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    Default Body Odor as a complement to a fragrance

    From Wikipedia:

    "Between the 16th and 17th century, perfumes were used primarily by the wealthy to mask body odors resulting from infrequent bathing. Partly due to this patronage, the perfumery industry was created."

    So, modern perfumery originated from stinky rich people who wanted to mask their body odor. They could stay one year or more without bathing, but the colognes would save them from smelling like animals.

    So my question is this: Have you ever mixed body odor with a perfume? For example, have you ever forgotten to use deodorant in a hot day, but remembered to spray your perfume? What was the reaction of people to your smell and what was your own appreciation of the experience?

    Does BO + Perfume = sexier smell?

    Remember that there are many perfumes that have basenotes that resemble body odor. MKK is the perfect example. These perfumes are often considered the sexier ones. Maybe there is something good about mixing body odor with freshness and flowers.

    What do you think?

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    Body odor is never acceptable IMO
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    Body Odour plus fragrance can be a sexy smell. I think that is why, even up to the 60s fragrances had quite an animalic vibe. People didn't wash quite as often or as thoroughly as they do now. Deodorants weren't as effective, washing clothes wasn't as effective; men rarely used a deodorant at all as it was considered "feminine", ring any bells? Personally I enjoy fragrances with an animalic, body smell and do not enjoy the squeeky clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Smelly Scientist View Post
    Body odor is never acceptable IMO
    Agree.

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    I forgot to add that I think Americans and Europeans diverge on this topic. I found a lot of people with BO in Europe, but none with BO in the US. I don't want to generalize. I am merely speaking from my personal experience.

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    I think only Tarzan Lord Of The Jungle can get away with bad BO, but for the rest us showering and fragrances do the job. lol
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    Can you imagine being next to someone and smelling their dirty armpits mixed with whatever perfume they have on and thinking that is sexy at all? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Can you imagine being next to someone and smelling their dirty armpits mixed with whatever perfume they have on and thinking that is sexy at all? No.

    Have you seen that comedy, "A Fish Called Wanda", where Kevin Kline plays an italian who keeps smelling his own armpits while making passionate love to Jamie Lee Curtis?

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    If a person can afford to buy a fragrance, they should definetly afford to buy soap

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    Have you seen that comedy, "A Fish Called Wanda", where Kevin Kline plays an italian who keeps smelling his own armpits while making passionate love to Jamie Lee Curtis?
    I would accept a little BO from Jaime Lee Curtis in 1983 (that mirror scene in Trading Places....)
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    I think the smell of skin can be sexy, with the right fragrance even more so. Not wearing deodorant for one day will not make the average person smell like BO. My husband and I have been together 6 years and he never wears deodorant. EVER. He doesn't stink. He even works construction. I think people in the US and Canada are so hung up on sanitation that it borders on unhealthy. But that is just my opinion.
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    It depends on the BO, and probably on who is smelling it. I've always found the smell of my current partner sexy -- and more, known a relationship was over when suddenly their smell (not merely their BO, everything about their body) became disgusting. I've also never been able to date multiple people simultaneously -- either I'm with one person, in which case they smell "right" and everyone else smells "wrong", or nobody smells "right" and I eel out of dating anyone.

    My current partner, may I say, is the most amazing-smelling of any I've had, and he never uses anything scented because of sundry allergy and eczema issues. He also showers only a couple of times a week, same reason -- his skin is very dry and fragile. And his smell is like a combination of (real) musk and sandalwood.

    I find it interesting, in the current atmosphere of "hookup" culture, that fragrance is becoming more widely accepted across the board -- along with a pathological objection to body hair and insistence on a minimum of daily showers. It seems like ideal conditions in which to avoid connection, really.

    But short answer -- I don't think it's as blissfully simple, ever, as BO=ew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Smelly Scientist View Post
    Body odor is never acceptable IMO
    Everyone has body odour and there's nothing unpleasant about it.
    Perhaps you meant the smell of stale sweat, which I agree can be unpleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Smelly Scientist View Post
    Body odor is never acceptable IMO
    This.
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    There is a big difference between a man who is sweaty for a day and a person who never bathes and lets the sweat ferment. I work with the public and some people smell like a combination of stale urine, mildewed clothes, ripe armpits and stale cigarette smoke. Yuck. On the other hand sweaty people that bathe and dance the night away smell just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akahina View Post
    There is a big difference between a man who is sweaty for a day and a person who never bathes and lets the sweat ferment. I work with the public and some people smell like a combination of stale urine, mildewed clothes, ripe armpits and stale cigarette smoke. Yuck. On the other hand sweaty people that bathe and dance the night away smell just fine.
    When BO is mentioned I think about the ripe armpit person. Clean sweaty person is just fine.

    Also, when perfumes were invented for these wealthy people who didnt bathe for a year, why didnt these people just pay for a bucket of hot water and some soap and take a bath every week or so instead of paying for expensive perfume to splash on for a year. People were so dumb back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Also, when perfumes were invented for these wealthy people who didnt bathe for a year, why didnt these people just pay for a bucket of hot water and some soap and take a bath every week or so instead of paying for expensive perfume to splash on for a year. People were so dumb back then.
    It was widely believed that taking a bath was very risky to your health. People thought they would get sick and die. And to complicate matters even more, the church convinced people that nudity was a bad thing, so people could not go to public baths, as they did during the Roman Empire.

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    lol just just groom yourself properly and wear narciso rodriguez or musc ravager.

    that way you get the animalistic musc without offending
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamia13 View Post
    I think the smell of skin can be sexy, with the right fragrance even more so. Not wearing deodorant for one day will not make the average person smell like BO. My husband and I have been together 6 years and he never wears deodorant. EVER. He doesn't stink. He even works construction. I think people in the US and Canada are so hung up on sanitation that it borders on unhealthy. But that is just my opinion.
    Thank you. A voice of reason! To me, a person's natural smell is way sexier than any perfume - and far different from the extreme of someone who doesn't bathe properly at all. There are degrees. Sure, I want to smell clean when I go to work. But this "no body odor ever" sentiment seems a bit crazy. Like the guy here who once said he jumps out of bed immediately after sex to shower. How uptight is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagey View Post
    Like the guy here who once said he jumps out of bed immediately after sex to shower. How uptight is that?
    I prefer to keep cuddling, for hours. Sex smells good.

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    Default Re: Body Odor as a complement to a fragrance

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post

    Have you ever mixed body odor with a perfume? For example, have you ever forgotten to use deodorant in a hot day, but remembered to spray your perfume? What was the reaction of people to your smell and what was your own appreciation of the experience?

    What do you think?
    Two weeks ago I worked out for about an hour, working up a decently ripe but not stinky sweat (subjective assessment, of course). I walked out of the house without showering, without putting on deodorant, and with healthy application of Czech & Speake's Cuba (i.e., 5-6 sprays). I smelled magnificently. I don't know if this is chemically or biochemically possible (I would guess it is), but my unshowered skin seemed to mellow rather than exacerbate some of the harsher aspects of Cuba (which, to some people - including me - smells a little or a lot poopy).

    I am sure most BNers would agree that fragrances react to our skin and chemistry. It follows that fragrances can (will?) react differently to differing skin conditions, even on the same person, and perhaps even differently than expected as in my Cuba + sweat = better smell than Cuba + clean skin experience.

    Sounds like an experiment waiting to happen.

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    A quote from Francois Demachy :
    "An American marketing man once explained to me the difference between the American idea of sexiness and the European idea " he says. "Europeans take a shower after sex. Americans take a shower before. It's a generalization. But only because it is generally true."

    Personally, I don't think BO is ever to be liked, only tolerated. If it's very minimal, it doesn't detract from fragrance, but it certainly never enhances it.

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    I certainly do not advocate skipping the daily shower/shampoo, however I will say that I do really like the salty, sunburned scent I get on my arms after a training ride. It is a clean skin scent; not in any way gross.

    And *yes* I would argue that it is the perfect "canvas" for applying fragrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    It was widely believed that taking a bath was very risky to your health. People thought they would get sick and die. And to complicate matters even more, the church convinced people that nudity was a bad thing, so people could not go to public baths, as they did during the Roman Empire.
    This is actually a myth. People bathed. They might not have done full submersion, but the idea that people were sewn into their clothes the first day of October and then spent the winter in a muck of stench and lice (while paddling around on a bed of dirty rushes) is untrue.

    And certainly the use of scent is much, much older than that. Archeological evidence for the use of perfume has been found in Ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, ancient Rome, elsewhere -- and whatever else those peoples might have been up to, not bathing regularly was not in it.

    Historically, people wore scent for many of the same reasons we now wear scent -- because they liked it, because they considered it artistic, to increase their seductive powers. Possibly also for ritual or religious reasons. But don't sneer at the ancients; they were, on average, just as intelligent and civilised as we are, and what we call "culture" owes them a lot.

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    Please notice that I mention MODERN perfumery and its origins. In Ancient Greece (500BC) there were perfume houses and rich citizens chose their oil-based fragrances very carefully. Sócrates was against spending idle time at perfume shops. He told this to his disciples.

    But please don't try to convince me that during the middle ages people were clean. Pleople were FILTHY duuring the middle ages. If thhe rich ones stank, you can just imagine how the poor smelt. Humanity went backwards in many aspects, when the roman era ended (500 AD). A Thousand years of darkness and fanaticism and obscurantism ensued.

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    "A thousand years of darkness and fanaticism and obscurantism ensued."

    Also not exactly true, and mostly a libel spread about by the intellectuals of the "Enlightenment", who wanted to trace their scholarly lineage straight back to the Classical period, which they regarded as more pure.

    Just one internet reference: http://www.gallowglass.org/jadwiga/herbs/baths.html -- but there's plenty more where that came from, and more thoroughly researched published scholarship all over the place.

    And just one small piece of evidence for the fact that the medievals were not nearly so backward and anti-science as we would like to believe: http://www.livescience.com/27624-mum...s-anatomy.html

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    Personally I don't wish to smell other people (apart from the girlfriend, who smells delicious, of course), esp other men. It's not all about showering/bathing either. There are 2 people in my house who I know shower, but one reeks of cigarette smoke most of the times, the other simply seems to have a very strange, what I believe to be body, odour wafting out of his flat in the morning. I've never encountered anything like it. I wonder if he knows.

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    Why did the plague happen during the middle ages? Not because some "witches" brought up God´s vengeance (they were burned for that), but because of the population of rats that infested the houses and the filthy streets. The fleas that lived on the rats transmitted the disease.

    During the Roman Era, aqueducts were built so that water was made available to the population. Public baths were built. Have you ever found many remains of medieval public baths? I don´t think so. No No no.

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    It depends where you're looking, for starters; there are medieval public baths in the Mediterranean regions, and in Jewish communities.

    In the second place, why are you so fixated on public baths? People have, and still do in many areas, kept themselves perfectly clean by washing piece by piece in a basin; my own mother did, in Europe in the thirties and forties. The use of public baths, and immersion baths, is not necessarily an indicator of cleanliness.

    In the third place, there are rats, and fleas, and bedbugs, and many other animals living in human settlements today, and they still transmit diseases. The fact that people of that era were unaware of germ theory isn't evidence for filth, either. (There's also a very interesting theory that the Black Death wasn't in fact bubonic plague, but was actually a form of Ebola-like virus.)

    (In the fourth place, I digress, as always. So sorry. Back to your regularly scheduled discussion.)

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    I am talking about established historical evidence. You're not. People were dirtier during the medieval era. I could find thousands of links to substantiate my claim.

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