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    Default What happend to fragrance community.

    Recently got into the fragrances heavy When I look on youtube it seems the videos were very huge and made from about 2009-2011 then the community seem to have faded. What happend?

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    The ebb and flow of fragrance enthusiasm.

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    creed batches ruined everything.
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    Good one.
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    creed batches ruined everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roblord View Post
    creed batches ruined everything.

    Aint it the truth.

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    I know that Youtube has its followers and detracters. I, personally don't watch. As was said by a previous poster I want to go to the true experts. Not the "alleged" experts, like Turin, Sanchez etc. I would rather come here to BN and read. I have more confidence in the views of BNers.


    BTW-Aventus, meh!




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    We have Aventus, and thus reached the pinnacle of fragrance evolution.

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    +100. Aventussssss woooohooooooooooooooooo

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    We have Aventus, and thus reached the pinnacle of fragrance evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fragrance123 View Post
    +100. Aventussssss woooohooooooooooooooooo
    Creed pls go

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    Creed pls go
    GIT is a hit . Maybe the justin bieber of the niche scents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insomniac View Post
    We have Aventus, and thus reached the pinnacle of fragrance evolution.
    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falco4758 View Post
    Recently got into the fragrances heavy When I look on youtube it seems the videos were very huge and made from about 2009-2011 then the community seem to have faded. What happend?
    People come and people go. There are probably more people on YouTube making fragrance related videos now than ever before. Like this handsome chap... http://www.youtube.com/user/QWERTYOP80

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    Quote Originally Posted by QWERTYOP View Post
    People come and people go. There are probably more people on YouTube making fragrance related videos now than ever before.
    This. I see much more fragrance related videos than I did a couple years ago. Seems like for every old school reviewer that leaves, 2 to 3 new reviewers pop up.


    Quote Originally Posted by GSHARP View Post
    Anyone know why Hiro deleted all his videos off youtube? I went and came back from holiday to find them all gone.

    It's a real shame because I really enjoyed them.
    As someone mentioned earlier, he deleted his videos a few weeks back. Mentioned something about his new career and how he can no longer do videos nor keep the past videos up because of it. So he said he'd delete them a few days later and he did.

    One a sidenote, I really miss Marc Robes' haul videos. Too bad he said he'll no longer be doing them. It's one of the few fragrance videos I used to watch. I'm usually turned off by the long drawn out reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QWERTYOP View Post
    People come and people go. There are probably more people on YouTube making fragrance related videos now than ever before. Like this handsome chap... http://www.youtube.com/user/QWERTYOP80
    Aventus bottle as an avatar? He is brain_dead.

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    It's just a different way of expressing opinions on fragrances. A bit like that Basenotes place...

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    Aventus bottle as an avatar? He is brain_dead.
    Clearly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by QWERTYOP View Post
    People come and people go. There are probably more people on YouTube making fragrance related videos now than ever before. Like this handsome chap... http://www.youtube.com/user/QWERTYOP80
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    I haven't bought anything new recently, there's nothing exciting coming out!

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    I'm devolving and using Brut on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unadan View Post
    I'm devolving and using Brut on a daily basis.
    This

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unadan View Post
    I'm devolving and using Brut on a daily basis.
    Haven't found a better deodorant for annihilating odor.
    *WARNING* Brut is only for real men. Boys will cry for two hours upon application.

    But to stay on topic... Aventus? Lol

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    From the OPs premise, I would conjecture that fragrance aficionados have merely become bored with YouTube. Fine fragrance sales are still strong, the mid-market range is showing some fairly strong debuts, and lo-end market still seems fairly robust.

    I was about to smart off and say something like, "Yessiree sonny, things were so much better back in the old days." But I don't really think they were.

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    Anyone know why Hiro deleted all his videos off youtube? I went and came back from holiday to find them all gone.

    It's a real shame because I really enjoyed them.

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    Also the excellent Pour Monsieur blog catering to men's fragrances has disappointingly and inexplicably gone dark - a real bummer!

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    Falco4758, You're right. In the past, I never really paid much attention. I really only listened to Youtube for music in the past, with the exception of a couple of Creed reviews I watched about how to detect fakes. However, I just went to Youtube and of the four brand new 2013 fragrances I've personally reviewed for Basenotes for the month of April. only one is reviewed on Youtube.

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    It may just be my perception, but I find there are a glut of mens frag reviewers on YT. There are even a dozen or so reviews of today's SOTD Yatagan.

    I don't watch many YT frag reviewers, although I do subscribe to 860Cologne.
    He hasn't reviewed any fragrances I particularly like, but he's a good reviewer and has a pleasant voice and mannerisms.

    Every time I'm slightly tempted to join the already bloated reviewer market, I realise that I'm neither articulate nor telegenic enough to appear on camera.....also I don't have a camera....and my voice is whiny and annoying

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdoeswell View Post
    It may just be my perception, but I find there are a glut of mens frag reviewers on YT. There are even a dozen or so reviews of today's SOTD Yatagan.

    I don't watch many YT frag reviewers, although I do subscribe to 860Cologne.
    He hasn't reviewed any fragrances I particularly like, but he's a good reviewer and has a pleasant voice and mannerisms.

    Every time I'm slightly tempted to join the already bloated reviewer market, I realise that I'm neither articulate nor telegenic enough to appear on camera.....also I don't have a camera....and my voice is whiny and annoying
    You have it all wrong. The one thing we don't have is the whiny annoying reviewer. The happy upbeat positive act is already taken. The professional articulate act is taken. The pretending to be articulate but repeating the same phrases and adjectives is taken. The blue collar I bad production I hate everything is taken. Whiny and annoying isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awakening950 View Post
    You have it all wrong. The one thing we don't have is the whiny annoying reviewer. The happy upbeat positive act is already taken. The professional articulate act is taken. The pretending to be articulate but repeating the same phrases and adjectives is taken. The blue collar I bad production I hate everything is taken. Whiny and annoying isn't.
    Hahaha sounds like I could be a niche reviewer of niche fragrances!

    I love your post; most amusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSHARP View Post
    Anyone know why Hiro deleted all his videos off youtube? I went and came back from holiday to find them all gone.

    It's a real shame because I really enjoyed them.
    He mentioned in his last clip that his new career requires him to 'not be a public figure' resulting in deleting his videos.


    Quote Originally Posted by Awakening950 View Post
    You have it all wrong. The one thing we don't have is the whiny annoying reviewer. The happy upbeat positive act is already taken. The professional articulate act is taken. The pretending to be articulate but repeating the same phrases and adjectives is taken. The blue collar I bad production I hate everything is taken. Whiny and annoying isn't.
    Whiny and anoying one is hard to get a fanbase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timdoeswell View Post
    I don't watch many YT frag reviewers, although I do subscribe to 860Cologne.
    He hasn't reviewed any fragrances I particularly like, but he's a good reviewer and has a pleasant voice and mannerisms.
    This was a huge surprise! thanks for the compliment And I hope to get to some frags that you like there was just so much new stuff that came out when I started I figured I'd cut my teeth on them until I found my style.

    I'm fairly new to the YT reviewers and wasn't really into the scene much except I did know Marc and liked the info he gave and he comes across as a really nice guy, so his vids are pleasant to watch.

    As per this bickering inside the community, I came in right after some apparently major blow up where one guy posted a harsh video then left or something... I honestly don't know what happened and I am real curious to find out. Is there more in-fighting other than this? I'm passionate about fragrance as I'm sure we all are, but it's not worth starting arguments over. lol I'm a big sports fan as well and I can see some correlation between the sports comments and YT reviewers. I wonder what it would be like to have an opinion show kind of like PTI for fragrances (For those outside the US or non sport lovers PTI stands for Pardon The Interruption and is a show on ESPN where 2 sports writers give their opinions on various sports topics, much like political opinion shows).

    I like the categories that L'Homme Blanc Individuel posted earlier, that seems to sum it up rather well.

    For me, the reason I started my channel was due to the fact that I didn't have many people near me that shared my enthusiasm for this hobby/sickness. And I love the community here on BN, but one thing I like to do as I'm cleaning or cooking is let a video review play on my computer as I go about my business, much harder to do that while reading thru here, although I end up doing both.

    Another reason I did it was to help me in my job as a fragrance SA. It's one thing to have an opinion with an individual customer, but to put yourself in front of hundreds of people, some of whom are very opinionated and more knowledgeable as well, really has made me more concise in developing my thoughts and more importantly being able to convey that opinion in a timely fashion.

    Surprisingly, I have had quite a few customers come up to me and say they recognized me from YouTube, so I guess there are more crazy people like me in my area than I thought, and that has been a lot of fun to get to know them.

    I suppose to answer the OP question about this community we might have to look at the way society is changing as well. When you look at TV and popular culture these days it seems the things that get the most attention are that shock. Tabloids, reality tv and shows where the audience is encouraged to scream out at ppl on stage seem to be commonplace. People want to shock and stir some shit up rather than have intelligent discourse and maybe this is the attitude some people here or they just think it's the norm.

    You have your Jerry Springer's and Maury's on YouTube but luckily you also have a few Oprah's and Daily Shows (sadly, these were the best TV's shows I could think of off the top of my head, we do live in a sad world) I've found quite a few reviewers that I like a lot and think add to the community in a positive way, but just like everything else in life you have to sift thru some crap to get there
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    Sorry
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    Part of it may be that there's just so many darned frags being introduced that people have thrown up their hands in despair of keeping up with them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdboy48 View Post
    Part of it may be that there's just so many darned frags being introduced that people have thrown up their hands in despair of keeping up with them all.
    I think their is a lot of truth to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdboy48 View Post
    Part of it may be that there's just so many darned frags being introduced that people have thrown up their hands in despair of keeping up with them all.
    I never liked the video reviews. And they mostly focused on top notes as well. There are some of us who are taking our time with scents, going back to them once in a while, reevaluating, thinking about a larger context, etc. If you want to know what that is like, take a look at my blog, now with well over 50 posts (none of them short entries, IIRC). I think a lot of people "burned themselves out" and jumped to conclusions about scents, rather than studying them closely over a long period of time.

    As to the idea that something major happened, it may just be among the tiny percentage of extreme enthusiasts, ones who create blogs, for example, and not most people. It may in fact be that interest has expanded among those who don't do these things. It also may be that the major scent sites have enough on them now to satisfy a lot of people who 5 years ago would have created a blog on their own. It's important not to rush to judgement without really studying all the facets of the phenomenon.
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    There are very few original reviewers on YouTube. It's like most of them are following the same template and that get's boring really quickly.

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    Here's one guy's thoughts on the same subject - the exhaustion/boredom/stagnation of the perfume community as a whole. Be warned that this guy is highly critical of basenotes. He has some valid criticisms in this regard, but the main reason I'm linking this is because of the larger picture he describes.

    http://frompyrgos.blogspot.com/2013/...nd-end-of.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Here's one guy's thoughts on the same subject - the exhaustion/boredom/stagnation of the perfume community as a whole. Be warned that this guy is highly critical of basenotes. He has some valid criticisms in this regard, but the main reason I'm linking this is because of the larger picture he describes.

    http://frompyrgos.blogspot.com/2013/...nd-end-of.html
    I wondered what had happened to shamu1 and sherapop. Man, there is some bitterness here but very thought provoking. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Here's one guy's thoughts on the same subject - the exhaustion/boredom/stagnation of the perfume community as a whole. Be warned that this guy is highly critical of basenotes. He has some valid criticisms in this regard, but the main reason I'm linking this is because of the larger picture he describes.

    http://frompyrgos.blogspot.com/2013/...nd-end-of.html
    When I was banned from basenotes, something interesting happened - someone began hacking its database and crashing its servers on a regular basis. Within the year after my termination, basenotes crashed about seven times, with at least half of those times serious, damage-sustained blackouts where Grant had to set up a triage unit that loosely resembled the site so injured members could stagger in out of the ashes and drum up conversation about how lame the latest By Kilians are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    Here's one guy's thoughts on the same subject - the exhaustion/boredom/stagnation of the perfume community as a whole. Be warned that this guy is highly critical of basenotes. He has some valid criticisms in this regard, but the main reason I'm linking this is because of the larger picture he describes.

    http://frompyrgos.blogspot.com/2013/...nd-end-of.html
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    People come and go. What i see here in basenotes is that community turned much more "nichy". I think many niche house became designer scents (of the past).

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    Real life happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    Real life happens.
    No truer words have been spoken in this thread.

    I think that's why Robes08 aka Marc is able to continue doing it, because his real life takes him away from reviewing for every quarter of the year. Also this keeps his fan base missing him. Over saturation isn't good on either end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frostyicy View Post
    No truer words have been spoken in this thread.

    I think that's why Robes08 aka Marc is able to continue doing it, because his real life takes him away from reviewing for every quarter of the year. Also this keeps his fan base missing him. Over saturation isn't good on either end.
    As much as I enjoy being part of that community, it does bug me when reviewers refer to their subscribers as "fans". The fragrance is the star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falco4758 View Post
    Recently got into the fragrances heavy When I look on youtube it seems the videos were very huge and made from about 2009-2011 then the community seem to have faded. What happend?
    1) Redundancy of reviews, how many reviews of Aventus, DHI, and Black Afgano can one watch? Most ground has been covered and the new reviewers are merely repeating old info without offering anything new.

    2) Internal bickering in the community

    3) Lack of ground breaking frags to fuel the hype train.

    4) Burnout of established reviewers with a significant following.

    5) Elitism such as not responding to comments unless it is from another reviewer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesjp View Post
    5) Elitism such as not responding to comments unless it is from another reviewer.
    Absolute rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesjp View Post

    2) Internal bickering in the community
    Very much so, damn shame actually. Beefing on youtube over people being friends with other people and whatnot. Smh.
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    I have only watched 2 YouTube reviews in my life. 5 minutes of watching some guy stammer and "um... it's *sniff* *sniff* kinda like... *sniff* *sniff* pretty nice initially... and *sniff* *sniff* [looks down at notes] I am getting some bergamot too *sniff* *sniff* yeah.. and *sniff* *sniff* ummm... soft of some *sniff* *sniff* [looks back down at notes] vanilla... and *sniff*"

    I would much rather spend 1 minute reading a thought out concise review than 5 minutes watching a guy sniff his arm or sprayer and meander around the English language's filler words throwing some notes out there that he is getting... Watching a guy sniffing a sprayer like a poodle sniffing the ass of another poodle is something I can do without.

    But maybe someday I will go back and look at a few more - if so many people are spending time watching these, there must be something to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QWERTYOP View Post
    As much as I enjoy being part of that community, it does bug me when reviewers refer to their subscribers as "fans". The fragrance is the star.
    It's all part of the youtube generation and the inflation of the ego. People really think what they have to say is important because they now have the ability to broadcast their mumblings.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougczar View Post
    I have only watched 2 YouTube reviews in my life. 5 minutes of watching some guy stammer and "um... it's *sniff* *sniff* kinda like... *sniff* *sniff* pretty nice initially... and *sniff* *sniff* [looks down at notes] I am getting some bergamot too *sniff* *sniff* yeah.. and *sniff* *sniff* ummm... soft of some *sniff* *sniff* [looks back down at notes] vanilla... and *sniff*"

    I would much rather spend 1 minute reading a thought out concise review than 5 minutes watching a guy sniff his arm or sprayer and meander around the English language's filler words throwing some notes out there that he is getting... Watching a guy sniffing a sprayer like a poodle sniffing the ass of another poodle is something I can do without.

    But maybe someday I will go back and look at a few more - if so many people are spending time watching these, there must be something to it.
    So true. Filler words is about all you get and qualitative adjectives that don't actually tell you anything. I love it when they read note lists of bizarre things that a guy in some New York basement has clearly never smelled in his life before. They are always good for a laugh though especially the terrible, terrible pronunciation of the French words. What makes it so funny is that the reviewer is so willing to spend $1000 on the selection of fragrances they are reviewing but they aren't willing to spend $100 on an hour long lesson on how to pronounce common words like 'l'eau'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougczar View Post

    I would much rather spend 1 minute reading a thought out concise review than 5 minutes watching a guy sniff his arm or sprayer and meander around the English language's filler words throwing some notes out there that he is getting... Watching a guy sniffing a sprayer like a poodle sniffing the ass of another poodle is something I can do without.
    +1!!!

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    I've been an active reviewer on Youtube for almost 3 years now. I understand what the OP is saying. I have several things to say about the topic. For one, the market is very saturated, so it's difficult to stand out. You really have to have a unique channel to grab the attention of the community anymore. Also, yeah, there is some infighting in the community, kinda like old school vs. new reviewers kinda thing. Also, lets not forget about the impact of Facebook. Many reviewers have their own pages, and that seems to satisfy many people's need to connect to other reviewers without subjecting yourself to troll attacks and hate that can really take a toll on some of the long term committed reviewers.

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    I never watched any of the youtube scent reviews because I never found them helpful, and most annoyed me.

    Okay, I watched Katie Puckrik. But that's because she's so damned cute and I'm a pretty simple guy.

    A larger issue is whether the fragrance community as a whole is dying or devolving. I haven't been here long enough to know.
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    Everyone has an opinion and some are more opinionated than others. There are various medium available to express one's opinions and to read/hear those opinions of others. To me, YT is a very inefficient means of getting to know others' opinions. ^Those reviewers on YT that think it's about them in the least and not the fragrance... well, I've never had time for that! It's not my idea of entertainment and I'm not so easily amused. Just another virtual identity with another opinion, but it's inefficient. Here, in the reviews section and given the fragrance, I can quickly come to know scores of opinions in the same time frame. That aspect was a major attraction back a few years when my enthusiasm was more at fever pitch AND I, for whatever reasons, thought there was more objectivity to this thing. Over time, I learned that that is but an impossibility with such things so subjective and so ever-changing.

    Where is that gent with all the 'scientific studies' when you might really be interested in one? Excuse me... while I whip this scientifc study out! hehe, j/k

    Oh yeah, one more thing... that guy from pygros has got one major chip on his shoulder. Maybe it's justified maybe it's not, but if I ever got myself so deep into this thing to think that way and feel I had to express myself that way publicly, well I'd hope I'd be able to push myself away from the bar, give up my seat, and find something better to do with my limited time on this ball-o-mud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuNezDeBuzier View Post
    ^Those reviewers on YT that think it's about them in the least and not the fragrance... well, I've never had time for that!
    OH MY GOD, THIS.

    I often go to youtube for advice about scents, especially when choosing samples to buy or scents to seek out while traveling. I'm not going to name names, but here's what I usually find on youtube:

    THE GUY WITH AN OPINION: He usually sprays the scent on his arm a few hours before doing the review so he's not smelling the frigging fleeting top notes while discussing the scent. He gives his opinion. He probably sprays his other arm and discusses the top notes too, but he focusses more on the heart and base. I may not agree with him, but his review is excellent. It's excellent because his review is about him giving his opinion rather than him telling me what I'm supposed to think, or what he thinks I'll think. He just gives his opinion, and that's excellent. He may seek opinions of others to include too, but his thoughts are his own. There are a few of these guys on youtube. I wish there were more. [EDIT: I shouldn't say guy since there are great women doing these too]

    THE HYPER: He just regurgitates what he's heard on other reviews. His reviews are usually nothing but rambling as he tries to look smart. There are too many of these guys on youtube.

    THE GUY WHO THINKS HE'S IMPORTANT: Holy cow, there are a few of these guys, and their reviews are rarely any good. Some of these people think they're TV stars.

    THE DEBBIE DOWNER: He seems to only review scents he doesn't like. I don't get it. And his reviews are mostly him telling viewers whether or not they'd like the scent rather than doing a review where he tells viewers what HE thinks. LOL!

    THE IDIOT: He reviews top notes but isn't smart enough to know that. He probably does first impressions videos too. First impressions are fine, but wear the scent for a while first so you're not just reviewing top notes!

    THE TALKER: This is someone who just turns on the camera and spill out thoughts on a scent he/she likes or thinks more people should know about. The Talker doesn't seem to be trying to build a following even though they've posted a bunch of reviews. Sometimes, their reviews don't even feel like reviews. They tend to turn the camera on, say hello and then talk about something they want to share. I often find these reviews just as helpful as the reviews from the more popular fragrance community channels. I actually think it's funny that these reviewers seem to have better info that the wannabe stars and hypers.
    "Follow your nose. It always knows." -- Toucan Sam

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    Also, there is this lose-lose situation going on. You realize that most views come from overreviewed frags like Le Male or Fahrenheit. Seems to me that most people have smelled these anyway, so it may be hard to justify reviewing them except for the sake of Youtube views. Then again, you discover some hidden gem in the niche market, and then nobody cares, unless you happen to be one of the few reviewers with about 1500 or more subs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradW View Post
    Also, there is this lose-lose situation going on. You realize that most views come from overreviewed frags like Le Male or Fahrenheit. Seems to me that most people have smelled these anyway, so it may be hard to justify reviewing them except for the sake of Youtube views. Then again, you discover some hidden gem in the niche market, and then nobody cares, unless you happen to be one of the few reviewers with about 1500 or more subs.
    Keep in mind, a shocking amount of views come from non-fragrance community folks doing a search. That's why many of the most common scents lead to so many views.

    If someone wanted to launch a fragrance channel on youtube, it would still be wise to review scents that have already been reviewed to death. That will lead to views. Also review niche and best-of bargains. That'll lead to fragrance community folks finding your channel.

    There's still a ton of potential for new reviewers to build a following on youtube.
    "Follow your nose. It always knows." -- Toucan Sam

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    Keep in mind, a shocking amount of views come from non-fragrance community folks doing a search. That's why many of the most common scents lead to so many views.

    If someone wanted to launch a fragrance channel on youtube, it would still be wise to review scents that have already been reviewed to death. That will lead to views. Also review niche and best-of bargains. That'll lead to fragrance community folks finding your channel.

    There's still a ton of potential for new reviewers to build a following on youtube.
    Sounds like solid advice to me. However, it amazes me how often a new reviewer jumps right into the thick of things with rare niche reviews. I think there is pressure to impress the community by buying and reviewing expensive niche frags, even if you haven't reviewed many designers. I feel that in order to appreciate niche, you need to have the foundation of designer. How can you say, for example, how great L'Humaniste is if you haven't tried Edition Blanche or Eau Savage? So, there must be a balance on being credible and also, of being willing to retread the waters with your opinions on classics like Cool Water and Drakkar Noir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradW View Post
    Sounds like solid advice to me. However, it amazes me how often a new reviewer jumps right into the thick of things with rare niche reviews. I think there is pressure to impress the community by buying and reviewing expensive niche frags, even if you haven't reviewed many designers. I feel that in order to appreciate niche, you need to have the foundation of designer. How can you say, for example, how great L'Humaniste is if you haven't tried Edition Blanche or Eau Savage? So, there must be a balance on being credible and also, of being willing to retread the waters with your opinions on classics like Cool Water and Drakkar Noir.
    Honestly, I think you're way over-thinking it.

    It's youtube, not The New York Times. If I want expert opinions, I'll go to the experts. I don't mean that as a slam against youtube reviews. I really enjoy youtube reviews. A great review, IMHO, is one where the reviewer turns on the camera and gives HIS or HER own thoughts on how a scent smells and how it wears rather than trying to tell me what I may think.
    "Follow your nose. It always knows." -- Toucan Sam

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    [QUOTE=L'Homme Blanc Individuel;2963128]Honestly, I think you're way over-thinking it.

    It's youtube, not The New York Times. If I want expert opinions, I'll go to the experts.

    I suppose this was a motivation for reviewing fragrances. Look at Luca Turin. Are his opinions the final word on what is good or bad? The best advice would be to find a reviewer with similar taste and take their opinions the most seriously. However, even better advice is this. The only sure way to know what is good or bad is to test for yourself. Some fragrances that I purchased had almost no reviews when I bought them. That gives me the satisfaction of having one of the only available reviews for a fragrance, basenotes, youtube, or otherwise. So, perhaps the satisfaction is more indulgent than anything. Like someone mentioned, not really the best way to obtain fame and fortune in this world. Perhaps I should stop buying fragrances and invest in scratch-off lottery tickets. More likely to get rich that way

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