they are vintage, very high quality ingredients, because synthetic stuff will stay here for ever and you will be able to buy them any time in the future too, so buy only those stuff that wont exist in 4- 5 years time, i think this same creed will be there in 5 years the same, frags are almost 100 % synthetic by now:-)

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Even as I try more and more niche fragrances, I still love designers like Cool Water, Acqua Di Gio and Le Male. And they'll always be in my collection.

    A lot of Basenoters have gotten sick of the same old and want to be a bit different from the average Joe.

    After the same old for years, I think there grows to be resentment. It depends where you are in your journey. At first, AdG and Cool Water are great, but people who are really into fragrances get tired of them and want to try something new.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    You're quite right Kagey when you say buy what you like. The problem is that unless you join forums such as this one you wouldn't even know half the things exist. You'd continue believing that Rolex is the only luxury watch, Clarks and kickers would have the same significance as Crockett and Jones and Aldens Shell Cordovan, a Matalan suit, shirt and tie would be perceived the same as a Super 180's Huddersfield Worsted Savile Row bespoke suit or a T&A Egyptian cotton shirt; I think you get my gist.
    @iivanita. I'm refusing to take this interest all the way. Please believe me when I say I have already enough hobbies and passions to keep me busy and broke. If I can in time achieve reasonable knowledge in order to understand half what the experts are experiencing I'll be happy.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    If it's any consolation, Creed has seemingly improved their quality control issues, at least in terms of consistency in the juice. I've tried most of the 2012 millesimes, and I'd say they're all great (if you like the scent, of course) and there's little to no noticeable variation in scent, which is most important to me. They're still plagued with leaky sprayers, ill-fitting caps, and labels and stickers that are bubbled or misaligned, which is unfortunate for a luxe brand, but they've seemingly got the fragrances under control for the most part. Hopefully that will spark a little more confidence in the brand. Not my favorite house, but they are certainly worth a sniff, especially since their fragrances are often used as a reference point in the fragrance community. No need for consternation!

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Thank you Baldini, that's exactly what I needed to hear. In do like some of their scents, Taberone, GIT, Adventus, in that order. If variation is not noticeable to the layperson I'm happy. Leaky sprayers, ill fitting caps and non perfect labels is, in my opinion, disgraceful.

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    @ noirdrakkar I think your current top 10 says it all, "(subject to change)"
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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    In a simple sentence, don't sweat the Creed batch talk. I have 10 bottles, nothing what so ever wrong with any of them. Purchase a couple you really like and enjoy them. Certainly don't let the mumbo jumbo rob you of it.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Research, try, buy if you like.
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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    Concern sorted. Thank you all for your constructive input. I've tried them, I like them, and today I shall go to Harvey Nichs and buy them. Taberone and GIT to commence, I think.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    I really enjoy Taberome, great choice! Give Silver Mountain Water at try as well.

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    Default Re: Very often, the more you know, the more complicated it gets.

    I disagree. Based on experience the more you know the simpler it gets. It only gets complicated when you know a little but think you know a lot. Generalization about Basenoters is probably one of those symptoms.

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