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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes65 View Post
    LOL just teasing...Touchy touchy Creed people!
    No one here is being touchy but you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougczar View Post
    LOL - I'm still waiting to get on the Creed payroll... Not sure why they haven't called me yet...



    Question - I had never heard of Creed before joining BN last year... I don't read every magazine or watch everything on TV, but after hearing about all this ridiculous Creed marketing, I have been paying attention to any advertising for fragrances in print or TV. I haven't seen any - could someone point me to a few places where I can read / see their claims? I am curious to see some of the claims they make (in their marketing, not an interview with someone who works there).
    If you look on fragrantica they have little blurbs about the fragrances from Creed. Most of them aren't talking about models or actors, but they do have some pretty interesting "back stories" if you choose to believe them.

    Also, I love all the drama that always surrounds Creed in the fragrance community. When did we all become 13 year old girls? If you like the fragrances, great. If you don't, fine. Calling something a con just comes off as petty.

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    I think it's all human hype.

    With natural ingredients there's room for slight difference in prominent notes (wouldn't consider this quality control).

    The more popular bottles are going to get the most input from users when it comes to this topic, which in turns spreads the pandemonium.
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    I'm sort of new to this sort of high end fragrance stuff. My fragrances had always been designer EDTs and EDPs. I think Hermes products were the most expensive thing I owned.

    Very recently, and after reading the reviews and opinions here at BN, I blind bought my first Creed...a 50ml split of Aventus. I liked it so much that I bought another 50ml split. The batch these came from is fantastic in terms of longevity, projection and smell.

    So, I decided I wanted to try another blind buy with Creed. After reading all the opinions here at BN of all the different Creeds, I decided to buy a 4oz bottle of GIT last week at Beauty Encounter for $113. WOW! This is very nice smelling and it lasts at least 8-10 hours on me. Last night, I ordered one more bottle of GIT(hoping I get the same batch) because it's so nice and quite honestly the price is definitely a good value imo.

    I guess I got lucky with the Creeds I bought so far. They really are excellent imo.

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    I repeat, if it's true what I've read, why wouldn't you market your quality product with quality labels, lids, atomizers etc. It doesn't make sense, unless you really don't care about reputation.

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    No facts, just my gut & $.02...

    Another major flaw: loss of control over its distribution channel(s). For such luxury products positioned as such it is so important to maintain control. In the U.S., you've got Nieman Marcus, for instance, that offers up GIT 4oz at around $315. Same price as the Creed Boutique in NY. I don't know who else in the U.S. is considered an 'authorized distributor' but I'd be rather surprised if all authorized dealers did not adhere to suggested minimum MSRP policy as well as, perhaps, certain handling standards. Enter parallel imports or the grey market issue and you've got perfume discounters and folks like k-mart selling the same for half and maybe even a third as much as the authorized distributors.

    How do they do that? Well, the folks at Creed certainly distribute their product to other countries -- hell, we've all seen the literature insert that is translated into how many different languages. These other countries might even have been charged as much by Creed as the authorized distributors in the U.S. (for the sake of discussion, let's assume they are charged $50 for GIT 4 oz). Perhaps the distributor in the UAE does not see much demaind for Creed in his shop. A jobber friend of his offers to pay him $75 for each GIT 4 oz, etc. Perhaps the lot ID is scratched off at some time along the continuum or not. The jobber then sells the lot to K-Mart or The Fragrance Shop for $100. They, in turn, are willing to sell it to us for maybe $125-150. They don't carry the same overhead and other issues as a NM and they cater to a different class or consumer profile. In such a scenario, Creed lost all control over its product once it left the UAE distributor. For all anyone knows, such shipments might sit for days, weeks, or months in cargo containers on hot airport tarmacs or shipping ports. Perhaps the handling of these shipments account for 'batch' variations, poor label adhesion, etc.

    Does Creed care? Well they should. But if they're making $50/GIT 4 oz whether it is sold through NM or to the UAE distributor in the above scenario, perhaps they don't care either way. Their reputation will suffer if they don't do anything about it. It drives their authorized dealers batshit (e.g. queue in the ms. bond no. 9 story) -- when confronted by a prospective customer asking why he should shell out $315 when he can get it online for $165... what's the authorized dealer supposed to say? Some of them probably say that the $165 GIT is a fake. I believe this is exactly what we have been witnessing the last few years with this house.

    Will it spell their doom? Dunno. I don't care much about the issue because, to me in retrospect, Creed is a gateway house. When I was cutting my teeth, I quickly obtained GIT, OV, OS, SMW, VIW, Erolfa, Himalaya, and Tabarome Mill. I rarely reach for any of them these days other than OV (I like my Orange Spice samples too, but the samples will do me just fine I think). I like Aventus and Royal Oud just fine, as well, but have little interest in even paying discount prices for them.
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    Creed's quality control issues go well beyond batch variations. My bottle of Aventus arrived with the label peeling off and a very loose cap. At its price point, the bottle shouldn't be wrapped in a sticker, but that's beside the point. Creed is well known for faulty/leaky sprayers as well.

    The juice is high quality. The bottle? Not so much. That's a shame too, since Creed bottles have such an excellent appearance overall.
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    I've been using Creed products for about 15 years (had to edit, forgot how to count). They have all come from Neimans. I have never had one sprayer malfunction in any way possible. They are the best atomizer in the industry by far. Peeling label? Ok, maybe they need to go back to R&D to find a better glue.

    As far as batch variations, i really don't know. I have never noticed a difference. I thought i did a couple times, but then the next time i smelled, it smelled normal. This was with Original Santal.

    Longevity and batches? I don't understand at all. I recently opened my back up bottle of SMW. I saw a thread about SMW batch variations. Slamming a particular batch, saying that it only lasts a couple hours. I go look at my bottle, its this batch. Whivh i had been wear already for a few days. It smells and lasts the same as always.

    I think people are buying crap off of ebay or discounters, and they're getting a totally different experience. B) They're liars. This is an internet forum, plenty of those. C) Crazy?

    The only creed i will say is terrible in all departments is VIW. I just don't like the scent at all. And it lasts about 2 hours.
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    But if there were no batch variations then there would be no reason to start 6,000 redundant threads on basenotes about batch variations. It would be a great loss to the community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElVee View Post
    Keep in mind Creed is a premium product, and gets treated as such. Do you want a mass-reprinted piece of art on your wall or a hand-painted item that is #5 in a lot of 50 done by the artist? The latter may have variations.

    Likewise, you're talking also about people who have probably shelled out a pretty penny for the luxury of owning a Creed frag. I myself fall into the trap of defending and even over-inflating my opinion of something just because it's mine and my choice and my money that I spent. It's almost snobbish or elitist, but sometimes it's just someone being overly defensive about their investment.
    I don't agree...You talk of Creed like it is the only niche ever made...There are a lot of niche houses JUST AS GOOD and they don't have the wild variations. The "limited edition" analogy doesn't make sense...Your Aventus wasn't "hand made" like you imply. And as for being defensive over shelling out a lot of money, I own GIT, AVENTUS, and MI, so I have an investment. I'm just not overly defensive and sensitive about them. I see them as well made frags. on par with MANY other well made frags.
    I tire of this...so I will let it go at this...let's agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OctaVariuM View Post
    If you look on fragrantica they have little blurbs about the fragrances from Creed. Most of them aren't talking about models or actors, but they do have some pretty interesting "back stories" if you choose to believe them.

    Also, I love all the drama that always surrounds Creed in the fragrance community. When did we all become 13 year old girls? If you like the fragrances, great. If you don't, fine. Calling something a con just comes off as petty.

    Thanks - yes, I have see the fragrantica blurb before. I can't imagine that is what all the Creed bashing is about when the refer to their "marketing".


    Sounds like the Creed hating is mostly
    1) about a few batch inconsistencies - but never bring up the constant reformulations other houses do. I don't hear about Creed reformulations - is the GIT today the same as it was 10 years ago? Can people name some of the Creed fragrances today that have undergone reformulation?

    2) about the royal history they "claim"- if it is true, then who cares? if it is not, then who cares? - It sounds like a straw man argument that people create just so they can criticize, since I am not aware of any Creed marketing - the blurb on fragrantica hardly counts as "marketing". I saw many commercials showing Tiger Woods driving a Buick. If you really think a young multi-millionaire cruises around in a Buick. What do you think the point of marketing is?

    3) Price - but they are cheaper or right in line with most Amouage products, Heeley, Bond No. 9, Tauer, by Kilian, and many other fragrance houses.

    4) about Creed likers - saying "they see no wrong", "think everything about Creed is perfect", etc... I have yet to see a single Basenoter claim Creed is perfect. This is another straw man argument. It seems like it is the Creed haters that are more interested in pushing their views (and they usually come back to these 4 things, which, by the way, have nothing to do with how good the juice smells).


    If you have labels peeling off, you may have a fake - or one that has been so mistreated along its journey it might as well be - I have never had any problems with anything like that. I don't like the misfiring Aventus nozzle, but the others seem to work ok. However, I usually get all my Creed products from "proper" channels, not off the back of someones truck.

    If you don't like a fragrance by them (for me it's Baie de Genievre, MI, SMW, and Tabarome), thats fine. But they make 12 that I do find bottle worthy. And I have not found a house that even comes close to that. I am not defensive (I have no personal interest in the company), nor do I feel I need to justify my investment - they have been some of my best purchases I have made.

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    yall just hate creed cuz yall too poor to buy one

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    Well, with my one GIT bottle in hand(and another one on the way), AND my two 50ml splits of Aventus purchased through BN, I'm ready for some good smellin' and good lovin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OctaVariuM View Post
    ... When did we all become 13 year old girls? If you like the fragrances, great. If you don't, fine. Calling something a con just comes off as petty.
    I'm not sure what 13 year old girls you are around. I guess it is a cliche, so it works for an analogy. The best insulting and arguing that occurs is always with "grown" adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    But if there were no batch variations then there would be no reason to start 6,000 redundant threads on basenotes about batch variations. It would be a great loss to the community.
    Because this is a forum. And this is where people come to either talk about perfume, or complain. Even If you rounded up every single active member of basenotes, gave them $350 and made them go buy a bottle from the creed boutique, creed would be in MAJOR trouble financially.

    Internet complainers are a very small slice of the fanbase of a popular product. And just like with anything else, if you get too popular, you're going to have those people that are too cool for you all of the sudden.

    6000 threads on batch variations? Where would they have even got the idea if there wasn't a thread before it that they saw? But they feel what they have to say is more important, so they start a new thread.

    Dissect the huge creed batch # thread? 25% pertinent info, 75% whiners/arguing.

    I think there might be slight variations in the smell, MAYBE. MI smells the same as it did to me in the late 90's. But these guys that jump in a say, OMG MY AVENTUZ LASTS ONLY 45 SECONDS, F*CK CREED! Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphexacid View Post
    Even If you rounded up every single active member of basenotes, gave them $350 and made them go buy a bottle from the creed boutique, creed would be in MAJOR trouble financially.
    Wait. What? Creed is in MAJOR trouble financially?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noteworthy View Post
    I'm sort of new to this sort of high end fragrance stuff. My fragrances had always been designer EDTs and EDPs. I think Hermes products were the most expensive thing I owned.

    Very recently, and after reading the reviews and opinions here at BN, I blind bought my first Creed...a 50ml split of Aventus. I liked it so much that I bought another 50ml split. The batch these came from is fantastic in terms of longevity, projection and smell.

    So, I decided I wanted to try another blind buy with Creed. After reading all the opinions here at BN of all the different Creeds, I decided to buy a 4oz bottle of GIT last week at Beauty Encounter for $113. WOW! This is very nice smelling and it lasts at least 8-10 hours on me. Last night, I ordered one more bottle of GIT(hoping I get the same batch) because it's so nice and quite honestly the price is definitely a good value imo.

    I guess I got lucky with the Creeds I bought so far. They really are excellent imo.
    How did you get it so cheap. $113 is really low. Did you use a code or something. I just checked beauty encounter and they had it for $128.

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    Creed is just another house with average quality to me

    i fell for the hype, and now gotta live with the consequences

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    Quote Originally Posted by catlettsl View Post
    How did you get it so cheap. $113 is really low. Did you use a code or something. I just checked beauty encounter and they had it for $128.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    Wait. What? Creed is in MAJOR trouble financially?
    You should probably re-read that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dailey View Post
    I love Creed Frags, but batch variations aside, loose fitting caps and peeling labels (the black wrap on both my Aventus bottles) peeling is inexcusable.
    +1 regarding the peeling label on my Aventus. Didn't like that at all. I too also see some of the loose fitting caps and completely agree that it's inexcusable. When we're paying top dollar for a bottle of fragrance, we don't need to be dealing with that.

    Regarding the batch variations, I haven't really experienced it. The only "variation" I do see is between Creed's official samples vs the full bottles. The juice in the samples are typically inferior and smell much less natural than when I try the juice from a full bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes65 View Post
    See!!! Creed lovers are sooooo touchy and over-protective. Notice no one jumped to "defend the good name" of Amouage...
    That's what I find so weird about it. It's so odd.

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    Edit. Too much Haterade. Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    I heard from fairly reputable sources that in order to stay true to their ancient & illustrious heritage Creed fragrances are still meticulously blended by hand, by the dwarves no less, deep in their mountain caverns where it's always dark and cold. It's impossible for truly artisanal handcrafted products to be identical, hence the so called batch variations.






    Can we use the term "DWARVES" here?

    Can we use the term "sprayer malfunction"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernier_Cri View Post
    Can we use the term "DWARVES" here?

    Can we use the term "sprayer malfunction"?
    I think that dwarves has established itself as an acceptable term.

    Not eager to hear about other dudes sprayer malfunctions.

    Apart from that I have no concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgoc View Post
    Creed is the biggest con known to the mankind. (perfumed-mankind)
    Totally agree --- Overpriced, not the greatest on quality & very inconsistent with rgds 2 their batches...

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    I haven't tried all the Creeds, but of those I tried I only like Royal Oud. To me, most them them are boring. I don't understand why people like Aventus so much. It smells mundane to me.

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    There's snobbism in all hobbies and all snobbism is to some degree a matter of self-deception, or con if you will. My issue with Creed, specifically, is that the brand is a bit tacky. The cooked up history, the fake royal insignia, cliche like elegance of the design while the quality of the flasks is poor. If you go snobby about vintage Givenchys and Guerlains, at least it's genuine, but Creed feels fake to me. That said, I really like several of their fragrances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDDP View Post
    Creed is just another house with average quality to me

    i fell for the hype, and now gotta live with the consequences

    9 bottles of Creed that i have and rarely touch
    This. ^

    I also agree with a previous poster that Creed is a gateway brand. When first getting into fragrances, it is hard not to be pulled into the hype (and yes, threads like this play into the hype and mystique) and I don't regret buying up on Creed early on. They are classics in particular genres - e.g. GIT, MI, BdP, Aventus, Himalaya, Vintage Tabarome, so they remain reference scents - but I don't wear them, as I don't find them very pleasant (Ok - Vintage Tabarome is an exception)- particularly compared to houses like Amouage, Guerlain, Puredistance, Hermes and so on - even Tom Ford. I view Creed as classic designer scents - that's all...

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    Wasn't there a Creed subforum for the same questions to be posted again and again and again and again...?
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    I've said it before, things HAVE settled down some in the past year, but I STILL see the cheerleaders posting things like this: THREAD: What is your favorite tar based frag? POST BY CREED CHEERLEADER: Well, Aventus isn't a tar frag, but you should try it it is the best! I try to avoid the obvious Creed threads (unless I am bored and want a fight) but when they weasel their way into unrelated threads, I guess it bothers me. Now if you excuse me, I'm going to go re-re-glue my Aventus label...BTW it isn't "Fake" I got it from Creed boutique.

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