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    STARSHIPVELCRO has taken money from several members for splits recently and has not delivered the goods. He has also failed to respond to their requests, as well as ours, for clarification despite being on the site. Although he had previously completed other splits, we have to advise you to not do any deals with this member at this time.

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    I can vouch for SSV.

    I'm sure something major has come up.

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    I always thought he was a good egg too. Something must have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    I always thought he was a good egg too. Something must have happened.
    Yes, l think so too.
    "What is this secret connection between the soul, and sea, clouds and perfumes? The soul itself appears to be sea, cloud and perfume..." - from Zorba the Greek by Nikos Kazantzakis.

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    I was referred to this thread by hedonist...I honestly don't know what to say....I have been so busy these last few months I have no idea what has happened to my splits.

    When I completed splitting the contents I prepared everything to go with the information given to me...I received confirmation from many they received theirs through email, but just now from checking basenotes I see that is not the case. I cannot image what has happened to the missing packages. They were sent out the same way every one of my shipments has been, which never had a problem before.

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    No scammers here - too many stripes on for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starshipvelcro View Post
    I was referred to this thread by hedonist...I honestly don't know what to say....I have been so busy these last few months I have no idea what has happened to my splits.

    When I completed splitting the contents I prepared everything to go with the information given to me...I received confirmation from many they received theirs through email, but just now from checking basenotes I see that is not the case. I cannot image what has happened to the missing packages. They were sent out the same way every one of my shipments has been, which never had a problem before.
    From my own prior experience, it is best to get tracking numbers for US first class mail, email the tracking number to your split-partner and track it for them. One time Universal Perfumes had sent me an expensive Creed Shipment and it never came. I tracked it with the tracking number and my postmaster found my Substitute mailman with it in his mail truck. The dweeb had been driving around for days with the package, but never delivered it because it was a sign-for package. I couldn't live without tracking numbers. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starshipvelcro View Post
    I was referred to this thread by hedonist...I honestly don't know what to say....I have been so busy these last few months I have no idea what has happened to my splits.

    When I completed splitting the contents I prepared everything to go with the information given to me...I received confirmation from many they received theirs through email, but just now from checking basenotes I see that is not the case. I cannot image what has happened to the missing packages. They were sent out the same way every one of my shipments has been, which never had a problem before.
    You sure bout that? Not only me, but several of us who joined the split did not even get a reply from you when we pm-ed you. We even pm-ed each other to ask if either one had received the split. Requested the tracking receipt number from you but was ignored as well. Been thru so many splits and tracking receipt number was given to me without fail. If shipments were sent, as you claimed, do provide the tracking receipt number, thanks. Member like TaiTran, who participated in 3 split of yours, received no follow up from you. It hard to believe from your part of the story, proof it. Been such a long time since the split was closed.

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    I recieved a split from ssv as well. He mentioned something bad has happened when i inquired what was taking so long.

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    I highly doubt this is a "SCAM". Such accusations should probably be reserved for members who have not established such a trustworthy record over the years.

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    Some of the worst cases of scamming came from long time members with previously good marketplace feedback. We are awaiting the tracking number confirmation from those involved. Please know that Basenotes has no responsibility for deals gone bad as stated in the rules. However, we do alert the community if multiple members complain about non-delivery after funds have been received and after one month has passed. Such is the case here. If these deals are made right this thread will be removed.
    Last edited by stuigi; 6th May 2013 at 12:55 AM.

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    It should be as a rule to have tracking number pm'ed/emailed at all times, on all splits/solds.

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    I agree, but that would require everyone to ship by Priority and it is expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuigi View Post
    I agree, but that would require everyone to ship by Priority and it is expensive.
    Not any longer. Delivery confirmation is available with First Class Mail, but must be sent as packages, not letters.

    I am now using stamps.com for all of my splits. It can also send an e-mail to the recipient alerting them a package is on the way and also sends delivery confirmation numbers, which saves me a ton of time by no longer having to PM everyone with the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuigi View Post
    Some of the worst cases of scamming came from long time members with previously good marketplace feedback. We are awaiting the tracking number confirmation from those involved. Please know that Basenotes has no responsibility for deals gone bad as stated in the rules. However, we do alert the community if multiple members complain about non-delivery after funds have been received and after one month has passed. Such is the case here. If these deals are made right this thread will be removed.
    ( i think i learnt this the hardest way....i just saw this thread for the first time....was not looking before, i had the idea basenotes is the place where only honest people with real interest in perfumes come...much safer then e-bay!(((

    the person took 435 usd from me...told me that he lost tracking number, and that he is so sorry............the seller did not look like honest guy from the start, but his great rating 174 postive feedbacks made me believe all will turn out fine!!

    i went to check on him while i was still covered by 45 days policy and stumbled upon another member who said that she would trust him no matter, that he is only slow, beeign a little disorganized, and kept me calmed down, she told me i should wait 3 months....even that she will help me to get my money back....
    i payed via paypal, with my american express card...does anyone knows if there is some 3 months credit card rule? becasue i can not figure out any other reason why this person who was not a seller suddenly stopped talking to me??

    i feel like i have been scammed 2 times! from 2 persons, and the only explanation is they worked together?

    i dont care about the money anymore...i realized now it was a scam!!! but i wish to say to everyone not to rely on feedback soley!! and its more important who do you buy from then WHAT you buy!! i was focused on lovely perfumes and did not see clearly that i have been lied to so blatantly!! and given stupid explanations!

    i wish i can call someone and explain my situation...i kept quiet for 3 long months, please moderators?
    Last edited by iivanita; 13th May 2013 at 08:58 PM.

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    Please know that ivanita's complaint is not about starshipvelcro.

    Regarding making the shipping confirmation mandatory- I agree it would be a good thing, but there are so many here who complain about the site rules, particularly as they pertain to the marketplace, that instituting shipping requirements would create too much backlash.

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    Dear all,

    I eventually received decants from our good friend starshipvelcro.
    Please see the image here http://i.imgur.com/iTDEtij.jpg
    I guess they had to pass through much hardship to reach me.

    Patrick, thanks for your effort, and I am sorry for the confusion. You are a trust-worthy splitter and I will be happy to buy from you again.

    stuigi, thank you for your support. I truly appreciate your unmatched diligence. Kindly see to my receipt confirmation to consider the best course for this case.

    My fellows who participate in starshipvelcro's splits, I believe your decants are well on their way. I wish you the luck I have had to receive the splits successfully, and happily.

    Best Regards,
    TaiTran

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    I am glad you finally received your decants. If I get confirmation of received goods from the others involved I will delete this part of the thread.

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    Still waiting for additional confirmations over one year later, and now this member is doing the same thing with his sale thread.

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    I'm afraid I have to add negative comment to this thread. A few months ago I purchased an item from starshipvelcro, sent payment, then haven't heard from him for I think 2-3 weeks despite numerous PMs and emails sent. Eventually re-appeared, apologizing for being busy with school, and then shipped the item - though never sent the tracking number that he promised he would (and I followed up via PM and email couple times, never got response, the package just arrived one day out of the blue).

    Recently I paid for another item he had listed for sale, sent payment, he acknowledged it, etc. Amazing that when it comes to initial sale and taking money he responds very quickly. Well, the story has repeated itself - couple weeks went by with no response, finally re-appeared with an excuse he was sick, in a hospital for a week, then that he was busy with school again, then that he's moving with his family to a new house at the end of the month and his life's a mess. He promised to ship the item out and send me the tracking number. Couple days went by, and it got worse. He sent a PM that the item I paid for 2+ weeks earlier has already been sold a while back. Saving grace is he offered to send PayPal refund and did deliver on that promise within 24 hours (thank you for that).

    Sorry, starshipvelcro, but you need to get your life in order if you want people to trust you. I didn't give you negative feedback thinking perhaps this was a one-time incident, but seeing as others are also running into similar issues... I hope you can either remove your sales thread until you get things sorted out, or treat it a little more seriously - people get kind of funny when it comes to sending money to a stranger and the stranger disappears for weeks at a time.

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    I have heard enough. starshipvelcro has been banned from the marketplace.

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    Hi. Im having an issue with heperd's split. I paid 83usd and hasn't had contact in almost 1 month. I paid via paypal friends and family at his request (probably a big mistake there) so I can't try for refund via that site. I'm hoping is just him being busy as he has done that in the past but I am also thinking be might be scamming people.can the mood try emailing him too?

    Maybe there should be a sticky to rewind people not to use friends and family mode in paypal.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I emailed him today asking for a paypal refund so hopefully he responds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwijunglist View Post
    Maybe there should be a sticky to rewind people not to use friends and family mode in paypal.
    Actually, it is there.

    The following is stated in the thread called "Splits policy revision 11/9/2012, UPDATE 4/16/2014- PLEASE READ" which is stickied at the top of the Fragrance Splits Board.
    It is also in the "Marketplace rules revised- please read" threads which are stickied at the top of the Sale, Wanted and Swap Boards.


    "NOTE 4/20/2014- Many members ask for the "gift" option to be selected when receiving payments by Paypal. It then appears that Basenotes condones such requests with which Paypal might understandably have a problem. In addition, choosing the gift option eliminates the ability to file a complaint on a deal gone bad. Basenotes is therefore initiating a policy of not allowing the public request of such an option."






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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwijunglist View Post
    Hi. Im having an issue with heperd's split. I paid 83usd and hasn't had contact in almost 1 month. I paid via paypal friends and family at his request (probably a big mistake there) so I can't try for refund via that site. I'm hoping is just him being busy as he has done that in the past but I am also thinking be might be scamming people.can the mood try emailing him too?

    Maybe there should be a sticky to rewind people not to use friends and family mode in paypal.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I emailed him today asking for a paypal refund so hopefully he responds...
    If you paid with paypal, but the funds came from a credit card, you can do a chargeback by calling the credit card company.

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    I think all threads posted in forum should have a compulsory paragraph added with brief bass note bullet points/conditions.

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    Yea I'm not sure ifi can do a carge back unless I can prove that paypal didn't pay the "seller" which is probably not the case as I'm sure they paid him. Anyways hopefully this is just a case of him being a bit busy or lazy and he will come through for me with a refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwijunglist View Post
    Yea I'm not sure ifi can do a carge back unless I can prove that paypal didn't pay the "seller" which is probably not the case as I'm sure they paid him. Anyways hopefully this is just a case of him being a bit busy or lazy and he will come through for me with a refund.
    You can do a chargeback even if PayPal already paid him.

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    The problem is that if you use the so-called gift option (Friends and Family), you are not entitled to receive anything from the person you sent the gift to-- otherwise, it wouldn't be a gift, would it?

    How can one file a claim because one didn't receive something in exchange for a gift? If one expects to receive something in exchange for money sent, then it was a payment, not a gift. And the recipient of the payment ought to have paid the PayPal fees for their service as per the agreement we all sign with PayPal.

    Asking people to send a payment disguised as a gift is not only cheating PayPal of its legitimate fees, but it is also cheating the buyer of his PayPal buyer protection.


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    +1. It was from October 2013, gave up trying to chase him.


    Quote Originally Posted by kiwijunglist View Post
    Hi. Im having an issue with heperd's split. I paid 83usd and hasn't had contact in almost 1 month. I paid via paypal friends and family at his request (probably a big mistake there) so I can't try for refund via that site. I'm hoping is just him being busy as he has done that in the past but I am also thinking be might be scamming people.can the mood try emailing him too?

    Maybe there should be a sticky to rewind people not to use friends and family mode in paypal.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I emailed him today asking for a paypal refund so hopefully he responds...

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    On PayPal I don't think it comes up with the word "gift".

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    • When you click the Send & Request tab, you come to a page with 4 options:
    Pay for goods or services
    Send money to friends or family
    Request money
    Create invoice

    It's pretty clear that payments for good or services have their own tab.

    However, if you click the "Help" link at the bottom of the page, you can find articles that address specific issues.
    I had to remove the links as they seemed to link to my account, but a little hunting will find you these pages. I will quote the relevant text in italics. Bolding and underlining and red color are added by me for clarity.
    _____________________________________


    What are the Fees for PayPal accounts?


    Goods and services – Purchase payments:

There’s no fee to use PayPal to purchase goods or services. However, if you receive money for goods or services (such as from selling an item on eBay), the fee for each transaction is 2.9% plus $0.30 USD of the amount you receive.

    ______________________________________


    Buyer Protection
    If an eligible item that you’ve purchased online, eBay or otherwise, doesn’t arrive or doesn’t match the seller’s description, we will look into it. If it's discovered that something is wrong, our Purchase Protection will reimburse you for the full purchase price of the item plus shipping costs.
    ...
    Items Not Covered
    Intangible items like digital goods or services, real estate, motorized vehicles (of any kind), custom made items, travel tickets, industrial machinery (for manufacturing), prepaid cards, or items that violate our policies or eBay’s policies, anything you buy in person, or money transfers to friends or family. You must open any dispute within 45 days or you will not be covered.
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    From the User Agreement
    13.3 Ineligible Items.


    PayPal Purchase Protection only applies to PayPal payments for certain tangible, physical goods. Payments for the following are not eligible for reimbursement under PayPal Purchase Protection:

    •. Intangible items, including Digital Goods
    •. Services
    •. Real estate, including residential property
    •. Businesses
    •. Vehicles, including motor vehicles, motorcycles, caravans, aircraft and boats
    •. Custom-made items
    •. Travel tickets, including airline flight tickets
    •. Items prohibited by the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
    •. Items which you collect in person or arrange to be collected on your behalf, including items bought through In-Store Checkout at the retail point of sale
    •. Items that violate eBay’s Prohibited or Restricted Items Policy
    •. Industrial machinery used in manufacturing
    •. Items equivalent to cash, including prepaid or gift cards
    •. PayPal Direct Payments
    •. Virtual Terminal Payments
    •. Personal Payments

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    PayPal User Agreement

    4. Receiving Money.
    4.1 Receiving Personal Payments. If you are selling goods or services, you may not ask the buyer to send you a Personal Payment for the purchase. If you do so, PayPal may remove your ability to accept Personal Payments.

    ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––

    As someone who has sold using PayPal, I can tell you that if, as a seller, I create an invoice for selling goods, this generates a tracking number. The tracking number can be used by the buyer to file a claim for non-receipt of the goods.

    If the buyer sends a Friends or Family type payment, this does not generate a tracking number-- because there is nothing to track or claim. No tracking number-- not protected.

    No, the the word "gift" isn't used (but it used to be)-- after all, it could be a personal loan you are making-- but it is clear that Friends or Family is not the tab to use for making a purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixerscent View Post
    +1. It was from October 2013, gave up trying to chase him.
    I wish I knew...
    Last edited by stuigi; 28th August 2014 at 01:35 PM. Reason: discussion of personal split

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    I think we cross-posted, kiwijunglist-- see my post above yours for information from PayPal's Help pages.


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    Yup I am aware of that. I thought at the time I'm kinda screwed if this guy rips me off, but I trusted the seller based on the number of prior splits.

    I'm on my phone sip hard top type but basically I think that every thread in the forum should have a paragraph starting some terms designed to protect buyers (I know some of this is hidden away in the sticky). Also I think people advertising splits should actually purchase the item prior to splitting as otherwise the delay with payments + shipping + rebottling + reshipping easily puts people other the 45 day refund point.

    However I still have some hope that this guy is just caught up with other things and will make good on the split.

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    I think most buyers are not aware of the problem with sending payments using Friends or Family.

    Also I think most sellers aren't being nefarious; they just have not thought through the implications of asking buyers to pay this way.

    I also think you make a very good point about the problem with the 45 days to file. Seems like to keep their PayPal protection, buyers should not have to send payment until all slots are filled and the splitter is ready to make the purchase, and that the splitter should then ship out the splits quickly to avoid claims being filed at 44 days post-payment.


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    I was not aware of the potential problems until I read through this thread. I'm glad I did, thanks for the detailed information.

    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post
    I think most buyers are not aware of the problem with sending payments using Friends or Family.

    Also I think most sellers aren't being nefarious; they just have not thought through the implications of asking buyers to pay this way.

    I also think you make a very good point about the problem with the 45 days to file. Seems like to keep their PayPal protection, buyers should not have to send payment until all slots are filled and the splitter is ready to make the purchase, and that the splitter should then ship out the splits quickly to avoid claims being filed at 44 days post-payment.

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    You're welcome. I am bowing out of the thread now as I am neither a splitter nor (so far) a buyer of splits.


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    No contact from heperd still.

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    I have given him a last chance.

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    I've known heperd (Jon) on here and through Facebook for a while, he's been doing this for many years now so this is very, very surprising that suddenly he's fallen off the map. I sent him a message last week on Facebook to let him know that people over here were trying to get in touch with him and he's not responded, nor does it say he's viewed the message. The last post he made over on FB was August 24. My inclination is that something is up with him in some respect, he's been splitting far too long to all of a sudden decide to start scamming people. Of course, this does not excuse taking money and not communicating with people and not sending them what they ordered. Hopefully this can all be resolved and everyone gets their stuff or gets their money back. I'll continue to try and get in touch with him over on FB.
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    I hope he's all right. Things do happen to people.

    Thank you for trying to contact him, fitch256.


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    I agree with fitch256. I've been in quite a few splits with heperd (although not recently), so this is surprising to me as well. I hope he's okay and that this all gets resolved soon.

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    FYI. I've had my transaction refunded by paypal, so no longer require a refund or split from heperd.

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    Very interesting, and good news.


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    I have been in on countless splits from Heperd and he has been an asset to these boards and has really helped me in my fragrance journey. I hope he is well and I sincerely doubt there is any scam going on.
    My current top ten:
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    4. Noir de Noir
    5. Bois d'Argent
    6. Musc Ravageur
    7. Apple Brandy
    8. Dior Homme Intense
    9. Aoud 1
    10.Tobacco Vanille

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    I really hope Heperd is ok, I have done a couple splits with him in the past and he was very responsive. Have also bought a few bottles off him and always great communication. So this does alarm me as well I hope everything is ok.

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    I've requested Heperd let me send my Aventus back: it doesn't smell like Aventus, doesn't open up, doesn't have the sillage, and doesn't have the staying power. I asked for a refund or a batch switch, but with no response. Checked the forum and saw how he's not contacting anyone about the payments they sent. Figured that's the final straw: actually called Paypal and they said because I selected it as "payment" and not for goods, I couldn't dispute it. Called them, and they say that I put in the payment note, "for Aventus," they're letting me dispute.

    Heperd answered me quickly and sent the item out, but the cologne doesn't smell like Aventus at all. It's lemony, but that's about it. And I've worn bathes from Neaman Marcus and PerfumedCourt.

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    At this point I have no choice, despite his previously excellent record here, but to ban heperd from the marketplace. He was on the site on 8/31, three days after I locked his split thread and posted that he should contact me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuigi View Post
    At this point I have no choice, despite his previously excellent record here, but to ban heperd from the marketplace. He was on the site on 8/31, three days after I locked his split thread and posted that he should contact me.
    At least we know he's ok lol, but I am still very disappointed he would do such thing. Seemed like such a nice guy

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    As of November 18, the PayPal deadline for filing a claim (for non-receipt or item not as described) will be increased to 180 days.

    https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...-policies-full

    This longer period for filing a claim should help people buying splits. (But remember to click "Pay for goods or services", not "Send money to friends and family".)


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    I strongly think all split posts should have a compulsory paragraph that states the above and the reason why.

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    Bc the splitters may email people with payment instructions and advice people to use friends and family to avoid fees.

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    I have heard from heperd. Upon his fulfillment of all orders I will remove the ban.

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    Win regard to the PayPal thing,
    Would it not be best if the seller wants to NOT PAY the fees to do the following.

    Agree with the seller that you will pay via PayPal for goods, NOT gift option.
    Once the goods are recieved in good order, the buyer will then agree to send the menial amount that the seller has been charged?

    OR (and this seems much more logical!)

    SELLERS just charge what they wanted plus an extra few £ or $ to cover the fees if they're that tight.

    Surely, if the seller is genuine, and is shipping out, they will have no issues. If they demand gift option, then boycott the seller, they will soon loose sales and have to change their idea.

    Seriously can't see this being a problem!
    My frag list top ten (which changes pretty regular!)
    1- Creed Royal Oud
    2- Creed Aventus
    3- Acqua di Parma Oud concentree
    4- Bvlgari Man in Black
    5- Amouage Fate Man
    6- Nasomatto Duro
    7- Jean Paul DuPont Oud d'or
    8- Ormonde Jayne Nawab of Oudh
    9- Nasomatto Black Afgano
    10- Shay&blue Oud Alif

    (Yes, I'm an Oud addict!)

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    It honestly has not been an issue in any of my splits. I always give everyone two prices - regular PayPal payment option, and Friends/Family option. If you've done some splits with me and feel comfortable, you may choose to use the F/F option, otherwise feel free to use the regular PayPal payment - which includes the buyer protection 30 Roses mentioned above. I understand and appreciate the logic behind some splitters offering only F/F option, but you as a split participant can always opt to use the regular PayPal option instead, just add the fees to it - and you'll be covered and the splitter will still get the same amount. From my perspective, as long as the cost of the fragrance, atomizers, labels, printing, boxes, decanting utilities, packing supplies, shipping, etc, get covered - I really don't care whether the payment comes in F/F format or regular PayPal payment. The difference is really only on the sender's side - the regular option just adds a few dollars to cover the PayPal fees.

    Forcing all splitters to only accept regular PayPal payments sounds fair on surface, however, it penalizes those who are doing honest job and who want to offer fragrances at the lowest possible split price to others, while not giving split participants the option to save a few dollars they don't necessarily have to pay otherwise. It's not a lot, but every split price would have to go up by $3-$6 to cover these PayPal fees.

    My thinking is that splitters are slightly different breed than people just selling their own used stock of fragrances in the FOR SALE forum. "Bad apples" can happen, I suppose, but I think those are very (very!) rare, and can be spotted easily and quickly - and there are some safeguards already in place for anyone who'd like to split anything, requirements they need to meet, etc. If a splitter disappears for even a few days without prior notice, that's a red flag right there. I just went on mini-vacation myself and even while overseas, I was logging in daily to BN to check on PMs, my split thread, etc, and even arranged for someone to decant, label, and ship out a few of the bottles in my absence. If anything, splitters have higher risk of running into "bad split participants" who bail out on splits after they close, who do not respond to payment requests, etc. I think there's a lot more risk in buying a used/partial bottle of a fragrance in the FOR SALE forum, where many people have little to no selling history, no repeat sales to establish track record, and can (and often do) disappear for days at a time without responding to PMs or anyone even noticing their absence - and I think perhaps that's where the rules should require everyone to use the regular PayPal payment option, with buyer protection. Ultimately it's up to the buyer to decide if they want to take their chances - it's just like insurance. Everyone knows it's good to have it, but sometimes the cost of insurance vs the low risk involved may simply not be worth it.

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    Very true splitters never force anyone to use the friends and fam option you can always use the pay for goods option and pay the extra few bucks depending on how much you are spending. Some splitters like Remik , palmbeach and mikesc usually let you know how much to pay if you want to pay using FF or regular paypal. Thank you to all the splitters I have mentioned you guys are awesome, splits are very hard and time consuming just know we appreciate your guys hard work. And thank you for still doing splits even though some ppl flake that must be so frustrating you guys rock! Much respect

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    Oh yes, I would be far more inclined to opt for a split than take a risk on ebay, or buy a half used bottle from someone who isn't pre-vetted and vouched for like the qualified splitters on this board. Since Paypal has discontinued the Family/Friends payment option from Singapore, I have no choice but to pay them (Paypal) their pound of flesh. There's a fixed formula to calculate this differential, depending where you're sending money to (USA is 3.9% of the sum plus 30 cents)....so it's easy for the sender to figure out how much extra to send.

    I think the splitters here are providing a fantastic experience and am grateful to them for it. It is very easy to figure out who to do business with....just keep monitoring the threads and you will know by the comments on it.

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    Default Re: Scammer alert?

    Quote Originally Posted by stuigi View Post
    I have heard from heperd. Upon his fulfillment of all orders I will remove the ban.
    So what was the story.He never contacted me.

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    Please see my post above.

    - - - Updated - - -

    spcmiller has been banned as a scammer

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