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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Quote Originally Posted by rynegne View Post
    Agree with this, but I haven't tried Poivre Samarkande. And I especially agree with the licorice note, I too wish it lasted longer.

    I am not sure about the Kyoto and Avignon references. I find Kyoto and Avignon to be much more clean, crisp and upstanding. Whereas CDG Black gets down in the dirt and gets messy, full of tary, grimy goodness. Avignon and Kyoto are of a higher power, both I find churchy. Black doesn't go to church. Black is the offbeat younger, crazier brother that only plays with hints of incense rather than showing all of his cards. Black is a wild one and transitions as such throughout the life of the fragrance. The rest of the incense series stays linear to my nose at least, varying only slightly in dry down. Black shifts gears, and hard in transition. Never easing off the smoky tary clutch as different accords play in back.
    Fair enough but nevertheless both Avignon and Kyoto are incense fragrances which I find dry and un-sweet (unlike Indian incense for example). In this respect Black is very similar. My original statement has been misconstrued: I merely said that if you like the two aforementioned of the incense series then you will enjoy Black too. I stand by that statement although I have yet to try others in the CDG incense series.

    I will need to try it again but my initial impression, unlike yours, has found that the incense is more noticeable than just merely being hinted at. I also find that Black is quite linear but a bit more complex than either Avignon or Kyoto, therefore I haven't picked up on any marked transitions. Again my impression is of neither dirt nor grim nor messiness nor smoothness. I find it quite harsh (but not in a bad way), austere and somewhat Gothic neither of which implies what you've described.

    There's nothing to it but to retry all three. I would like to pick up on this liquorice note you've mentioned although I really got nothing of the sort nor did I get much vetiver. As always, impressions are totally subjective and bound to differ. Thus far this proves to be a case in point. Maybe being able to give good sprays instead of just dabbing a sample is what is making up the differences.
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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Sometimes I find dabbing from samples makes a fragrance much flatter. I have a dabber and sprayer CDG 2 Man bottle and I love how different they smell when applied. It doesn't last very long though, maybe a half hour. I'm going to try dabbing today to see if I can grab more incense from this. Definitely try spraying Black a few times. I think you'll be able to pull that liquorice note off the top and vetiver in the middle and get a more transitional version. I do agree that all three fragrances share that dry vibe. However, I'm not a big fan of Avignon because I think it's too sharp, cold and stark. Black is more warm, tary and pungent. Just my opinion. And I enjoy reading yours :-) Thank you for sharing!

    Quote Originally Posted by chopwet View Post
    Fair enough but nevertheless both Avignon and Kyoto are incense fragrances which I find dry and un-sweet (unlike Indian incense for example). In this respect Black is very similar. My original statement has been misconstrued: I merely said that if you like the two aforementioned of the incense series then you will enjoy Black too. I stand by that statement although I have yet to try others in the CDG incense series.

    I will need to try it again but my initial impression, unlike yours, has found that the incense is more noticeable than just merely being hinted at. I also find that Black is quite linear but a bit more complex than either Avignon or Kyoto, therefore I haven't picked up on any marked transitions. Again my impression is of neither dirt nor grim nor messiness nor smoothness. I find it quite harsh (but not in a bad way), austere and somewhat Gothic neither of which implies what you've described.

    There's nothing to it but to retry all three. I would like to pick up on this liquorice note you've mentioned although I really got nothing of the sort nor did I get much vetiver. As always, impressions are totally subjective and bound to differ. Thus far this proves to be a case in point. Maybe being able to give good sprays instead of just dabbing a sample is what is making up the differences.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    " . . lightly charred . . a barn . . burnt down . . basted in tar . . peppered anise". You got my attention!

    pulls hand back from PRESS TO ORDER button. I do love Black Tourmaline, but I've got it, don't need a duplicate. But it is Comme des Garcons after all. If CdG Black is better than B. Tourmaline I must have it, I lemming on.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    I think the two are different enough that they can share the same wardrobe. Plus, it's Comme des Garcons soon to be weird new masterpiece :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzlepuff View Post
    " . . lightly charred . . a barn . . burnt down . . basted in tar . . peppered anise". You got my attention!

    pulls hand back from PRESS TO ORDER button. I do love Black Tourmaline, but I've got it, don't need a duplicate. But it is Comme des Garcons after all. If CdG Black is better than B. Tourmaline I must have it, I lemming on.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Quote Originally Posted by rynegne View Post
    Upon first spray, CDG Black starts off with a really dark blast of peppery liquorice and tar (think T-Gel light.) It's quite brash and in-your-face. The liquorice note I get is similar to that of Slumberhouse Vikt. Black smells like lightly charred wood that you might find on a barn that burnt down, basted lightly in tar, with a hint of peppered anise.
    OMG, off to order a sample!

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    It's cooler out today. Wearing Black and getting more whiffs of incense than I did during my initial testing. It's 65 today, it was 85 during my first wear. Still a brash opening, just more mellow during the dry down. Much more woody and more incense.

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    I've got to try this stuff!

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Yup, I ended up ordering it blind None of the stores carrying CdG in Copenhagen had it (nor had they heard about it, it seemed) so I happily bought it blind from Aus Liebe Zum Duft They usually throw a bunch of nice samples in, so added bonus there.
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    it will be on my next order from luckyscent
    14 sprays of DRAKKAR NOIR should do it

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    Black Tourmaline by Olivier Durbano little brother.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    thanks..it sounds good! must try
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  12. #42

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    Congrats on the pickup. You're really going to like it, I think. Post your thoughts here if you're not opposed to doing so. I'd love to hear what others think of this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by NorstrÝm View Post
    Yup, I ended up ordering it blind None of the stores carrying CdG in Copenhagen had it (nor had they heard about it, it seemed) so I happily bought it blind from Aus Liebe Zum Duft They usually throw a bunch of nice samples in, so added bonus there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynegne View Post
    Congrats on the pickup. You're really going to like it, I think. Post your thoughts here if you're not opposed to doing so. I'd love to hear what others think of this one.
    I was planning to do so anyway No reason to create more threads about the same subject, especially when we already have one as good as this one
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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    By far the best "mainstream-ish" Comme Des Garcons since CDG2Man. Total endorsement here.

    Comparisons to Vikt and Black Torumaline make sense but I find Black to be way more versatile than either. To the above calls, I'll add a tad of the peppery-iso-vetiver surrounded by a touch of sweetness also found in Kenzoair. CDG's typical restraint and minimalism is what makes the real difference here. I'm a total sucker for this fragrance and I'll add my voice to the chorus of people saying this is one of the best CDGs in ages (if we exclude their most "avant" stuff such as CDG EDP 2011) but, at the same time, it is not as "arty" as , say, Guerrilla 1, the Synthetic Series or Stephen Jones. This is more of an every-day CDG and would make one hell of a signature.
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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Have been waiting to hear your view on this one, alfarom. The stamp of approval from our own CdG expert, those Germans better mail me my Black swiftly!
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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    I am salivating for a bottle at the moment after reading all you guys's thoughts... very tempting for a blind buy because CdG has always been one of my favorite designers.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Quote Originally Posted by NorstrÝm View Post
    Have been waiting to hear your view on this one, alfarom. The stamp of approval from our own CdG expert, those Germans better mail me my Black swiftly!
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    It's not a CDG masterpiece without the alfarom stamp of approval! Reading your reviews got me into Comme des Garcons fragrances. You're definitely a nose that I trust, I always love reading your take on all fragrances.

    Quote Originally Posted by alfarom View Post
    By far the best "mainstream-ish" Comme Des Garcons since CDG2Man. Total endorsement here.

    Comparisons to Vikt and Black Torumaline make sense but I find Black to be way more versatile than either. To the above calls, I'll add a tad of the peppery-iso-vetiver surrounded by a touch of sweetness also found in Kenzoair. CDG's typical restraint and minimalism is what makes the real difference here. I'm a total sucker for this fragrance and I'll add my voice to the chorus of people saying this is one of the best CDGs in ages (if we exclude their most "avant" stuff such as CDG EDP 2011) but, at the same time, it is not as "arty" as , say, Guerrilla 1, the Synthetic Series or Stephen Jones. This is more of an every-day CDG and would make one hell of a signature.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    I was impressed with this one, too. But in lieu of laziness, I'll paste some thoughts I jotted down elsewhere here:

    This is a really complex composition, and it almost seems to be a cheeky response to the current oud saturation in that its combined effect is somewhat oud-esque (heavy, shifting, bitter etc.). To my nose, the birch tar dominates; but hilariously, it's reconfigured by the supporting notes as a reflection of warm tarmac—the same scent of road construction. It seems to be achieving this through the combination of the peppery liquorice, dirty leather, and a slight smokiness from the incense. The vetiver / cedarwood base give the whole mix some real gravity, and yet it's oddly refreshing and uplifting. My initial reaction to this in the store was that it's the safest thing CdG has done in a while, but that's changing now and I think what they've done is incredibly clever. I'm undecided on wearability / practicality at this point (although it clearly ties into their most recent capsule wardrobe of black and gray), but the more I smell this, the more I'm starting to think of it as a primarily conceptual venture (which, of course, is what problematizes the CdG-as-designer/niche dyad). Sadly, as with many fragrances from this line, it's fairly fleeting—but I think that's the reason it comes in a 100ml bottle, making it still good value for money. As expected, a hugely clever, artisinal release from CdG that only serves to elucidate the distinction between designer fragrance as art and designer fragrance as cheap, crass commercialism.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Must...buy...

    Sounds more like a cooler weather scent to me (e.g. I find 2 Man to be an autumn/winter scent), so maybe I will hold off until the evil Japanese summer has passed. The initial description made me hope that it would hit that perfect CdG balance of mainstream wearable but actually pretty quirky, and everyone's impressions seem to reinforce this.
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    Definitely a blast of tar and road construction. I'm really having difficulty pulling from this one is the incense...I keep reading that it's a big player in Black but I find it playing a minor supporting role. I'm giving this another sniff as I type and it's my third time wearing CDG Black. Each time, I am finding Black slightly more "wearable," although challenging overall. I'm glad I have this one, but I'm not sure how much and when I'll be wearing Black. It's a little dark with the tar overload, I think I would like it a lot more more if it were more subtle.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    To my nose, the birch tar dominates; but hilariously, it's reconfigured by the supporting notes as a reflection of warm tarmac—the same scent of road construction.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Quote Originally Posted by rynegne View Post
    I'm really having difficulty pulling from this one is the incense...I keep reading that it's a big player in Black but I find it playing a minor supporting role.
    It's there, but it's minor -- rightly so. I think they nailed the effect, and any more would have just confused it (road construction in a monastery). It's so well-done, but yeah, wearing it will take some getting used to. I found that it does mellow out, but it's still a tough hang. It's aesthetically brilliant, though.

    How's longevity on you? It's pretty weak on me, but I don't expect that much from CdG.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    I completely agree with you.

    I get about the same as 2 Man, about 7 hours. Not too bad for an EDT. I'm applying to my forearms and neck (2x.)

    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    It's there, but it's minor -- rightly so. I think they nailed the effect, and any more would have just confused it (road construction in a monastery). It's so well-done, but yeah, wearing it will take some getting used to. I found that it does mellow out, but it's still a tough hang. It's aesthetically brilliant, though.

    How's longevity on you? It's pretty weak on me, but I don't expect that much from CdG.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    I hope it will perform as admirably as my other CdG's, as in spite of my skin damping most scents, they seem to perform quite well on my skin. Hell, even Vettiveru lasts at least 6-8 hours on my skin, and 10+ if applied more liberally! I get massive longevity from both Avignon and CdG 2 MAN, and I think the scents play tricks on people thinking they don't last. In the beginning I though 2 MAN didn't last, but after napping while wearing it, I woke up in a hellstorm of 2 MAN The culprit might be the massive doses of Iso E Super in the scents?
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    If only I could wake up like this every day, my life would be complete.

    Quote Originally Posted by NorstrÝm View Post
    I woke up in a hellstorm of 2 MAN
    And yes, after about 7 hours with both I still have lingering around. I find both very much skin scents after 6-8 hours, lasting an additional 2-3 w/ the ISO as you've stated. Both have pretty good longevity. Especially, CDG Black, being an Eau de Toilette.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Does anyone else get a slightly cleaner, less robust version of Bois D'Ascece in the beginning and some Marc Jacobs Bang in the drydown? Or is it just me? Lol

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    3 things longevity, name and overall design of the bottle that bother's me

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    What specifically about each bothers you?

    Quote Originally Posted by outline View Post
    3 things longevity, name and overall design of the bottle that bother's me

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    ... Sadly, as with many fragrances from this line, it's fairly fleeting....
    I've had to opposite experience with Wonderwood, Amazingreen, CDG2, CDG2Man and now Black. They all last a very long time. They do well in the longevity stakes.

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    Default Re: Comme des Garcons - Black Eau de Toilette (My Initial Throughts)

    Quote Originally Posted by chopwet View Post
    I've had to opposite experience with Wonderwood, Amazingreen, CDG2, CDG2Man and now Black. They all last a very long time. They do well in the longevity stakes.
    I need to figure out what it is about my skin that just sucks up CdG. With 2Man, the ISO E Super sticks around for some time, but it's those delicious top notes that I want more of, and they're gone fast on me. Avignon holds up a little better.

    I just decant and reapply -- I have no problem doing that for fragrances this good.

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