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    Quote Originally Posted by karon View Post
    June Russell's Health Facts
    Chemical Sensitivities and Perfume

    http://www.jrussellshealth.org/chemsensperf.html

    Meanwhile. It is really from case to case, I'd like to add.
    Just like some people smoke throughout their whole life and they're just fine. Hard to explain.

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    I take your point, good.
    Posting a link to a crazy persons website doesnt help your point. No one here wants to hear any fake science about how everything is bad for you.
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    June Russell's Health Facts
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Posting a link to a crazy persons website doesnt help your point. No one here wants to hear any fake science about how everything is bad for you.
    Oh lord, I just read some of that site.

    "Instead of emphasizing a healthy, wholesome lifestyle as the best prevention against hepatitis B disease, including refraining from illicit drug use and premarital sexual intercourse..."

    I apologise if this becomes controversial, but as soon as a person starts spouting that immunisation is bad, and abstinence from pre-marital sex is the way to go (and engaging in such is unwholesome and unhealthy), that's my cue to stop paying attention.

    EDIT - and the ten reasons to throw out your microwave oven? Terrific!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragmeister View Post
    Sorry, that can't be correct. Otherwise, why would masks need to be worn in enclosed spaces when working with chemicals that could harm us if inhaled, but without the need for gloves? Or why would glue sniffers not just rub the chemicals on their skin instead of inhaling them? Inhalation is a different form of absorption - a much more direct form than via the skin.
    I meant the perfumes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjeeling View Post
    Fun fact - Many of the substances that IFRA is trying to restrict for health reasons are natural essential oils.
    Fun question. How many of those IFRA bids have a direct financial connection to the aroma chemical business?
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    Hey as long as it doesn't give me erectile dysfunction, I'm ok with it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by timdoeswell View Post
    Oh lord, I just read some of that site.

    "Instead of emphasizing a healthy, wholesome lifestyle as the best prevention against hepatitis B disease, including refraining from illicit drug use and premarital sexual intercourse..."

    I apologise if this becomes controversial, but as soon as a person starts spouting that immunisation is bad, and abstinence from pre-marital sex is the way to go (and engaging in such is unwholesome and unhealthy), that's my cue to stop paying attention.

    EDIT - and the ten reasons to throw out your microwave oven? Terrific!
    ----I began to tell my client on the first visit that under NO circumstance were they to ever do microwaved cooking again. David Bridgman, a kinesiologist with many years experience said, “Of all the people I test for allergies, so far 99.9% show severe sensitivity to any microwaved food.” -----

    Wow......
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    ----I began to tell my client on the first visit that under NO circumstance were they to ever do microwaved cooking again. David Bridgman, a kinesiologist with many years experience said, “Of all the people I test for allergies, so far 99.9% show severe sensitivity to any microwaved food.” -----

    Wow......
    C'mon Heperd, how jaded and cynical are you? I mean, a kinesiologist said that! Do you need any further evidence?

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    Hey as long as it doesn't give me erectile dysfunction, I'm ok with it .

    Now here is a man with his priorities in line. lmao

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    I'll have to ask my reflexology shaman about it before i take it as fact.
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    EPIC thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    The amount of ingredient ingested through any well conditioned epidermis would be no more unsafe than inhaling it and having it ingested via the lungs. If you are bothered in that way then really wearing it any which way is equally unsafe from that point of view. I suggest you merely select your fragrance ingredients carefully before wearing them. Then it is a more considered matter. It is an important aspect from an aromatherapy angle in my own perfumery journey.
    Am I right in thinking that aromatherapy involves the use of essential oils in a carrier oil? Yes, prolonged skin exposure to these oils is harmful.

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    I experienced the same negative response when questioning the safety of some fragrance ingredients on a lesser site. It seems people respond emotionally when their hobby is threatened. I love fragrances but I'd still like to know if it's harmful.

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    I'm sure I'm more likely to die from driving my car than from wearing cologne. Every pleasure in life comes with hazards and no earthly pleasure is perfect. You can sit outside to enjoy the nice weather but you should be ready for some bug bites. Eating the healthiest food in the world will still place a metabolic burden on your liver.

    Cologne is no different. I'm sure it comes with some sort of minor hazard, but to me it's worth the risk.

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    Unfortunately we consume a lot of things ( dietary and non dietary) and we don't know how is it made and where did it come from. I don't worry about fragrances as there are things that are way more dangerous . We consume drugs( medicine) that are not well- studied and some of them were found to later cause cancer and liver problems , but most of us don't ask , because at the moment they were prescribed we felt they were going to help us. Bottom line , if I am going to worry about chemicals in fragrances, I will have to worry about other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karon View Post
    I do not spray any cologne on my skin. No matter how expensive$$$$$$ it marks itself to be. Unless it is vegan/natural essential oil.

    They are just chemicals. The ingredients say it clear. The ingredient "perfume" means what? Well, you guess...

    Your skin is the biggest absorbent organ, You don't want to absorb these chemicals into your body.

    No company out there would claim it is safe to put perfume on your skin, as I know of.

    Well maybe they well manipulate the tradition of perfum making that it "should be safe".
    But no more it is, my dear, it is the chemical factory era now.
    The Lay-person's idea of "chemicals" is a falicy. EVERYTHING is chemicals. Whatever Uber-expensive Vegan Organic food you eat or soap you use is chemicals. Nature is chemicals. PERIOD...The differentiation between naturally occurring and artificial is NONE. Methyl butanoate sounds horrible and toxic, but it is the naturally occurring chemical that makes a pineapple smell like a pineapple. It irks me when people say "I only use organic/natural things... a chemist making a citrus aromatic chemical in a lab is no different than that same chemical occurring in nature...Heck, in High school chemistry class we artificially created water by combining Hydrogen and Oxygen. Artificially...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragmeister View Post
    I experienced the same negative response when questioning the safety of some fragrance ingredients on a lesser site. It seems people respond emotionally when their hobby is threatened. I love fragrances but I'd still like to know if it's harmful.
    I don't think people always respond emotionally to when their hobby or passion is questioned (though it definitely happens), rather the rational person requests supporting information when assertions are made. People say that if someone is going to say something exists or is true, they'd best have irrefutable evidence to back it up.

    I feel my thoughts mirror exactly what Justin Case says when he writes

    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Case View Post
    I'm sure I'm more likely to die from driving my car than from wearing cologne. Every pleasure in life comes with hazards and no earthly pleasure is perfect. You can sit outside to enjoy the nice weather but you should be ready for some bug bites. Eating the healthiest food in the world will still place a metabolic burden on your liver.

    Cologne is no different. I'm sure it comes with some sort of minor hazard, but to me it's worth the risk.
    We're all gonna die of something beyond our control. Live fast, die young, and leave a beautiful-smelling corpse!

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    Life is full of compromises. It has been proven for example that calorie restriction to a certain point will give you the longest lifespan. But do I want to 'survive' on 800 calories a day and be skinny and weedy so that I can get the extra 5 years in my 90's? Or do I want 'live' on 3500 calories to be big and strong and only live to 90? I know which one I'm sticking with.

    I think Bill Hicks hits the nail on the head....

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    I am working on writing a new book, part of it concerns how one can use statistics, and pseudo-science without proof to bolster any claim...children in Great Brittan DIED of measles when some idiots decided to take a pseudo-scientific claim that vaccinations cause autism and post it. Later more scientific studies showed their statistics were flawed...but too late for the poor mums and dads who's kids were dead... There are some benefits to 'all natural' but folks that ate/used all natural products 200 years ago lived to about 50 years old. People who eat/use artificial stuff, and chemical meds live to about 78 years old on average...Hmmmm....
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    And those who will suffer permanent hearing damage, etc. as a result of the current outbreak.

    Good luck with the book & hope it is read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdoeswell View Post
    I don't think people always respond emotionally to when their hobby or passion is questioned (though it definitely happens), rather the rational person requests supporting information when assertions are made. People say that if someone is going to say something exists or is true, they'd best have irrefutable evidence to back it up.

    I feel my thoughts mirror exactly what Justin Case says when he writes



    We're all gonna die of something beyond our control. Live fast, die young, and leave a beautiful-smelling corpse!
    I suppose the question is, how much evidence is enough, if one's heart is set on wearing fragrances anyway? I love this hobby but I'm also aware that big companies don't really care if their ingredients are harmful, so long as they sell stuff. Take the food industry, big pharma, cosmetics...

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    I'm more worried about that dihydrogen monoxide chemical. Deadly when inhaled as a liquid.

    http://www.dhmo.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum-Pie View Post
    I am working on writing a new book, part of it concerns how one can use statistics, and pseudo-science without proof to bolster any claim...children in Great Brittan DIED of measles when some idiots decided to take a pseudo-scientific claim that vaccinations cause autism and post it. Later more scientific studies showed their statistics were flawed...but too late for the poor mums and dads who's kids were dead... There are some benefits to 'all natural' but folks that ate/used all natural products 200 years ago lived to about 50 years old. People who eat/use artificial stuff, and chemical meds live to about 78 years old on average...Hmmmm....
    YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. This is my absolute biggest pet peeve about the human race! The anti-vaccine craziness sets me off every time it's discussed. I worked on some vaccine cases at a U.S. Federal Court about ten years ago and read all the scientific material submitted. To put it as bluntly as possible: there is NO scientific evidence that there is a link between vaccines and the adverse medical conditions supposedly tied to them. NONE. And mindless morons listen to freakin' Jenny McCarthy as if she has a PhD and don't vaccinate their kids -- who develop diseases with ever greater frequency that should long ago have been relegated to the dustbin of history.

    Okay, I'll stop now. This is just an example of the anti-science movement in the U.S. (and other places) that is gaining ground. Really bothers me; science is true whether or not you happen to believe in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by impdaddee View Post
    I'm more worried about that dihydrogen monoxide chemical. Deadly when inhaled as a liquid.

    http://www.dhmo.org/
    You find this stuff in baby food!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragmeister View Post
    I suppose the question is, how much evidence is enough, if one's heart is set on wearing fragrances anyway? I love this hobby but I'm also aware that big companies don't really care if their ingredients are harmful, so long as they sell stuff. Take the food industry, big pharma, cosmetics...
    The opposite is quite true...with politicians taking on a nanny role in protecting us from anything and everything, the food industry, big pharma, cosmetics often have their hands tied as to what they can offer...Just look at the fragrance industry, there have been a number of ingredients disallowed or severely restricted (like oak moss) that are natural, but may cause one sensitive person in Kansas to get a rash, so no one can use it...I am sick of politicians telling me what is good for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timdoeswell View Post
    Oh lord, I just read some of that site.

    "Instead of emphasizing a healthy, wholesome lifestyle as the best prevention against hepatitis B disease, including refraining from illicit drug use and premarital sexual intercourse..."

    I apologise if this becomes controversial, but as soon as a person starts spouting that immunisation is bad, and abstinence from pre-marital sex is the way to go (and engaging in such is unwholesome and unhealthy), that's my cue to stop paying attention.

    EDIT - and the ten reasons to throw out your microwave oven? Terrific!

    Hey - One of the reasons I started using fragrances was to make sex a more likely occurrence! And given the age at which I started (wearing fragrance, that is) it would have had to have been pre-marital.

    The heady mixture of microwaved food, drugs "illicit" or not, pre-marital nookie, AND oakmoss should have killed me by now. I can only speak for myself, but it seems to have been an elixir for long life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akahina View Post
    I live in a city full of vegans. And I have many vegan friends. I don't know a single one that does not insist on organic veggies. And I was making a point about chemicals. I am certainly not confusing "organic" with "vegan". After decades in the field I assure you I know the difference! Point is that everything we use is composed of chemicals and there is an assumption that chemicals are bad by some people that take a kernal of truth and become obsessive about it. A little knowledge can scare the crap out of people. More knowlege gives a better perspective. For me, I am not the least bit worried about using fragrances or eating any food I want to. If it were all going to kill me I would be dead by now and my Mother would not have lived to 94.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barclaydetolly View Post
    YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. This is my absolute biggest pet peeve about the human race! The anti-vaccine craziness sets me off every time it's discussed. I worked on some vaccine cases at a U.S. Federal Court about ten years ago and read all the scientific material submitted. To put it as bluntly as possible: there is NO scientific evidence that there is a link between vaccines and the adverse medical conditions supposedly tied to them. NONE. And mindless morons listen to freakin' Jenny McCarthy as if she has a PhD and don't vaccinate their kids -- who develop diseases with ever greater frequency that should long ago have been relegated to the dustbin of history.

    Okay, I'll stop now. This is just an example of the anti-science movement in the U.S. (and other places) that is gaining ground. Really bothers me; science is true whether or not you happen to believe in it.
    Thanks! It's amazing how people like sheep will follow total idiots spouting pseudo-scientific dribble with no proof, and believe stuff with no scientific evidence whatsoever...throwing your money away on magic crystals to take away headaches is one thing...killing your kids with ignorance is something else entirely.
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    Everyone has an opinion. Where are the multiple studies showing that fragrances are harmful? That should end any debate...at least as far as I'm concerned.

    Human beings have used fragrances for thousands of years now. Is that not a good enough sampling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum-Pie View Post
    Thanks! It's amazing how people like sheep will follow total idiots spouting pseudo-scientific dribble with no proof, and believe stuff with no scientific evidence whatsoever...throwing your money away on magic crystals to take away headaches is one thing...killing your kids with ignorance is something else entirely.
    Instead of rotting in jail, the "Doctor" who falsified all of his data and started all of that nonsense lives here in Austin in a giant house in the hills. Crime pays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Instead of rotting in jail, the "Doctor" who falsified all of his data and started all of that nonsense lives here in Austin in a giant house in the hills. Crime pays.
    (rolling my eyes...) The American Dream...to lie to people and get rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    Fun question. How many of those IFRA bids have a direct financial connection to the aroma chemical business?
    Are we talking conspiracy theories here? We all know that corporations will do anything to make money, it's their reason for existing, so we shouldn't be surprised by anything they do. Vested interests and behind the scenes manuevering. To paraphrase Joseph Heller, just because one is paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...
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