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    Default Skin/health issue , anyone care?

    I do not spray any cologne on my skin. No matter how expensive$$$$$$ it marks itself to be. Unless it is vegan/natural essential oil.

    They are just chemicals. The ingredients say it clear. The ingredient "perfume" means what? Well, you guess...

    Your skin is the biggest absorbent organ, You don't want to absorb these chemicals into your body.

    No company out there would claim it is safe to put perfume on your skin, as I know of.

    Well maybe they well manipulate the tradition of perfum making that it "should be safe".
    But no more it is, my dear, it is the chemical factory era now.

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    So in other words, you just spray on your clothes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    So in other words, you just spray on your clothes?
    Yep.
    At most, I spray on my hair (sounds weird), which I believe to be least direct to my blood.

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    Not worried in the slightest.

    Given your beliefs, perhaps this is not the hobby for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    Not worried in the slightest.
    I respect everyone's judgement and application.
    At the end, it is a very personal choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    Given your beliefs, perhaps this is not the hobby for you.
    Agree.

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    Even essential oils are, guess what, chemicals. Just not as pure with more than one chemical but from a plant source. Organic pesticides are also chemicals, some of which are more toxic than some man made chemicals. Inhalation is an extremely fast way to absorb drugs which are chemicals so you should also avoid smelling those chemicals. And if you are a strict vegan you must avoid salt because there is no organic salt which is a mineral that is mined or collected from evaporated from salt water. If I were you and were worried I would run as fast as I could away from perfumes. Scarry stuff for sure. It might kill you.
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    I only get minor skin rash on neck if I frequently aim the sprayer at that area so I avoid it. I do spray on wrist, chest and have no problem. I sometimes spray on clothes and hair just like you mentioned so if it works for you, continue doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    Not worried in the slightest.

    Given your beliefs, perhaps this is not the hobby for you.
    The OP has a point. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of propyls knows that many of them are not good for the body. Trying to find a toiletry product that doesn't contain them is the hard part! If the OP wants to enjoy nice fragrances, spraying on clothing seems a good option.

    I should add that I cannot wear Ambra Mediterranea except on the wrists because my eyes water from the fumes many hours after application.

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    There are safe ways and unsafe ways to do things, I guess.
    And what is safe or not can be up to a subjective degree.

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    Akahina, I think you are mixing up something; vegan doesn't mean organic. Vegan simply means not consuming animals/animal products.

    Karon, I understand your concerns. And as you said sensitivities are very individual. Some are aware of/worried about hormones in tab water, in cosmetics or in general; afraid of intoxication by exhaust gases, others avoid mineral oil/PEGs/chemical sunscreen on their skin, silicone/surfactants on their hair, and so on.
    Yes, the majority of people does not care about what they put in or on their bodies, where it comes from and how it affects the environment. It's a pity but this must be accepted.
    And unfortunately informative hints in this direction usually run into opposition.

    I agree with Akahina that within a few seconds after you are smelling and inhaling the fragrance the chemicals are in your lungs and in your blood.
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    I live in a city full of vegans. And I have many vegan friends. I don't know a single one that does not insist on organic veggies. And I was making a point about chemicals. I am certainly not confusing "organic" with "vegan". After decades in the field I assure you I know the difference! Point is that everything we use is composed of chemicals and there is an assumption that chemicals are bad by some people that take a kernal of truth and become obsessive about it. A little knowledge can scare the crap out of people. More knowlege gives a better perspective. For me, I am not the least bit worried about using fragrances or eating any food I want to. If it were all going to kill me I would be dead by now and my Mother would not have lived to 94.
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    The amount of ingredient ingested through any well conditioned epidermis would be no more unsafe than inhaling it and having it ingested via the lungs. If you are bothered in that way then really wearing it any which way is equally unsafe from that point of view. I suggest you merely select your fragrance ingredients carefully before wearing them. Then it is a more considered matter. It is an important aspect from an aromatherapy angle in my own perfumery journey.
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    As a related topic, some people concern themselves with parabens, sulfates and pthalates. Yet, the FDA and numerous studies have found them completely safe given the amounts actually found in products combined with the length of time on the skin. While I try to be mindful of foods/products I consume, I wouldn't imagine a cologne to cause much harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragmeister View Post
    The OP has a point. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of propyls knows that many of them are not good for the body. Trying to find a toiletry product that doesn't contain them is the hard part! If the OP wants to enjoy nice fragrances, spraying on clothing seems a good option.

    I should add that I cannot wear Ambra Mediterranea except on the wrists because my eyes water from the fumes many hours after application.
    All of us have the occasional allergic reaction.

    Everything in life can kill you. Anything can make you sick. Often, the substances labeled as "all natural" or "organic" are the worst offenders.

    Life is nothing but a series of choices based on acceptable risk. Frankly, I'm in the camp that thinks the current regulations are far too stringent already, and that it's silly to ban substances or regulate them based on allergic reactions in very small populations. Peanuts can kill, but the solution that seems to work is simply to notify when they're being used, not to ban peanuts for the general population.

    I am not worried in the slightest. If I was, I'd find another hobby to obsess over. Not meant to be a value judgment on the op -- we all decide what level of risk is acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    The amount of ingredient ingested through any well conditioned epidermis would be no more unsafe than inhaling it and having it ingested via the lungs. If you are bothered in that way then really wearing it any which way is equally unsafe from that point of view. I suggest you merely select your fragrance ingredients carefully before wearing them. Then it is a more considered matter. It is an important aspect from an aromatherapy angle in my own perfumery journey.
    Sorry, that can't be correct. Otherwise, why would masks need to be worn in enclosed spaces when working with chemicals that could harm us if inhaled, but without the need for gloves? Or why would glue sniffers not just rub the chemicals on their skin instead of inhaling them? Inhalation is a different form of absorption - a much more direct form than via the skin.

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    I do understand the OP's concerns - it crosses my mind from time to time. However, as others have pointed out, if you can smell the fragrance, you are putting them into your system also (just inhalation rather than absorption). However, you are at least avoiding the skin absorption, so that may be a good personal compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karon View Post
    I do not spray any cologne on my skin. No matter how expensive$$$$$$ it marks itself to be. Unless it is vegan/natural essential oil.

    They are just chemicals.
    If you're spraying your clothes, the chemicals are still reaching your skin. The idea that they only reach your skin if sprayed directly is 1000000000000000% false. Don't worry - I'm not being a jerk trying to make you feel foolish. I'm just making sure you're aware that spraying your clothes instead of your skin isn't the answer if you don't want those chemicals on your skin.

    Perfume lovers complain when fragrances are reformulated, but it's a double-edge sword because, quite often, fragrances are reformulated in order to stop using potentially dangerous ingredients.

    Now, if "chemicals" is your fear, we need to talk about other things you should be looking out for.

    What kind of pots and pans do you cook with? Guess what's in the non-stick lining? I'll be the first to admit I should have moved on to a different kind of cookware years ago.

    Do you ever eat canned food of any kind? You should research what's in the linings of those cans. It's not what you think.

    Do you eat or drink anything that comes in plastic?

    Do you use plastic wrap when you cover leftovers?

    Do you use any soap, shampoo or grooming product that isn't 100% natural? Does the word "anti-bacterial" ring a bell?

    WHAT'S IN YOUR TOOTHPASTE? That's a biggie. Lookie lookie at all of the chemicals in there. Sodium lauryl sulfate, in particular.

    Do you know what your vegetables have been treated with?

    Do you EAT OUT, or do you limit 100% of your food to that which you cook in your own garden?

    Do you eat any meat products? What did those animals eat?

    I could go on and on and on.

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    So in other words, you just spray on your clothes?
    Quote Originally Posted by karon View Post
    Yep.
    At most, I spray on my hair (sounds weird), which I believe to be least direct to my blood.
    There's no blood in your skull or neck? How about a brain? Chemicals would effect that, right? I understand your thinking is that your hair will absorb the perfume rather than your skin, but your hair will also keep the chemicals around longer to work their way down to your skin.

    Also, any airborne chemicals you smell (it's perfume, after all) are reaching your system via your mouth and nose.

    I'm not criticizing your beliefs or your caution. I'm just making sure you realize that your methods are incorrect. If you don't want the chemicals in perfume in your system, the only answer is to not spray them. If that's your choice, I totally respect it, of course. But if you're afraid of the chemicals yet spray anyway... that's not good for your mental health as your just giving yourself things to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karon View Post
    Yep.
    At most, I spray on my hair (sounds weird), which I believe to be least direct to my blood.
    Like I said... that method doesn't work for protecting you... but it's excellent for holding on to fragrance in general. I know lots of women who do a spray in their hair. I use a spray to the back of my neck and back of my head. Hair can be very effective at keeping fragrance (and its chemicals) around longer.
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    The moral of this story folks is that we choose to live like we want, but that doesn't always mean we are living the safest way. And these days, who's to say what's safe?
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    So help me understand. Breathing in these chemicals is ok but wearing them is not good for a vegan ?

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    Everything in the world is made of chemicals, but it's all relative - more likely to be squished by a car before being poisoned by scent imo.
    But, fortunately, many of us have the choice to do as we please.

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    Used to care, now not so much. It still can influence my choice of fragrance. Do I need to spritz 20 times, or several times a day, to smell a certain fragrance? Does it smell good enough to risk the health of my precious body for it? The latter could lead to me downsizing my collection quite a bit in the future. So, yes, I'm a bit of a health worrier lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nersh View Post
    So help me understand. Breathing in these chemicals is ok but wearing them is not good for a vegan ?
    I think he's concerned about chemicals, which makes sense, but he misunderstands how chemicals enter his body and bloodstream. Perhaps someone who snorts cocaine can explain how things that enter the body via the nose work? ...lolz.

    Seriously though, Karon, you're right to be concerned about your body and your health. But it's important to know how things that may effect the body actually enter the body.
    "Follow your nose. It always knows." -- Toucan Sam

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    I do care but that doesn't stop me.

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    Your skin is not the "biggest absorbent organ". Skin is a relatively impermeable barrier. Very few chemicals are able to be absorbed through skin.
    Meanwhile, the frags you spray on your clothes are being absorbed through the mucous membranes in your mouth, nose, eyes......
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    Fun fact - Many of the substances that IFRA is trying to restrict for health reasons are natural essential oils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjeeling View Post
    Fun fact - Many of the substances that IFRA is trying to restrict for health reasons are natural essential oils.
    Some oils have been getting rarer and way more expensive.
    I believe scent houses are replacing the oils with synthetic chemicals, so:
    -the cost is way lower; profit margin bigger
    -you smell the juice more synthetic, and so want back those vintages
    -and they can tell you they ban something in order to protect you.

    For the lung absorption theory, Yes I totally agree while it is my personal choice to avoid the other route(skin) to come.
    I also believe letting the synthetic components stick on outside of clothes is 'safer' while they sparsely diffuse in the air to my lung than directly sticking on the skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karon View Post
    -the cost is way lower; profit margin bigger
    -you smell the juice more synthetic, and so want back those vintages
    -and they can tell you they ban something in order to protect you.
    .
    Sure, why go for a simple explanation when you can explain it with a convoluted conspiracy theory. I'm convinced.

    Still nothing wrong if you want to spray on clothes rather than your skin. Anyone can do what you want, but I think people will take issue with the very broad generalization that synthetic = bad; natural = good, when natural chemicals can be very dangerous and synthetic chemicals can be benign.

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    June Russell's Health Facts
    Chemical Sensitivities and Perfume

    http://www.jrussellshealth.org/chemsensperf.html

    Meanwhile. It is really from case to case, I'd like to add.
    Just like some people smoke throughout their whole life and they're just fine. Hard to explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjeeling View Post
    Sure, why go for a simple explanation when you can explain it with a convoluted conspiracy theory. I'm convinced.

    Still nothing wrong if you want to spray on clothes rather than your skin. Anyone can do what you want, but I think people will take issue with the very broad generalization that synthetic = bad; natural = good, when natural chemicals can be very dangerous and synthetic chemicals can be benign.
    I take your point, good.

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    Meh, even if they discover in twenty years that the perfumes I use each day are incredibly harmful, I wouldn't regret a thing.

    These days there are reports/studies/testimony that suggest that everything around us is dangerous - I'm not going to avoid antiperspirants, the sun, alcohol, red meat, white pasta, moisturisers, chocolate or fragrance on the chance thay they're harmful in some way.

    While I know that things like cigarettes were previously considered harmless when we now know how harmful they can be, hindsight is 20/20, and I'm not avoiding all the things I enjoy on the possibility of them causing me health problems down the line.

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