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    I've read many posts where experts talk about "vintage" or "original"
    Are the manufactures obliged to inform consumers that changes have been made to formulas, and if so, to what extent?
    Do the perfume houses ever make such drastic formula changes as to add or omit notes or are they only subtle ones like changing the percentages of a note.

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    Default Re: Obliged to inform

    There is no obligation to inform.
    Both vast and subtle changes are made in formulas.

    All too often, buyers find out about the changes by buying a bottle of a favorite and finding it altered to its detriment.
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    Default Re: Obliged to inform

    Quote Originally Posted by misterhyde View Post
    Are the manufactures obliged to inform consumers that changes have been made to formulas, and if so, to what extent?
    No obligation as far as I understand.

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    Not only is there no obligation on the manufactures behalf, but their marketing 'machines' go out of there way to deny changes even when they are aware of them.

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    The best example, to date, of a company not caring at all about the fragrance is the change to Miss Dior. The original Miss Dior is a classic chypre launched in 1947. It is important for all sorts or reasons. A new "Miss Dior' has appeared which has nothing to do with the original; in fact it used to be called Miss Dior Cherie, or some such. No warning, no information; nothing. I think the original Miss Dior is now being sold under a new name. There are many other examples of changes without warning, or information. It is easy to compare if you own an older sample of a fragrance, so the excuse of your memory playing tricks doesn't apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    The best example, to date, of a company not caring at all about the fragrance is the change to Miss Dior. The original Miss Dior is a classic chypre launched in 1947. It is important for all sorts or reasons. A new "Miss Dior' has appeared which has nothing to do with the original; in fact it used to be called Miss Dior Cherie, or some such. No warning, no information; nothing. I think the original Miss Dior is now being sold under a new name. There are many other examples of changes without warning, or information. It is easy to compare if you own an older sample of a fragrance, so the excuse of your memory playing tricks doesn't apply.
    Really wondering! specially from a professional house like Dior!

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    Do they never make changes that improve the fragrance? I'm talking about Dior, I'm saying, generally any house. Surely every now and then the changes are an improvement, or am I wrong?

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    Some "reformulations" are forced on them...The powers that be catch wind that some 14 year old in Bangladesh got a rash from the oak moss in a fragrance, and suddenly Oak Moss in any meaningful concentration is banned. Ok, I am exaggerating, but many elements used in "vintage" are no longer available for the manufacture, hence the reformulation.

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    Default Re: Obliged to inform

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes65 View Post
    Some "reformulations" are forced on them...The powers that be catch wind that some 14 year old in Bangladesh got a rash from the oak moss in a fragrance, and suddenly Oak Moss in any meaningful concentration is banned. Ok, I am exaggerating, but many elements used in "vintage" are no longer available for the manufacture, hence the reformulation.
    lol

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    Dior fragrances are no longer owned by Dior but by an organisation known by the acronym of LMVH which specialises in "luxury goods". They have shown, in the past, that they care nothing for what they are selling, simply the profit they make from it.

    Fragrances are reformulated for many reasons; IFRA restrictions/regulations, and EU or USA regulations being amongst those reasons. As far as I am aware, no reformulation has ever been disclosed;indeed no reformulation has ever been admitted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes65 View Post
    Some "reformulations" are forced on them...The powers that be catch wind that some 14 year old in Bangladesh got a rash from the oak moss in a fragrance, and suddenly Oak Moss in any meaningful concentration is banned. Ok, I am exaggerating, but many elements used in "vintage" are no longer available for the manufacture, hence the reformulation.
    Reformulations were being done long before oakmoss bans...etc. Company's care mainly about the "bottom line" and stock prices.
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    They're not obliged to inform because we haven't obligated them to inform us.

    for swap/sale:





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