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    Quote Originally Posted by QWERTYOP View Post
    People come and people go. There are probably more people on YouTube making fragrance related videos now than ever before. Like this handsome chap... http://www.youtube.com/user/QWERTYOP80
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    Ive never liked youtube reviews. To this day, I haven't found one that is good. I have prejudice against youtube reviews. I prefer to read the reviews at basenotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopwet View Post
    Creed pls go
    GIT is a hit . Maybe the justin bieber of the niche scents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdoeswell View Post
    I don't watch many YT frag reviewers, although I do subscribe to 860Cologne.
    He hasn't reviewed any fragrances I particularly like, but he's a good reviewer and has a pleasant voice and mannerisms.
    This was a huge surprise! thanks for the compliment And I hope to get to some frags that you like there was just so much new stuff that came out when I started I figured I'd cut my teeth on them until I found my style.

    I'm fairly new to the YT reviewers and wasn't really into the scene much except I did know Marc and liked the info he gave and he comes across as a really nice guy, so his vids are pleasant to watch.

    As per this bickering inside the community, I came in right after some apparently major blow up where one guy posted a harsh video then left or something... I honestly don't know what happened and I am real curious to find out. Is there more in-fighting other than this? I'm passionate about fragrance as I'm sure we all are, but it's not worth starting arguments over. lol I'm a big sports fan as well and I can see some correlation between the sports comments and YT reviewers. I wonder what it would be like to have an opinion show kind of like PTI for fragrances (For those outside the US or non sport lovers PTI stands for Pardon The Interruption and is a show on ESPN where 2 sports writers give their opinions on various sports topics, much like political opinion shows).

    I like the categories that L'Homme Blanc Individuel posted earlier, that seems to sum it up rather well.

    For me, the reason I started my channel was due to the fact that I didn't have many people near me that shared my enthusiasm for this hobby/sickness. And I love the community here on BN, but one thing I like to do as I'm cleaning or cooking is let a video review play on my computer as I go about my business, much harder to do that while reading thru here, although I end up doing both.

    Another reason I did it was to help me in my job as a fragrance SA. It's one thing to have an opinion with an individual customer, but to put yourself in front of hundreds of people, some of whom are very opinionated and more knowledgeable as well, really has made me more concise in developing my thoughts and more importantly being able to convey that opinion in a timely fashion.

    Surprisingly, I have had quite a few customers come up to me and say they recognized me from YouTube, so I guess there are more crazy people like me in my area than I thought, and that has been a lot of fun to get to know them.

    I suppose to answer the OP question about this community we might have to look at the way society is changing as well. When you look at TV and popular culture these days it seems the things that get the most attention are that shock. Tabloids, reality tv and shows where the audience is encouraged to scream out at ppl on stage seem to be commonplace. People want to shock and stir some shit up rather than have intelligent discourse and maybe this is the attitude some people here or they just think it's the norm.

    You have your Jerry Springer's and Maury's on YouTube but luckily you also have a few Oprah's and Daily Shows (sadly, these were the best TV's shows I could think of off the top of my head, we do live in a sad world) I've found quite a few reviewers that I like a lot and think add to the community in a positive way, but just like everything else in life you have to sift thru some crap to get there
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    Niche happened and it all went downhill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuNezDeBuzier View Post
    Everyone has an opinion and some are more opinionated than others. There are various medium available to express one's opinions and to read/hear those opinions of others. To me, YT is a very inefficient means of getting to know others' opinions. ^Those reviewers on YT that think it's about them in the least and not the fragrance... well, I've never had time for that! It's not my idea of entertainment and I'm not so easily amused. Just another virtual identity with another opinion, but it's inefficient. Here, in the reviews section and given the fragrance, I can quickly come to know scores of opinions in the same time frame. That aspect was a major attraction back a few years when my enthusiasm was more at fever pitch AND I, for whatever reasons, thought there was more objectivity to this thing. Over time, I learned that that is but an impossibility with such things so subjective and so ever-changing.

    Where is that gent with all the 'scientific studies' when you might really be interested in one? Excuse me... while I whip this scientifc study out! hehe, j/k

    Oh yeah, one more thing... that guy from pygros has got one major chip on his shoulder. Maybe it's justified maybe it's not, but if I ever got myself so deep into this thing to think that way and feel I had to express myself that way publicly, well I'd hope I'd be able to push myself away from the bar, give up my seat, and find something better to do with my limited time on this ball-o-mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    Ive never liked youtube reviews. To this day, I haven't found one that is good. I have prejudice against youtube reviews. I prefer to read the reviews at basenotes.

    Thank you Mr. Plainview for your brutally frank assessment .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    I've really never understood what YouTube adds to reviewing a scent, beyond what you get from reading written reviews here and at other places. At least here you can quickly scan dozens of reviews of one scent in a couple of minutes, and get an idea of the diversity of opinion - which has to be far less time consuming than doing the same on YouTube.
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    I don't really understand what people think they can get from a youtube review that they can't get in a far more comprehensive form here. (Though I don't want to be unpleasant. Qwertytop comes across as sincere and has have a nice way of expressing himself and I'm sure many others do too).

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    On a vaguely related note, does anybody know what has happened to 'petruccijc', who used to be a prominent poster here?

    I myself have been away from the site (and the hobby) for a few months until recently - I guess the same may simply be true for him. But on my return I am finding I have missed his presence here, and his insightful & knowledgable posts.

    Anyone?

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    Sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by martinijo View Post
    I don't really understand what people think they can get from a youtube review that they can't get in a far more comprehensive form here. (Though I don't want to be unpleasant. Qwertytop comes across as sincere and has have a nice way of expressing himself and I'm sure many others do too).
    Basenotes reviews are better excellent you can easily glance across many of them to get a wider range of perspectives. Most reviews here tend to be brief, and I appreciate that.

    Youtube reviews are excellent because they tend to be more in-depth than the majority of reviews posted here. Youtube reviews have more in common with blog reviews than basenotes or fragrantica reviews in that regard. I enjoy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    Ive never liked youtube reviews. To this day, I haven't found one that is good. I have prejudice against youtube reviews. I prefer to read the reviews at basenotes.
    Surely, you don't like it when people treat you with prejudice. I'm surprised you're so quick to be prejudiced. There are some excellent reviews and reviewers on youtube. Pre-judging them all is neither wise nor fair. But, hey, whatever.

    I prefer reviews on basenotes and fragrantica, but I go to youtube for more in-depth reviews, especially if I can find them done by certain people there. Not all youtube reviews are good, of course. Some are crap (especially the mindless hypers and reviews that just recite what they've heard other reviewers say) but some people on youtube really do an excellent job of creating video reviews. I spent many years working in the mainstream media, and I'm often impressed by what I see amateurs doing on youtube. There are some people on there that I think do a better job than many pros (granted, it's comparing apples and oranges when comparing fragrance reviews to news media and/or entertainers... but I'm not talking about comparing similar content so much as comparing the way someone on camera connects with a viewer and presents information in a personable way). There are some talented people on youtube. I can easily think of a bunch from the fragrance community that have real talent in front of a camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougczar View Post

    I would much rather spend 1 minute reading a thought out concise review than 5 minutes watching a guy sniff his arm or sprayer and meander around the English language's filler words throwing some notes out there that he is getting... Watching a guy sniffing a sprayer like a poodle sniffing the ass of another poodle is something I can do without.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    I've really never understood what YouTube adds to reviewing a scent, beyond what you get from reading written reviews here and at other places. At least here you can quickly scan dozens of reviews of one scent in a couple of minutes, and get an idea of the diversity of opinion - which has to be far less time consuming than doing the same on YouTube.
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    To the OP's question...

    ... DanielPlainView joined it.

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    when bored, I watch a choice few reviewers...mainly SmellyThoughts who seems to have the same taste as me, and 8RK7 who I also enjoy. Some are obnoxious, and I agree with others here, my Attention Deficit stops me from sitting through a 6min discussion on one frag when I can read 7-8 reviews on BN in far less time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davem81 View Post
    On a vaguely related note, does anybody know what has happened to 'petruccijc', who used to be a prominent poster here?

    I myself have been away from the site (and the hobby) for a few months until recently - I guess the same may simply be true for him. But on my return I am finding I have missed his presence here, and his insightful & knowledgable posts.

    Anyone?

    personal stuff apparently (Not that it's any of my business)

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinijo View Post
    personal stuff apparently (Not that it's any of my business)
    Sending him best wishes in that case if he should read this.

  16. #76

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    Man his last post was September. I hadn't even realised.

    Back on subject - it's just a different medium, guys. Neither is "better". It's not "us & them". We all enjoy the same hobby. Some just go about it in different ways to others. To feel some sense of superiority because your preferred method of enjoying reviews may happen to be written rather than visual, is incredibly silly.

  17. #77

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    YT reviews.

    Only half of that sentence is correct. YT is. Review isn't.

    The word has lost its integrity.



    Just because a person is able to jettison words out of an orifice doesn't make it a review.

    For it to qualify as a review the person has had to demonstrate some knowledge of the topic.

    Owning a camera and access to the internet doesn't make you a reviewer.

    YT perfume reviews are more appropriately named YT perfume thoughts or YT perfume bloopers in some cases.



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    Anybody have a brick wall I could borrow?

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    Who cares about labels? They're people with opinions. Perfectly valid opinions. Just like everybody here. And they're perfectly entitled to express their opinions, just like everybody here. The elitism and snobbery shown by some here is baffling, sad, and hilarious.

    For the record, I've made a point of never calling myself "a reviewer". My videos are all fragrance related. I see my channel as more of a "vlog" type of channel. In the end, i'm just a person with an opinion. We all are. Enough looking down your noses at people who choose to enjoy THE SAME HOBBY in a different way, eh?
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    Don't play the plebeian being ravaged by the royalty card.

    No ones being elitist or a snob.

    No one said people shouldn't talking about perfumes.

    What's baffling, sad and hilarious are the InstaNoses spawned overnight by reading a notes pyramid and then producing perfume prophecies on YT.

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    Don't play the plebeian being ravaged by the royalty card.

    No ones being elitist or a snob.

    No one said people shouldn't talking about perfumes.

    What's baffling, sad and hilarious are the InstaNoses spawned overnight by reading a notes pyramid and then producing perfume prophecies on YT.
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    The thing about the internet is that it gives everyone the opportunity to be famous. It used to be that you had to have some talent, or pay your dues before you were seen by millions...now you just need a webcam. NOT that there isn't benefit in that, but it sure makes it harder to weed out the chaff to find a bit of grain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post
    Don't play the plebeian being ravaged by the royalty card.

    No ones being elitist or a snob.

    No one said people shouldn't talking about perfumes.

    What's baffling, sad and hilarious are the InstaNoses spawned overnight by reading a notes pyramid and then producing perfume prophecies on YT.

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    Don't play the plebeian being ravaged by the royalty card.

    No ones being elitist or a snob.

    No one said people shouldn't talking about perfumes.

    What's baffling, sad and hilarious are the InstaNoses spawned overnight by reading a notes pyramid and then producing perfume prophecies on YT.
    Read through the reviews on Basenotes some time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum-Pie View Post
    The thing about the internet is that it gives everyone the opportunity to be famous. It used to be that you had to have some talent, or pay your dues before you were seen by millions...now you just need a webcam. NOT that there isn't benefit in that, but it sure makes it harder to weed out the chaff to find a bit of grain.
    Or a message board....

    Some people really can't see past their own noses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post
    What's baffling, sad and hilarious are the InstaNoses spawned overnight by reading a notes pyramid and then producing perfume prophecies on YT.
    This happens every day on basenotes too though. Really, youtube and basenotes share some similarities. For example, each site has some amazing noses. For an example on youtube, check out Kristo. His reviews are detailed without the rambling, and they're top notch. Granted, there are some idiots on youtube, but let's be honest, there's plenty of ridiculousness here too. How often do we see people pick one note and declare two scents that have it to be nearly identical. There's lots of that here. And there's more Creed fanboyism here than on youtube.

    QWERTY really summed it up well when he said that youtube and basenotes are just different mediums. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.

    Frankly, I wish there were more members who were active on both sites - either as reviewers or commenters. Kristo, Katie Puckrik, the Fragrance Bros, Al and many others would be great additions to the basenotes family if they were active members here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    This happens every day on basenotes too though. Really, youtube and basenotes share some similarities. For example, each site has some amazing noses. For an example on youtube, check out Kristo. His reviews are detailed without the rambling, and they're top notch. Granted, there are some idiots on youtube, but let's be honest, there's plenty of ridiculousness here too. How often do we see people pick one note and declare two scents that have it to be nearly identical. There's lots of that here. And there's more Creed fanboyism here than on youtube.

    QWERTY really summed it up well when he said that youtube and basenotes are just different mediums. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.

    Frankly, I wish there were more members who were active on both sites - either as reviewers or commenters. Kristo, Katie Puckrik, the Fragrance Bros, Al and many others would be great additions to the basenotes family if they were active members here.
    I volunteer to personally visit Katie Puckrik and take her to dinner to convince her to join the basenotes community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    I volunteer to personally visit Katie Puckrik and take her to dinner to convince her to join the basenotes community.
    Thanks for taking one for the team! Now the question is, which cologne would you wear on your date with Katie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by comfortablynumbbg View Post
    Niche happened and it all went downhill...

    Since I am a Niche / Artisan Perfumer, I'm curious how you think that Niche Fragrances killed the industry...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    I've really never understood what YouTube adds to reviewing a scent, beyond what you get from reading written reviews here and at other places. At least here you can quickly scan dozens of reviews of one scent in a couple of minutes, and get an idea of the diversity of opinion - which has to be far less time consuming than doing the same on YouTube.
    Cheers,
    Renato
    I agree with this....

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    All the talk about youtube reviewers and such could it be that most of them just review a fragrance because they love it so much and they want to tell the whole world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobster View Post
    I agree with this....

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    All the talk about youtube reviewers and such could it be that most of them just review a fragrance because they love it so much and they want to tell the whole world?
    Erm... Nope. Plenty of negative (if that's the right word) reviews out there. The Fragrance Bro's Lumiere Noire video today for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    I've really never understood what YouTube adds to reviewing a scent, beyond what you get from reading written reviews here and at other places. At least here you can quickly scan dozens of reviews of one scent in a couple of minutes, and get an idea of the diversity of opinion - which has to be far less time consuming than doing the same on YouTube.
    Cheers,
    Renato
    Yeah, I agree. One reason I used to watch Youtube reviews though, is I like to see a video of the bottle & presentation (as opposed to just seeing an image of it online). I also like haul videos where people give their first impressions of multiple scents. Marc Robes used to do this and I really enjoyed watching it. The top 10/top 20 scents of a particular season videos aren't bad either.

    Having said that, I've pretty much lost interest in watching Youtube reviews now. Mainly because they're usually just too long. I can't dedicate 10 to 20 minutes of my time to listen to one person's opinion about one fragrance.

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    I find this whole topic rather fasinating, and intend on doing a video response to it as early as tommorow on my Youtube channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradW View Post
    I find this whole topic rather fasinating, and intend on doing a video response to it as early as tommorow on my Youtube channel.
    In that case I'll start a thread here with my response to your video about your response to people's response to your Youtube videos..

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