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    Default Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    Check out the first review over at Fragrantica.

    http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/J...omme-3532.html

    Who knows. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
    If by some miracle it is, I'm sure it will only be a shadow of its former self.
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    I'll take the "I'll believe it when I see it" approach to this one.

    Whens the last time this house put out any fragrances anyway??

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    "You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality." - Ayn Rand

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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1280adam View Post
    I'll take the "I'll believe it when I see it" approach to this one.
    Same here.

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    Anyway, I am curious to see what they will "re-issue" , considering the restriction laws and high-cost of some ingredients....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1280adam View Post
    I'll take the "I'll believe it when I see it" approach to this one.
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    It makes no difference as I can't imagine that it wouldn't smell different to me (largely due to regulations, perhaps) that I probably wouldn't pay $10 for 100 ml of it.
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    Quick, someone start the reformulation of Patou PH real soon...That's what we are eagerly waiting for!!!
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    Curious to test it, as the original one is not accessable for me...

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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    As others have mentioned due to IFRA restrictions of Oakmoss and other initially utilized ingredients, any reformulation of this Jean Kerleo masterpiece is not going to smell the same. I am happy to own the original release and certainly would try any re-issue, but I am not holding my breath.
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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    The amount of vintage bottles on ebay lately indicates that it will probably be reissued soon. Supposedly the people who own the rights to the fragrance want to make it as good as possible, and supposedly Jean Kerleo was asked to help out. He's old know, but I'm sure he had some good input if so.

    The older fragrance formulas (mostly designer) are generally more intricate, and have a hard time accommodating the current IFRA regulations, but if they did everything imaginable it could be decent. It will be interesting anyway. Looking forward to it!

    And a good thing to remember is that while it smells good close up, it's complexity can be deceiving. You judge Patou pour Homme on it's sillage. He was a master in all respects, but producing fragrances with great sillage that had tenacity and the right trajectory was Jean Kerleo's specialty.
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    Maybe it's time we start a kickstarter/fundraiser for the development of a proper oakmoss replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    The amount of vintage bottles on ebay lately indicates that it will probably be reissued soon. Supposedly the people who own the rights to the fragrance want to make it as good as possible, and supposedly Jean Kerleo was asked to help out. He's old know, but I'm sure he had some good input if so.

    The older fragrance formulas (mostly designer) are generally more intricate, and have a hard time accommodating the current IFRA regulations, but if they did everything imaginable it could be decent. It will be interesting anyway. Looking forward to it!

    And a good thing to remember is that while it smells good close up, it's complexity can be deceiving. You judge Patou pour Homme on it's sillage. He was a master in all respects, but producing fragrances with great sillage that had tenacity and the right trajectory was Jean Kerleo's specialty.
    Thanks for the info.
    My fingers are crossed.
    Here's to hoping for the best.
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    I will buy a bottle, with or without the real oakmoss. I think you guys sometimes exaggerate the effects of reformulations. M7 is an example.

    I already have two miniature bottles of Patou Pour Homme, both full, and I will be able to make the comparisons MYSELF.

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    Hope this all comes to fruition. I'd blind buy a bottle in a heartbeat. I've read about the legend for so long now. Just hope it does not retail for like $200 or more...
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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post
    Maybe it's time we start a kickstarter/fundraiser for the development of a proper oakmoss replacement.
    Finding a replacement will be very expensive, and I think Kickstarter has a limit to how much you set your goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    I will buy a bottle, with or without the real oakmoss. I think you guys sometimes exaggerate the effects of reformulations. M7 is an example.

    I already have two miniature bottles of Patou Pour Homme, both full, and I will be able to make the comparisons MYSELF.
    Same here.

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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    I am holding my breath (so that I won't smell it when it comes out).

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    A wonderful gentleman gifted me a mini of the vintage.

    For that I am grateful.
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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    Thanks to sables for these links. Not a replacement, but a different angle: "oakmoss low atranol"

    http://www.biolandes.com/ouverturepd...0724.pdf&lg=fr


    http://www.mimifroufrou.com/scenteds...k_tree_mo.html

    http://www.biolandes.com/biolandes-m...ttre-71-fr.pdf

    But oakmoss is now just a small part of reformulations, especially for things like Patou pour Homme whose original formula is made up of of so many naturals which are now regulated or banned. Looking forward to it either way!

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    I have smelled Jean Kerleo's own effort at reconstruction of PPH which he did in 2011. In his words, there are many many ingredients which cannot be used or are not available anymore. Oakmoss and sandalwood are not real problems, however as the current "safer" oakmoss smells pretty good (in my opinion one of the reasons that the latest batch of guerlain's are superior to their immediate predecessors) and sandalwood is present in very small quantity.

    The reconstruction is definitely recognisable as PPH and is a very good fragrance but it lacks the smooth richness at the beginning and particularly down below in the base. The vintage is much superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hirch_duckfinder View Post
    I have smelled Jean Kerleo's own effort at reconstruction of PPH which he did in 2011. In his words, there are many many ingredients which cannot be used or are not available anymore. Oakmoss and sandalwood are not real problems, however as the current "safer" oakmoss smells pretty good (in my opinion one of the reasons that the latest batch of guerlain's are superior to their immediate predecessors) and sandalwood is present in very small quantity.

    The reconstruction is definitely recognisable as PPH and is a very good fragrance but it lacks the smooth richness at the beginning and particularly down below in the base. The vintage is much superior.
    To me the richness is the major reason to seek out a scent like this. If that is missing, but you can obtain a similar vintage one (even the original version of Bijan for Men) at a low price, then it makes little sense to seek out even a "good reformulation," IMO.

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    Oooh, fascinating and exciting bits of information, pluran and hirch_duckfinder.

    Regarding the reconstruction of PPH: any idea what those restricted/banned could be? From the published pyramids, I can see Bergamot, Civet and Coumarin. Smooth richness points to sandalwood and oakmoss, imo.

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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    I'm pretty sure that even if, by any chance, it will smell just as good as the original formula, there will always be someone saying the vintage was better...


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    That much is certain but the question for me is, if I will like it enough. I'm usually all about getting the real deal but with prices that exorbitant, I'd be willing to compromise if it comes close enough.

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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post
    That much is certain but the question for me is, if I will like it enough. I'm usually all about getting the real deal but with prices that exorbitant, I'd be willing to compromise if it comes close enough.
    ^^^ exactly. There are several Guerlains that while being pretty different from their original formulas, they're still absolutely outstanding composition-wise and quality-wise (e.g. Sous Le Vent, Vega, Jicky EDP, Vol De Nuit Parfum...). Sous Le Vent vintage, beside being extremely rare, doesn't go for any less than $1000 but you can have a terrific rendition of it by buying the current formulation for something like $300...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post
    Oooh, fascinating and exciting bits of information, pluran and hirch_duckfinder.

    Regarding the reconstruction of PPH: any idea what those restricted/banned could be? From the published pyramids, I can see Bergamot, Civet and Coumarin. Smooth richness points to sandalwood and oakmoss, imo.
    The formula list for PPH is long and complicated. It doesn't closely relate to a note list.

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    Yes, I thought so but what's your guess / perception?

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    Default Re: Patou Pour Homme to be reissued?

    Quote Originally Posted by hirch_duckfinder View Post
    I have smelled Jean Kerleo's own effort at reconstruction of PPH which he did in 2011. In his words, there are many many ingredients which cannot be used or are not available anymore. Oakmoss and sandalwood are not real problems, however as the current "safer" oakmoss smells pretty good (in my opinion one of the reasons that the latest batch of guerlain's are superior to their immediate predecessors) and sandalwood is present in very small quantity.

    The reconstruction is definitely recognisable as PPH and is a very good fragrance but it lacks the smooth richness at the beginning and particularly down below in the base. The vintage is much superior.
    This is very interesting information. Thanks for sharing.

    Is this version of Patou Pour Homme available anywhere now for sampling ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post
    That much is certain but the question for me is, if I will like it enough. I'm usually all about getting the real deal but with prices that exorbitant, I'd be willing to compromise if it comes close enough.
    But why not go for a scent like Missoni Uomo, which is still available at non-crazy prices on ebay, for example?

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    I own a bottle of Missoni Uomo but (in my opinion) it smells totally different from PPH - close to Fahrenheit actually.

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