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    Default Creed Fragrance Analysis

    As we have established from previous research conducted by several members, the House of Creed, at least the fragrance wing of it, didn’t exist until the early 1970s. It is often said that Olivier Creed has had some of the most talented vision in the past century churning out masterpiece after masterpiece such as Royal English Leather, Vintage Tabarome, Bois de Portogual, etc. But many of his fragrances, however brilliant they may be, are mere copies of earlier classics (whose structure and quality have diminished greatly) reworked to their former glory and embellished with the highest grade ingredients possible; this was Creed’s strategy in the early 1970s and 1980s before turning inevitably to mediocrity. Let us examine some cognates:

    1) Selection Verte: Jacques Fath Green Water
    2) Royal English Leather: Coty l’Origan
    3) Royal Scottish Lavender: Caron pour un Homme/Jicky/Mouchoir de Monsieur
    4) Bois de Santal: Chanel Bois des Iles
    5) Green Irish Tweed: Cool Water
    6) Bois de Cédrat: Guerlain Fleurs de Cedrat
    7) Cuir de Russie: Chanel Cuir de Russie (vintage parfum of course)
    8) Orange Spice: Kouros
    9) Feuilles Verte: the jasmine note is the same as the long lost Dukes of Pall Mall Cotswold

    Don't get me wrong; there are several fragrances in the above list that I couldn't live without. These are just some of my ideas about how Creed pumped out so many masterpieces encompassing the tastes of decades if not centuries in such a short period time.

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    Yeah, Creed has both innovated a lot and copied. But in the end, their quality is peerless.

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    We should be thankful that Creed has preserved some of these classic styles that are long dead despite their claims the fragrances are their own handed down from generation to generation serving various deceased monarchs and stars of the silver screen (conveniently unable to confirm or deny said allegation).
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    Default Re: Creed Fragrance Analysis

    They are now the house that others try to copy. So many modern masterpieces... No house can come close IMO. I can't wait for their next masculine release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    But in the end, their quality is peerless.
    Huh? There are many fragrance lines that match, and better Creed in terms of quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokaba View Post
    5) Green Irish Tweed: Cool Water
    Wrong way round there, chap. Green Irish Tweed was introduced in 1985, and Cool Water came three years later.

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    I've not been particularly thrilled with many of Creed's recent releases. Most of the Milesime line (perhaps with the exception of Neroli Sauvage) is mere functional dross in the vein of Calvin Klein, Tommy, Ralph Lauren (but don't forget his great Safari and Polo Crest), etc. In my opinion, Creed's last great fragrance in the classical style was Feuille Verte released in 2006 and re-released in 2011--the last dying cry of a bygone era!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    Yeah, Creed has both innovated a lot and copied. But in the end, their quality is peerless.
    You must be joking ? Are you ? Peerless ?

    I think not. Have you ever heard of Santa Maria Novella, Miller Harris, Tom Ford Private Blends, Il Profumo, L'artisan Parfumers, Parfum D'Empire, Amouage, Yves Saint Laurant, Mona di Orio, Christian Dior, Chanel, Renaissance, MPG, Histoires des Parfums, Birley.......etc. We could sit here forever and list them off. There are also many designer fragrance ( current and d/c'd) that match/surpass Creed's quality.
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    Let's not get too confrontational in this thread. I merely intended to espouse an idea about the origins of certain fragrances and see whether or not the community agreed or disagreed. I do, however, agree that Creed is not peerless as a rule but only in a few exceptional cases (e.g. Bois de Santal, Vintage Tabarome, etc.).

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    Ok, GIT and Aventus are Classics, worthy of purchase...lately the house has ridden on its tattered and worn coat tails, propelled mainly by the cheerleaders who sing the praises of every mediocre fragrance they churn out. Are we forgetting The Infamous Royal Water? or the forgettable Zeste Mandarine Pamplemousse ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokaba View Post
    Let's not get too confrontational in this thread. I merely intended to espouse an idea about the origins of certain fragrances and see whether or not the community agreed or disagreed. I do, however, agree that Creed is not peerless as a rule but only in a few exceptional cases (e.g. Bois de Santal, Vintage Tabarome, etc.).
    Apologies for that bokoba. I really want to try out some Royal Scottish Lavender now ! I've been really putting it off, but I've really appreciated Caron pour un Homme, MdM and Jicky over the last little while. I hope it has better longevity than the two Guerlains. The Caron is decent in that department.

    I'm also a huge fan of Orange Spice. Kouros is just too heavy on incense for me and there is something that rubs me the wrong way. I am certainly glad Creed is around and appreciate many of the "grey caps"....and now that I know what REL was based off on, I want to try Coty L'Origan ( if that is something someone can find around still ).
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    Default Re: Creed Fragrance Analysis

    Is it possible that some of the "earlier classics" that may have given Creed his motivation to copy may have also copied from earlier classics?

    And which Creed fragrances have been true originals? Do we know? If we are going to berate them for copying, we need to also praise them for their creations.

    I see this all going 'round and 'round and there's no way to prove, with certainty, who was first. And even if we could, I don't know that I would care that much. I doubt ANY house hasn't copied someone else a time, or two. In other words, I can't imagine that any house has 100% ORIGINAL creations.
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    Default Re: Creed Fragrance Analysis

    I just know I like the house and the fragrances and am happy I own 29 of them.

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    Well, you can call it "functional dross" all you want to. For my money, I'll wear Millesime Imperial till I die or until I find a better smelling scent. I may die tomorrow, but I haven't found a better smelling scent after over four years of pretty constant searching.

    And I don't think Creed is any more derivative than any other house. As a prior poster pointed out, GIT is the source, Cool Water is the copy. Millesime Imperial, to my knowledge, was an original scent, copied shamelessly by a generation of aquatics. Virgin Island Water may be a simple scent, but it's unique in its execution. Even Silver Mountain Water is pretty unique and original. And while I personally don't enjoy Aventus, I cannot see how anyone would think it's not original.

    I criticize Creed for sometimes having inconsistent smells, but will defend its recent offerings. I don't own 29 like hednic, but I think I have bottles of MI, GIT, VIW, and SMW, and really enjoy all of them. I like a larger percentage of Creeds than any other house.

    And, by the way, I don't think anyone's established that Creed's "fragrance wing didn't exist until the early 1970s." Perhaps I am misinformed, in which case I'd love to hear evidence (not typical internet speculation). I hear a lot of uninformed guesswork and a lot of complaints about lack of proof. But to the best of my knowledge, Creed says it made individual fragrances for specific clients far earlier, though perhaps not a wide scale; and that its fragrance manufacture gradually expanded over time as its offerings became more requested and popular. I have seen no proof that this is not exactly what happened.
    Current Top Five:

    1. Creed Green Irish Tweed
    2. Tom Ford Neroli Portofino
    3. Hermes Concentre d'Orange Verte
    4. Bond No. 9 New Haarlem
    5. Creed Original Vetiver

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    Thanks for sharing the insights. An interesting overview of this fragrance house's development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    I just know I like the house and the fragrances and am happy I own 29 of them.
    WOW. that is a lot of Creed. I have approx. 14 and I like them all. I don't really care when and how they started and if they copied other fragrances. I just love what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    But in the end, their quality is peerless.
    Right... Sure.
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    1) Portrait of a Lady original formula (EdP Frédéric Malle)
    2) Giorgio for Men vintage/V.I.P. for Men (Giorgio Beverly Hills)
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    Anat Fritz Original Formula and Classical (Anat Fritz) - tie
    4) Lalfeorosa (O'driù) - tie

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    Les Nombres d'Or Vetyver (Mona di Orio)
    7) Captain vintage (Molyneux)
    8) Tzora (Anat Fritz)
    9) Javanese Patchouli (Zegna) - tie
    9) Monsieur de Givenchy vintage (Givenchy) - tie
    9) Coeur de Vetiver Sacré (L'Artisan) - tie
    9) X for Men (Clive Christian) - tie
    9) Patou pour Homme Privé (Jean Patou) - tie
    9) Oud Shamash (The Different Company) - tie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes65 View Post
    Ok, GIT and Aventus are Classics, worthy of purchase...lately the house has ridden on its tattered and worn coat tails, propelled mainly by the cheerleaders who sing the praises of every mediocre fragrance they churn out. Are we forgetting The Infamous Royal Water? or the forgettable Zeste Mandarine Pamplemousse ???
    Huh? Aventus just came out a few years ago, as did Royal Oud, and Windsor. What about Virgin Island Water, Original Vetiver, Original Santal, and Himalaya - all came out since Royal Water (and didn't Zeste Mandarine Pamplemousse come out in 1975?)
    All these are admired by a great many people on Basenotes, and have been copied by other houses. It seems like Creed just keeps getting better each decade - not riding on any coat tails of their past.

    And personally I would take Royal Water in a heartbeat over 80% of the other fragrances out there.

    NO house releases 100% hits. IMO, Creed comes closest.

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    Creed is the only house I could build a wardrobe from and be happy with for the rest of my life. I own seven of them and they are all fantastic. Best house I've found so far, the search continues though.
    Currently wearing: Jardins d'Amalfi by Creed

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    Creed's scents are largely natural fresh scents, which I usually love. A lot of Basenoters love dirty, musty, powdery, earthy fragrances, so I would imagine they would roll their eyes. Enjoy your stank Kouros and vetiver-amber bombs, I'll stick with my Creeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    And I don't think Creed is any more derivative than any other house. As a prior poster pointed out, GIT is the source, Cool Water is the copy. Millesime Imperial, to my knowledge, was an original scent, copied shamelessly by a generation of aquatics. Virgin Island Water may be a simple scent, but it's unique in its execution. Even Silver Mountain Water is pretty unique and original. And while I personally don't enjoy Aventus, I cannot see how anyone would think it's not original.
    GIT, Millesime Imperial, Silver Mountain Water, Virgin Island Water, Aventus, and Royal Oud are definitely original scents. No fathers I can truly trace to any of those styles.

    And to think Millesime Imperial and Silver Mountain Water were created first in 1995........it's mind-blowing to have that kind of timeless foresight.

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    I agree.
    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    Yeah, Creed has both innovated a lot and copied. But in the end, their quality is peerless.

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    so in the end, Creed is a rip-off version of the cheapies
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    Default Re: Creed Fragrance Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    And, by the way, I don't think anyone's established that Creed's "fragrance wing didn't exist until the early 1970s." Perhaps I am misinformed, in which case I'd love to hear evidence (not typical internet speculation). I hear a lot of uninformed guesswork and a lot of complaints about lack of proof. But to the best of my knowledge, Creed says it made individual fragrances for specific clients far earlier, though perhaps not a wide scale; and that its fragrance manufacture gradually expanded over time as its offerings became more requested and popular. I have seen no proof that this is not exactly what happened.
    How could it be proved that something did not exist? There would be no evidence to find. The lack of evidence is the proof, no?

    The burden of proof must be on those that believe that Creed has been making fragrances for over 200 years. What other house that has been making perfume that long has left no trace of it's work? No antique flacons, advertisements, documents, ... nothing?
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    The only two houses I can think of off the cuff that have documentary evidence of their old age are Guerlain (late 19th C) and Farina Gegenuber (early 18th C, though it has surely gone through many different families and owners). I have yet to see any documentary evidence that Creed is old as it claims. The only known documented mention of Creed before 19700 was in a book written by Charles Creed, Olivier's uncle, who briefly discussed the family's tailoring business at the end of the 19th Century. I agree the burden of proof must be on those proposing that Creed is however many centuries old. I suppose I could write a letter (in French of course) to Olivier Creed asking him, but I suspect he either would not reply or send some response deeply steeped in his house's own purported mythology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubegon View Post
    How could it be proved that something did not exist? There would be no evidence to find. The lack of evidence is the proof, no?

    The burden of proof must be on those that believe that Creed has been making fragrances for over 200 years. What other house that has been making perfume that long has left no trace of it's work? No antique flacons, advertisements, documents, ... nothing?
    I totally understand where you're coming from, and I recognize the whole "proving-a-negative" evidentiary issue.

    The problem, though, is that Creed doesn't think it has to prove its lineage, and I can't say I blame it. It's not as if we are in a court of law here. To date, Creed hasn't offered up any physical evidence I know of that proves that it made colognes on a wide scale earlier than 1970 or so; as far as I know, bokaba is dead right on that score. But why should it? Just to satisfy us?

    In the final analysis, I really don't care if Creed made colognes for more than a few decades, or whether its marketing representations are accurate (though I suspect, after accounting for puffery, they are probably more true than not). All I care about is what's in the bottle. For me, Creeds as a whole smell fantastic, and are still unique; and when I buy them at discounters the prices are high, but fair. And that's why I wear them.

    And I still say that I am unaware, to get back to the original topic, that MI, GIT, VIW, SMW, or Aventus (to take just a few modern Creeds) were copied from any other cologne that smelled remotely similar -- although many other companies have copied them.
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    1. Creed Green Irish Tweed
    2. Tom Ford Neroli Portofino
    3. Hermes Concentre d'Orange Verte
    4. Bond No. 9 New Haarlem
    5. Creed Original Vetiver

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    There's no question in my mind that Creed creates quality frags (MI and GIT are without peer) but I refuse to buy into the mythology they created. I also don't think their price is justifiable in comparison to their knockoffs.

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    Interesting. History or not, it's quality. I just think the prices are a bit honorary.
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    I personally don't care about the history. I just care about the fact that they consistently knock out high-quality classy fragrances. Out of the many many Creeds I've tried, I can only name two that I wouldn't find bottle worthy. That in itself is pretty impressive IMO. I can't really say that about any other house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post
    Huh? There are many fragrance lines that match, and better Creed in terms of quality.
    EXACTLY. Creed makes some excellent fragrances, but to suggest they're "peerless" is a few miles over the top. I wouldn't put Creed above Amouage, By Killian, Serge Lutens, Frederic Malle, L'Artisan, etc etc etc. Andy Tauer hasn't even been a perfumer for a decade, but some of his fragrances are among the best of the best.

    Creed has many peers. Their work is excellent, but to put them on a pedestal above all others is just silly hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliDude View Post
    I personally don't care about the history. I just care about the fact that they consistently knock out high-quality classy fragrances.
    I agree 100%. The history is marketing, and much of it may be untrue, but I don't care. All that matters to me is the scent. How does it smell, how does it wear, and how much does it cost? That's all I care about. I'm no Creed fanboy, but I enjoy their fragrances very much. Even the ones that don't suit my tastes have still impressed me.
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