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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckW View Post
    We have lost some great members, and they have not been replaced with similar quality. It's that simple. Lots of posts on this forum that need to be over on the starting out forum.
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Overzealous moderators (apparently with Grant's support) have over the years banned a number of the most valuable posters, usually for petty or personal reasons (which never should've been allowed).
    That is very sad if true. Personal or petty difference between moderators and poster or contributors to the site is unwarranted.

    Unfortunately moderators have lives to, and sometimes I wish more attention was paid to threads and posts that has been started. Just look for all the silly posts right on the front page of this forum. They should be deleted before they go much further than a few responses, because they have nothing at all to do with what we are discussing and more to do with people just wanting to be a horses behind with a horrible sense of humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    That's all well and good, but let's talk about Aventus.
    Hahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beranium Chotato View Post
    I am still a relative newbie, but I did used to make more of an effort to post here. The frequent downtime sent me to FB where I met many other BN refugees. I continue to enjoy interacting there because people use their real names and indulge less in the bad habits that anonymous posters indulge in. FB groups also tend to be moderated more like house parties, which makes them more familial and "connected"-feeling. The latter is a big upside for me: I will often extend an open invitation to FB BNers to meet in my home, which is something that I would not be comfortable doing here. Ultimately, I think the higher degree of accountability on FB faciliates this sort of trust better. There are downsides, too: I like the public-facing aspect of Basenotes content because anyone searching on the Internet can stumble into the conversation, and that's awesome (it's how I got here). FB groups also tend to be self-selecting, and while that's good for weeding out people who don't have any manners, I don't feel that I always get the full gamut of opinion that I do in a larger community like this..
    I left FB about 7 years ago, but if there's anything that might make me return it's this. I've only been here about 3 years (I think), but every so often I think it's time to go because of some of the things you mention above, and I miss posts like yours and those of a few others who don't seem to be here anymore.

    Edited to add: TWO years! Maybe it just feels like three

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    Don't wanna seem stupid but what is "FB"? FaceBook??

    And while I'm at it, what store is called MiN?

    Is it too much not to assume that people are familiar with countless acronyms? Thanks.

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    FB is facebook

    MiN refers to the Min New york store http://minnewyork.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmBeach View Post
    That is very sad if true. Personal or petty difference between moderators and poster or contributors to the site is unwarranted.

    Unfortunately moderators have lives to, and sometimes I wish more attention was paid to threads and posts that has been started. Just look for all the silly posts right on the front page of this forum. They should be deleted before they go much further than a few responses, because they have nothing at all to do with what we are discussing and more to do with people just wanting to be a horses behind with a horrible sense of humor.

    I think you are right.
    Silliness is all very well but it should maybe be limited.
    Unfortunately it is a natural reaction for me against all this crap that gets talked about Aventus. (And others, but especially Aventus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooner3029 View Post
    FB is facebook

    MiN refers to the Min New york store http://minnewyork.com/
    Thank you.

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    especially missed are off-scenter and scentemental. does anybody know if they currently post anywhere?
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    The same thing has happened on all forums that I frequent. As someone who has had internet access for fifteen years it's my opinion that this has occurred because of ease of access. The early internet was a bunch of nerds and more well educated and affluent folks. Today we have to deal with the millions of the less evolved. I well aware of how elitist this post sounds, there's is no point on taking me to task for it.


    I'm wearing Aventus to read and post in this thread. It smells great.

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    I'm relatively new here, but for the time I've been here I've been extremely active, as I am on the site most of the day at one point or another. Unfortunately I do think there are some issues as noggs and PalmBeach pointed out (in particular). I miss D&S badly.

    As for the knowledge base, I think it may be less than what you were used to, but now there are more members offering their own opinions on fragrances, so you get some views from new people to the hobby and old alike. In my opinion that is worth a lot, since some things in fragrances are naturally going to be lost on "newer" noses, and that's something to take into consideration if you are new to the game.

    Overall though, I love the community and would be lost without it. Between here and Facebook, I've met a lot of great people and learned a LOT about fragrances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Basenotes itself is largely responsible for the attrition of veteran members and the loss of internet presence to competing sites.

    Overzealous moderators (apparently with Grant's support) have over the years banned a number of the most valuable posters, usually for petty or personal reasons (which never should've been allowed).

    Couple that with Grant's ongoing inability to keep the site up and functioning normally (not to mention lack of improvements to the site) and you had some members just give up in frustration and go elsewhere.

    in addition to these self inflicted wounds, some veteran members have their own blogs or write for other, more welcoming or progressive websites, which may take precedence over contributing to Basenotes.

    Basenotes has, unfortunately, a lack of serious commitment and vision from its owner. It's a shame, really, as it once was the premiere site for fragrances on the internet and could've been so much more than it is now. I believe that Grant should've sought help or sold the website years ago, but he has consistently shown that he wants to have complete control over the site even though it is far too large for him to manage and he has other, more important concerns that do not allow him the time that Basenotes needs.

    All this probably sounds harsher than intended, but it is my perception of the site since I joined in 2007. The fact that we all want more from Basenotes shows how important that we think it is and how monumental Grant's initial work was. It's just too bad that the site could've been in such better shape with a less draconian and more flexible philosophy.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    I think the forum has taken a wrong direction as of late. Many great members have left and for good reason, the forum is not what it once was, filled with great reviews and discussions regarding various sorts of fragrances, by people who truly love the art of fragrances; now all you see are threads talking about Aventus batches and vintage vs reform bottles of DHI.

    Many great members were also kicked out by moderators who don't do their job and organize threads which don't belong in certain categories but instead direct their attention to meaningless "violations" and harass kicking people off the site for some stupid reason.

    I still visit base notes often, but when there are great blogs with notable and reliable reviewers to be found on the internet, it lessens your desire to check out whats new with base notes. I'm happy with youtube reviewers, FB groups and great blogs from truly passionate fragrance aficionados. Slowly but surely this site is decaying, unless some drastic changes are made, but I highly doubt that.

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    Seeing as the site didn't work properly for a long time it's surprising that there are still people here. One of the best reviewers pulled his reviews, some pleasant/funny characters seem to have stopped posting, replaced by ever-changing new names posting semi-troll threads or the same thread over and over again, add to that all the Creed shills :-p .... It's either that or one is getting old.

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    I have a problem with statements such as "large population of very powerful basenoters" and "lost some great members, and they have not been replaced with similar quality." What factors determine the "quality" of a member, and who is to judge? If one wants to start a site where only people with certain characteristics need apply, then one is free to do that, but it saddens me to think that Basenotes should be regarded like that.

    Also, I thought that Basenotes was a site about fragrances, not just about fragrances that "have the benefit of having survived the test of time." Modern fragrances are fragrances. Anyone with an interest in fragrances should feel welcome to discuss any of them.

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    It will continue to change because it has got so much harder to exchange fragrances internationally. Many of the former games and passes have had to stop or go underground. These all led to wonderful discussions of old and new perfumery. I really feel the perfume industry shouldn't let this one be got away with. There could be a mini size allowed and that would really help. How can the industry survive if new perfume samples cannot be smelled? You cannot encourage global trading and then bring a huge hammer down upon it. We will see soon enough.

    Then of course there is the increased accessibility of niche frags and the burgeoning choices of the new, the new flankers and the new flankers-flankers available. The proper old dames and gentlemen frags are sadly on the wane from zealous legislations and not available to that many to smell any longer even if they were interested, added to by the above problems.

    The downtime nearly made a mass exodus, just it was just nigh on impossible to play here. I ventured out with withdrawal symptoms because it is miles faster elsewhere for some reason and posted a few, but I really find other layouts hard to use.

    As for banning... I have lost some good friends here that way and as far as I could determine, they were doing little except express a view and those they were having a contra-temp with, who seemed to say worse, are still freely posting with no ill effects. It does make one wonder occasionally. I shall have to go and look for them myself.

    I totally agree about the ask questions and don't bother looking it up squad. It just tempts abject sarcasm.

    But... it cannot be all bad surely... the more perfumistas the merrier. It proves the interest is there even in byte sized pieces... so onwards and upwards... let's try and be those interesting people and have those interesting conversations.

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    True, I wish people would use the search engine on the site more because it is fantastic. Most questions have already been answered and my doing such you learn about so many other fragrances in the process. I really would like for people to respect the other forum more, it does not mean you are less than to ask a question over there in fact, its more practical. And peradventure you may meet new friends with the same taste buds.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckW View Post
    We have lost some great members, and they have not been replaced with similar quality. It's that simple. Lots of posts on this forum that need to be over on the starting out forum.

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    But there's still good stuff happening around here. The problem is, it rarely gets recognition. David has an awesome thread in progress that he's been consistently updating. How many people in this thread griping about the change in basenotes have taken the time to read it and respond to it?

    It seems posts that stir up arguments (and NOT constructive arguments), or posts that superficially "discuss" the hottest trend receive the majority of attention. Aventus is the perfect storm because its insanely trendy and immediately causes arguments (old, redundant, rehashed squabbling). There's the basic argument of I HATE IT/I LOVE IT/IT SUCKS/ITS GREAT!, often followed by the IF YOU HATE IT, DON'T POST ABOUT IT/I'LL POST ABOUT WHATEVER I WANT argument, which usually ushers in the NO MORE AVENTUS POSTS/WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME THAT?/LET'S CONDENSE ALL AVENTUS POSTS conflict which then sparks the USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION/OH I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A SEARCH FUNCTION/DON'T BE SO SNIDE WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE TO USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION quarrel and somewhere in between there is always the BATCHCODE INCONSISTENCY ISSUE which spirals into an all out WAR over the QUESTION OF QUALITY of CREED FRAGRANCES. It's ridiculous.

    But it brings me back to my original point. It seems ARGUING for the sake of ARGUING, whether your style is logical, ad hominem, or persistent brute force often takes precedence over this forum's intended purpose: The discussion of Male Fragrances.

    And Aventus posts and DHI posts proliferate because we respond to them. Because we can't help ourselves. It's too easy to give in. It requires too little thought and too much habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    I used to visit this forum 5 years ago, and I can tell you guys that there seems to be a crucial difference between now and then. In the past, there was a large population of very powerful basenoters, who were capable of analyzing complex pyramids of notes and had a strong focus on "older" or classical fragrances (including the more modern classics). They recommended those ragrances that resisted the test of time or that were almost a consensus among experts in terms of quality.

    In the present, the forum seems to be populated or attended by relatively less experienced basenoters, who tend to focus on more modern fragrances, which do not have the benefit of having survived the test of time. The forum got younger. It is a younger crowd.

    Another thing that I noticed: There were creed fanatics then, as there are now, but I don´t remember finding such a cult following for a fragrance as we now find for Aventus. Aventus is a god-like fragrance here.

    These are my first impressions from a limited sample of messages that I've read here during the last few days. I may be totally wrong in what I have just said. But this is my first impression. I am being honest.
    Your correct new members in the past year or so are not as knowledgeable but are more friendly and not at all catty like some previous seasoned users who have thankfully disappeared. So over all yes the caliber of the forum has gone down but on the upside there are more users and its MUCH more friendly to post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    And Aventus posts and DHI posts proliferate because we respond to them. Because we can't help ourselves. It's too easy to give in. It requires too little thought and too much habit.

    But since everyone's talking about the "decay" of base notes. You may want to read this.

    I stumbled across this thread from a blog recently:

    http://frompyrgos.blogspot.com/2013/...nd-end-of.html
    This is not the same author as the one from this older blog entry, is it?

    http://basenotessucks.blogspot.com/2...l#comment-form

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndlesslySurprised View Post
    This is not the same author as the one from this older blog entry, is it?

    http://basenotessucks.blogspot.com/2...l#comment-form

    I have no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Basenotes itself is largely responsible for the attrition of veteran members and the loss of internet presence to competing sites.

    Overzealous moderators (apparently with Grant's support) have over the years banned a number of the most valuable posters, usually for petty or personal reasons (which never should've been allowed).

    Couple that with Grant's ongoing inability to keep the site up and functioning normally (not to mention lack of improvements to the site) and you had some members just give up in frustration and go elsewhere.

    in addition to these self inflicted wounds, some veteran members have their own blogs or write for other, more welcoming or progressive websites, which may take precedence over contributing to Basenotes.

    Basenotes has, unfortunately, a lack of serious commitment and vision from its owner. It's a shame, really, as it once was the premiere site for fragrances on the internet and could've been so much more than it is now. I believe that Grant should've sought help or sold the website years ago, but he has consistently shown that he wants to have complete control over the site even though it is far too large for him to manage and he has other, more important concerns that do not allow him the time that Basenotes needs.

    All this probably sounds harsher than intended, but it is my perception of the site since I joined in 2007. The fact that we all want more from Basenotes shows how important that we think it is and how monumental Grant's initial work was. It's just too bad that the site could've been in such better shape with a less draconian and more flexible philosophy.
    It takes real courage to make such a post ~ and Noggs, you are my most respected basenotes member. One look at your wardrobe says everything !.....and I have been lucky enough to meet you in person. Your recent absence from basenotes has been noted and you are sorely missed by many dedicated members.
    I do not have an issue with Grant, but a huge issue with basenotes moderators. I suffered so badly from unjustified moderator bullying several years ago, that I wrote private messages to many of the other moderators, asking for help and did not even receive the decency of a reply. I consequently left basenotes for several years.
    I have returned ~ and hope that the depth of my threads/posts proves that I am genuinely passionate about fragrances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post

    This is not the same author as the one from this older blog entry, is it?

    http://basenotessucks.blogspot.com/2...l#comment-form

    I have no idea.
    Thank you, I understand. I am newer here, even if I was occasionally accessing the site for the past few years before registering.

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    Default Re: The Forum Has Changed in the last 5 years

    IMO change is welcome.

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    Basenotes is a very good site, forum included (maybe not as good as it used to be, I don't know) because of these:

    1.- Regular reviewers excel, but there are very few (Darvant, Drseid, Alfarom and so on...)
    2.- The forum is really open and democratic: You can discuss about the Axes the same as about the Rojas.
    3.- There are threads (my favourites) meant only for "sharing the joy" of the fragance hobby: SOTD the main.
    4.- As basenotes grows, Mr. Grant is gaining weight in the fragance's world as it is pretty clear to me.
    5.- People is well behaved IMO and you can find very polite and cultivated people, but always in the wide range of an open space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    IMO change is welcome.
    +1. It seems less catty now and more respectful, to a degree. So e people were stubborn and would bash you for liking something if it weren't a classic guerlain or the ilk.
    Is the juice worth the squeeze?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    IMO change is welcome.
    Yes it is , I think a lot of the new members are friendly and polite. Previously there were some crude and elitist members, thankfully they are long gone or barely active. I think we both know who

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    Default Re: The Forum Has Changed in the last 5 years

    It goes to show that change can be a positive thing.

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    The downtime nearly made a mass exodus, just it was just nigh on impossible to play here. I ventured out with withdrawal symptoms because it is miles faster elsewhere for some reason and posted a few, but I really find other layouts hard to use.

    As for banning... I have lost some good friends here that way and as far as I could determine, they were doing little except express a view and those they were having a contra-temp with, who seemed to say worse, are still freely posting with no ill effects. It does make one wonder occasionally. I shall have to go and look for them myself.
    Can you offer some examples?

    As a teacher I did encounter this phenomenon - the "feel good" crowd, who sees progress whenever challenging views and people who know more than one does are made to "magically" disappear. Consequently group thinking is never challenged and everybody's "happy" in a make-believe world.


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    This Forum is much better now.
    Five years ago there was a strong group of supposedly experienced Basenoters, who took it upon themselves to continually push for men to wear women's scent because the women's scents were superior, and virtually all but a few masculine scents were rubbish - while at the same time arguing the exact opposite proposition that scents had no gender (so how come most of the "mens" scents were rubbish?).

    Time and again, I'd get ultra annoyed - sure wear anything you like, but stop casting yourself as superior because you wear women's scents, and stop continually bashing the masculine scents and inferring that those who liked masculine scents had less refined noses. This did lead to quite a few heated exchanges at the time.

    Yes, there is less emphasis on classic scents here now, but it's also less elitist/snobbish than it was back then for a while. Also, as I've noticed with my nephews, they really don't like a lot of those classic scents very much at all.
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    I am grateful to those "old timers"' when I started reading BN in late 2007. Because of them, I had some interest in acquiring some "old stock" and within a couple years I was able to figure out what they were talking about, especially in terms of ingredient quality. At first, I realized there was a lot I didn't know and that it would not be something I could learn in a week. Yes, it does seem like a lot of the old guard dropped out (whether or not they are still tuned in, at least to some degree), but you can still find most of their contributions by simple searches. And let me point out that I have nothing against new, even super-cheap scents, if I find them wearable (the benefits of a huge rotation, I guess), but it may be that the forum has changed a bit, in terms of what most "talkative" BNers are interested in discussing, generally-speaking of course.

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