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    The only way that I can rate a house as a whole is to consider the percentage of fragrances that I like versus what they offer. With the majority of niche houses, there are only 1-3 fragrances out of there line-up that I like, so it's easier for me to list the niche houses that I think are worthwhile.

    Creed-has the highest overall number and % of fragrances that I wear and enjoy.
    Serge Lutens-I enjoy most of their fragrances and love the artistry and journey that many of them take me on.

    Given my method of judging a house, rather than a certain individual scent, all other niche houses are rubbish.

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    I have to go with Bond.

    I've smelt entire lines of a few houses now, and even fragrances I didn't like too much in other houses, I can remember. Tom Ford Italian Cypress. I didn't like that too much, but I remember it.

    I can't even remember what most of the Bond fragrances smell like. They were just all... 'meh', and for the price it's a bit crazy. Forgettable scents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynegne View Post
    Agreed. I'm just saying it's the worst of the ones that I have tried. This could be due to the fact I have tried and enjoyed the other niche fragrances I've sniffed. It's not fair for me to say it's the worst niche house, as I'm sure there are definitely worse out there. It's just the worst I have personally tried. I could add CB I hate Perfume to the list as I've only tried November and dislike it slightly less than GIT.
    You know, I just looked at your wardrobe, and it's a fine collection -- I'm very surprised you have a 43-bottle collection, with lots of diverse niche and mainstream scents, and have only tried one Creed. I think to really have an opinion on the house, I'd recommend you try at least a few others. Even if you don't like any, it's a fun journey.

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    Bond No. 9 must cease and desist
    My favorite post in this thread.
    Current Top Five:

    1. Creed Green Irish Tweed
    2. Tom Ford Neroli Portofino
    3. Hermes Concentre d'Orange Verte
    4. Bond No. 9 New Haarlem
    5. Creed Original Vetiver

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    Probably Bond, though I don't know many of their fragrances outside of New Haarlem (which I own). Generally speaking they have a crap load of fragrances, high prices, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usedtowork View Post

    The herd of Creed astroturfers and fanboys here on Basenotes need an enemy to galvanize against, and Bond is the target.
    That's an astute observation. It's the Mets vs. the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scentologist View Post
    On the fence with ADP
    IMO junk. Smell any ADP then a really cheap drugstore fragrance or a dept store frag and you will smell a general "cheapie" note that is common in all of them. I can't figure out what it is but it is in all the low end fragrances. If I get any wiff of it I drop the bottle right there.

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    I would also like to call out Guerlian. YES people Guerlain. I put them on the fence as of now. I've purchased way too many great smelling fragrances from them that just fizzle out like a match after 2 hrs. The last hour being a QUIET hour.

    Somehow Guerlian has figured out how to still make an amazing scent that lasts long enough to FOOL YOU into believing it is quality. Then 2 hrs later you are jones' ing for a wiff.

    I call it like I smell it !

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    With my limited experience I would say Bond No. 9 far too many synthetic scents that are passed off as Niche quality.
    My current top ten:
    1. Spice and Wood
    2. Tonka Imperiale
    3. Dior Homme
    4. Pure Malt
    5. Oud Wood
    6. Ambre Nuit
    7. L'air Du Desert Marocain
    8. Noir de Noir
    9. Apple Brandy
    10.Straight to Heaven

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    My vote goes to Blood Concepts. Just the name alone is just wrong, unless your an actor on Twilight/True Blood/Vamp Diaries..
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    http://www.antonioli.eu/en/designers...cept?gen=Donna

    uber cool. they even have MA+ perfume

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatmakesscents View Post
    IMO junk. Smell any ADP then a really cheap drugstore fragrance or a dept store frag and you will smell a general "cheapie" note that is common in all of them. I can't figure out what it is but it is in all the low end fragrances. If I get any wiff of it I drop the bottle right there.

    I would also like to call out Guerlian. YES people Guerlain. I put them on the fence as of now. I've purchased way too many great smelling fragrances from them that just fizzle out like a match after 2 hrs. The last hour being a QUIET hour.

    Somehow Guerlian has figured out how to still make an amazing scent that lasts long enough to FOOL YOU into believing it is quality. Then 2 hrs later you are jones' ing for a wiff.

    I call it like I smell it !
    Ok I'll bite. I know you say you can't figure out what it is, but can you narrow down at all this note in Acqua di Parma that also exists in these drugstore cheapies?

    Also, nominating Guerlain in this thread are you talking about Guerlain's 'niche' line - Tonka Imperiale, Cuir Beluga and the like - or their regular offerings? Either way, I have to disagree with your assertions about their longevity.
    With the exception of the L'Eau range, I get excellent longevity from Guerlain.
    Shalimar (wearing it today), Habit Rouge and even my despised Vetiver each give me at least 5-6 hours.
    TI, LIDGE and SDV each go above and beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outline View Post
    http://www.antonioli.eu/en/designers...cept?gen=Donna

    uber cool. they even have MA+ perfume
    Ill def give them bottles and names, theirs are kinda cool (ok pretty cool)
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    Quote Originally Posted by timdoeswell View Post
    Ok I'll bite. I know you say you can't figure out what it is, but can you narrow down at all this note in Acqua di Parma that also exists in these drugstore cheapies?

    Also, nominating Guerlain in this thread are you talking about Guerlain's 'niche' line - Tonka Imperiale, Cuir Beluga and the like - or their regular offerings? Either way, I have to disagree with your assertions about their longevity.
    With the exception of the L'Eau range, I get excellent longevity from Guerlain.
    Shalimar (wearing it today), Habit Rouge and even my despised Vetiver each give me at least 5-6 hours.
    TI, LIDGE and SDV each go above and beyond that.

    Sorry I don't know what the note is but I co named it the "Cheapie" note. I've smelled it in the Giorgio Beverly Hills Reform also Quorom and ADP Assoluta. Add a few Sephora bombs to the mix.

    I have not tried many from the Guerlian Niche line. My accusations come after owning or trying Vetiver Heritage Sous Le Vent and Mitsouko EDP. Sous Le Vent being the biggest lie of about 15 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatmakesscents View Post
    Sorry I don't know what the note is but I co named it the "Cheapie" note. I've smelled it in the Giorgio Beverly Hills Reform also Quorom and ADP Assoluta. Add a few Sephora bombs to the mix.

    I have not tried many from the Guerlian Niche line. My accusations come after owning or trying Vetiver Heritage Sous Le Vent and Mitsouko EDP. Sous Le Vent being the biggest lie of about 15 minutes.
    Haha I like that name. I'm gonna try a couple of ADPs next to Quorum next time I head to the department store. From memory there was one from the Colonia line I didn't like at all, but it certainly wasn't Colonia itself - I think that stuff is wonderful.

    I've never tried the latter three Guerlains you mentioned - anyone else shed any light on them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    On the other hand, lots of people seem to be pretty content to call Creed the "worst" niche line. I know lots of people don't like Creed, and raise some very valid complaints about it (I know I've complained about it in the past), but to say that it's a candidate for "worst" line? Seems kind of bombastic to me.
    But then it's equally "bombastic" to name any fragrance as "worst." But that's what the OP was asking for.

    It's funny how many people seem to think that if you answer with Creed, then you're either an idiot, or you haven't tried the fragrances, or you didn't understand the question. It's just not possible that you dislike Creed's fragrances and their image. And if you answer Creed and explain what you don't like about them, then you're bashing and hating on Creed. So essentially, you can't give Creed as an answer.

    My problem is just that I find their scents for men boring. And a few of the ones for women are screechy. Fleurissimo is the only fragrance I've tried that's guaranteed to give me a headache. And I dislike their stuffy image and the sales people who seem to be trained to spout nonsense about which celebrities wear which fragrance. The whole package just puts me off.

    I'm also not a fan of Montale, but I don't find their fragrances boring, so they don't get the vote.

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    Byredo, ELdO and Tauer. I haven't found a single one bottleworthy in their series and rest assured I've tested at least 90% of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagey View Post
    But then it's equally "bombastic" to name any fragrance as "worst." But that's what the OP was asking for.

    It's funny how many people seem to think that if you answer with Creed, then you're either an idiot, or you haven't tried the fragrances, or you didn't understand the question. It's just not possible that you dislike Creed's fragrances and their image. And if you answer Creed and explain what you don't like about them, then you're bashing and hating on Creed. So essentially, you can't give Creed as an answer.

    My problem is just that I find their scents for men boring. And a few of the ones for women are screechy. Fleurissimo is the only fragrance I've tried that's guaranteed to give me a headache. And I dislike their stuffy image and the sales people who seem to be trained to spout nonsense about which celebrities wear which fragrance. The whole package just puts me off.

    I'm also not a fan of Montale, but I don't find their fragrances boring, so they don't get the vote.
    See, I think you actually hit the nail on the head in the middle of your post, without intending to. You say:

    "If you answer Creed and explain what you don't like about them, then you're bashing and hating on Creed. So essentially, you can't give Creed as an answer."

    That's where we totally disagree. This is an internet forum, and I love to hear other opinions about houses. In your post, you give excellent reasons why you don't like Creed. While I may disagree, it's enjoyable reading your opinion, and it shows you've actually given it some thought. For example, I hadn't even thought of Creed's female scents.

    I was responding primarily to a poster who said he thought Creed was the absolute worst niche house because he had tried a grand total of one scent he did not like. I retain my belief that it is bombastic to call a house the "worst" in the world having tried a total of one out of the 75 or so fragrances it produces.
    Current Top Five:

    1. Creed Green Irish Tweed
    2. Tom Ford Neroli Portofino
    3. Hermes Concentre d'Orange Verte
    4. Bond No. 9 New Haarlem
    5. Creed Original Vetiver

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    I haven't had a ton of experience with Niche, but I'm exploring it more and more all the time. I will say this, though, I find it weird that many on this thread state which niche house they think is the worst, yet then say they like a few of their frags or own a few of their frags. That doesn't make sense to me...if that house didn't exist then you wouldn't own that frag that you obviously like because you bought it, etc. You should be grateful that that house produced that fragrance then for that one frag that they produced and that you enjoy. For me, the worst niche house should be the one that you haven't found even one frag of theirs that you like...case in point for me, Montaleor Killian- I haven't found one frag in their lines that I have enjoyed. I do have to state, though, that I have only smelled about 8 Montale frags so my opinion could or should change by experiencing more of them...but, as for my limited experience I haven't liked any of them...not even a little.

    Killian, on the other hand, I don't like any of them...and I think I have smelled and resmelled the entire line a few times. They are all powdery to my nose and I hate powder so thus I hate that they use powdery notes in all of them...seriously, they all smell powdery to me.

    Call me crazy or weird or something, but I like to base fragrances on the sense of smell...I know, weird huh...not on the bottles, not on the advertising, not on which celebrity endorses what frag, not on if it's popular or not....just on what my nose tells me when I smell it. If it smells good, then...wait for it...I like it no matter the bottle shape or the story behind it...go figure...I'm weird like that. So, thus I'm not swayed by a name. I'm a big Bond fan even though it's pretty much spit upon and looked down upon here on Basenotes...and I just don't care. I've liked a lot of their frags...I've said it before and I'll say it again, they have quite a few great ones and quite a few not-so-great ones, but EVERY HOUSE has the same thing going on.

    Creed...yeah, I'll mention it, I am not a fan of. I have yet to find a frag of theirs that I like, and I have smelled practically the entire line over and over again. BUT, that being said, I don't consider it the worst niche house because there are a few "pleasant" one's in the bunch...not saying that I like them, but they are "pleasant". It's just that Montale and Killian are worse to my nose than Creed.

    So, after my much rambling, that's my 2 cents. I base my decision on my nose and what it tells me...the end.

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    Apologies for being predictable but:

    Bond No 9/ Creed

    Closely follwed by (the non-entity that is)

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    Montale is the one house with many fragrances and only one that I like. My vote went to Blood Concept because I find the whole thing stupid and the scents bad, but as far as the total number of fragrances versus the number that I actually like, Montale takes the cake. I've sampled at least 15, maybe 20 Montales. Blue Amber is the only one I liked. In general I find Montales thick, heavy, stuffy, clumsy, over-powering, and very obnoxious. However, I don't think I can say their the worst niche line, as they have a hard-core following and scents like Black Aoud get repeated mentions on Top Ten and Top 5 lists. I've never heard one person name a Blood Concept in their top 10.

    I also dislike oud, which makes me prejudiced toward Montale in general. But Mukhalat? Yuck! No oud in that and its absolutely terrible.

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    Goutal and yes Bond 9 is overpriced even though I like and own some of them!
    you can't pay a fortune for inconsistent stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post
    Strangely enough, the intense hate for Bond no. 9 is largely limited toward Basenotes. Go anywhere else, and you'll find that people actually like Bond no. 9

    I can guess this is because Basenotes is heavily dominated by men and the Bond no. 9 house is more popular with women. Go anywhere where the male-female ratio is even, and I doubt you'll see this much hate toward Bond.

    But also, because people here tend to prefer heavier more masculine fragrances, whereas Bond is largely unisex.
    Well,... I was about to name Bond no. 9 as the worst niche house I know when I read your post. Boring scents sold for way too much money. I can appreciate Chinatown from a distance (though my teeth would rot away if I were to put it on) and I do like Andy Warhol Silver Factory. The rest? Don't waste your money...

    You might be right though that people outside Basenotes like the house much more. I sold my unwanted samples and the buyer was totally smitten by then. I also regularly get the question if I have Bond no. 9 scents up for sale.

    Romea d'Ameor is also worthless, a collection of nondescript aquatic florals.

    There are some other houses which do have a few great scents but I find the majority of their offerings boring/pointless: Creed, ELdO, Montale, By Kilian, Juliette Has a Gun.
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    Let's get CEREUS

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    I see a lot of creed bashers and I can see why hahahahahahahah

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    I can't believe people are actually listing Creed and Bond No 9.

    Are you basing this off of the juice or the business practice?

    If we're talking about the juice then . . . maybe Amouage? But I like Lyric Man so I'm not sure. I'll say Amouage is my least favorite house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatbush Ave View Post
    I can't believe people are actually listing Creed and Bond No 9.

    Are you basing this off of the juice or the business practice?

    If we're talking about the juice then . . . maybe Amouage? But I like Lyric Man so I'm not sure. I'll say Amouage is my least favorite house.
    creeds mainly because of juice being inconsistent especially aventus, bond 9s I don't even consider that a niche house but that's just me.

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    Of the ones I've tried...Bond and Montale.

    Bond: way overpriced and no standout winners in this collection...just a few ok ones. I don't like how Bond undeservedly presents itself as such a premium brand when really it hasn't done anything to deserve it...at least that's my viewpoint.

    Knock Creed all you want and yes there are batch issues and disputes about the true company history...but Creed has a number of amazing frags in my opinion. Just look at the Splits pages and you will see them selling fastest and for a reason.

    I can't say I've really liked any of the Montale's I've tried and I don't understand the love. I'd tried 6 or 7 and mostly of their heavy hitters. Perhaps my nose is not "experienced" enough to appreciate this house yet though. So far, I've been extremely disappointed with Montale.
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    Hmm, I've no personal 'hate house' as such but I really wanted to like my Xerjoff Mephisto sample and I'm struggling with it. Can't black mark the house based on one sample but I'll think twice before getting more of theirs. Out of Italians i'm eargerly eyeing Unum now.

    Also, interesting to note the many Creed comments made so far, escpecially when one looks at the most worn lists on SOTD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey_Specter View Post
    Of the ones I've tried...Bond and Montale.
    montale could be but lets be honest price wise no comparison to creeds montales are fairly price compared to creeds and bond 9s.

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    Anything that I can't afford and anything that I don't like.
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    So far I've struggled with all the Amouage's I've tried...

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