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    Yeah. I shouldn't have been back, but I am. So, from a technical standpoint, what I had done wrong had been physically reset, but still, as long as I'm allowed to be on here, I have to be less self-indulgent and more considerate to others.
    Well, I guess that didn't last very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Additionally, posts may still be reported the old way if required.
    I've noticed that spammers thankfully haven't found our new site yet.
    Remember that while it is perfectly acceptable to criticize the content of a post - criticizing the poster is not.
    Mean spirited, nasty, snide, sarcastic, hateful, and rude individuals don't warrant or deserve other individuals' acknowledgement or respect.

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    Thanks, hednic - that certainly makes life easier!

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    So I still do not see the clear answer to the whole "clean start" for the recent members business. I had my stuff on here with about 35 posts, some wardrobes and reviews, and now its all gone. At the same time, I see the administration saying that recent data being strored some place else and will be brought back eventually. Does that mean I will get back my "user generated content"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyP View Post
    So I still do not see the clear answer to the whole "clean start" for the recent members business. I had my stuff on here with about 35 posts, some wardrobes and reviews, and now its all gone. At the same time, I see the administration saying that recent data being strored some place else and will be brought back eventually. Does that mean I will get back my "user generated content"?
    I'd actually like a general timeline as to when this will all be restored. It's been pretty vague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenNightMyst View Post
    I'd actually like a general timeline as to when this will all be restored. It's been pretty vague.
    I suspect these posts might just go unnoticed...

    I wonder if I go ahead and rebuild my wardrobe, would that get in the way of things when (and if) the recent data files are added? If someone could clarify this I would really appreciate it.

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    They're not going unnoticed, guys. At the moment we (the mods) don't have anything to concrete. Hopefully we'll have some more solid info on Monday. Hang in there and we'll be sure to let you know any updates ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyP View Post
    I suspect these posts might just go unnoticed...

    I wonder if I go ahead and rebuild my wardrobe, would that get in the way of things when (and if) the recent data files are added? If someone could clarify this I would really appreciate it.
    See my thread "updating our wardrobes" for an answer to this.
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    What a super home-coming for Grant and The Team. Personally I did not visit the Huddler hosted site over the summer too often. I missed the daily visits to the wardrobe and directory, which was my main reason coming to Basenotes. I sure that this re-vamp of the original will speed up soon. It's good to be back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    They're not going unnoticed, guys. At the moment we (the mods) don't have anything to concrete. Hopefully we'll have some more solid info on Monday. Hang in there and we'll be sure to let you know any updates ASAP.
    I'm actually delaying some things in case it might FUBAR the input of the past data, so it's much appreciated that you're steadily working on it. (Not that I didn't think you were.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursula View Post
    Update: Meanwhile - in my Profile - a list appears: Member XYZ liked your such and such post.
    Member ABC liked your such and such post.
    Hidden Content objected to your such and such post.

    Am I to guess who "Hidden Content" is? That leads to wild guesses and imaginations and the suspicions may fall on the ones who did not even do the objection.

    There has to be a better way.
    Ursula - I do see your point that hiding the identity will lead to erroneous speculations - and I can tell you that I already see that happening. HOWEVER, it is also true that most discussion sites follow the same practice of showing who likes posts and hiding who doesn't. I recommend that we follow the industry standard practice. Furrypine is right that identifying objecting posts will limit feedback, and we hope to use this feedback to help moderate the site.

    However, by the same token, I want to encourage people not to be overly fearful of down votes.

    Indeed, it is my personal hope that members IGNORE small numbers of downvotes. Why? I'll be blunt. Members who never get down-votes are terribly uninteresting. They tend to be politically correct and a bit "fly-on-the-wall" - the sort of people who rise in management by offending nobody. They actually make great spies. The world needs such people, but I have to tell you - they're about as interesting as not-fresh not-stale white bread with the crust removed and nothing on it.

    I personally consider you to be an "interesting poster" - precisely because you say things that are likely to offend a certain number of people. Please continue to be crusty European sourdough with excellent and distinctive flavor, and I will continue to follow your posts religiously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Ursula - I do see your point that hiding the identity will lead to erroneous speculations - and I can tell you that I already see that happening. HOWEVER, it is also true that most discussion sites follow the same practice of showing who likes posts and hiding who doesn't. I recommend that we follow the industry standard practice. Furrypine is right that identifying objecting posts will limit feedback, and we hope to use this feedback to help moderate the site.

    However, by the same token, I want to encourage people not to be overly fearful of down votes.

    Indeed, it is my personal hope that members IGNORE small numbers of downvotes. Why? I'll be blunt. Members who never get down-votes are terribly uninteresting. They tend to be politically correct and a bit "fly-on-the-wall" - the sort of people who rise in management by offending nobody. They actually make great spies. The world needs such people, but I have to tell you - they're about as interesting as not-fresh not-stale white bread with the crust removed and nothing on it.

    I personally consider you to be an "interesting poster" - precisely because you say things that are likely to offend a certain number of people. Please continue to be crusty European sourdough with excellent and distinctive flavor, and I will continue to follow your posts religiously.
    It's really not worth worrying and/or stressing about what people think about your thoughts and opinions, anyway. Who cares who gives a dissenting thumbs-down ?! If I worried about the scads of people who haven't liked what I have to say, I'd have checked out decades ago. Somewhere pushing 20 years ago, around age 40, (finally, right ?), I decided I didn't care anymore what people thought. I've earned the right to my opinion, like it or not. I've been called a rabble-rowser, an activist and a few choice words not suitable for company. Pfffft...I say !

    Where is my damned soapbox ! Wanna share it with me ?
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    ...However, by the same token, I want to encourage people not to be overly fearful of down votes.
    "If you fear making anyone mad, then you ultimately probe for the lowest common denominator of human achievement."

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    The OBJECT posts do not show the name, but the computer (and the Moderating Team who know how to read the code) know. It will be an easy task to interpret whether some OBJECT votes are done wilfully, or whether they merit proper attention - that is when the objection makes sense with the content of the post.

    Actually, this is an excellent tool for Moderating. HIDDEN CONTENT to the public, but CLEAR CODE to the computer-managing Team.
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    This is assuming the moderators want to take the time to check posts for "Objects", attempt to interpret what another person was thinking,"when" they objected, then either share the name of the dissenter with the original poster to what (?) start issues between members (?) or they themselves "spank" the dissenter for having an opinion they "assume" they have correctly interpreted.

    In any case, I'm all for free speech whether people agree or not, and to have moderators literally monitoring and taking any action against people who dissent/disagree is tantamount to a police state. The US is already taking away liberties and monitoring it's citizens. I would like to think that on a fragrance site, we have would less monitoring.

    But that's just me. Feel free to Object.

    BTW, I see Ipp agrees with you, so there's at least one moderator apparently on board with monitoring, evaluating, interpreting, and then ??
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    This is a quote from Danielle's O.P., which may explain the situation.

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    We feel it is important that you have a say in the direction the community takes. We have retained the report button for pornography and abusive posts. We have also added a “like” button. This should eliminate the need for the “plus 1” and “agree” posts that do not further the conversation. It will also enable us to compile a list of popular threads. Also new is the “objection” button. Where you feel a post is tasteless, not relevant to Basenotes or otherwise not to your taste, you can use the objection button. If enough people object to a post it will be hidden from view. In this way you have the power to direct the tone of the boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
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    Where you feel a post is tasteless, not relevant to Basenotes or otherwise not to your taste, you can use the objection button.

    End quote.
    This is where I would have an issue with you or other "on board" moderators deciding which of these examples a member was "thinking" when they objected, whether or not their objection was warranted and proper, and consequently whether or not it needs "proper attention" from a moderator.

    Perhaps I'm alone in this opinion. The world is changing, and it appears we are all expected to think the same as others do, or face the wrath of whomever is in power. I'm old and as my 35 year old son tells me, I live in a part of the world where I'm cut off from reality. I say thank G-D !
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    We don't initially have to do any interpretation - the system adds up 'dislikes', which may then be reviewed.

    For the record - I will not be adding to post 'dislikes' on this thread or others.

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    The way I understand this ... Moderators don't voice any OBJECTion by hitting the OBJECT button? Only other regular members? Moderators then count the Dislikes and think about the situation?

    Seems fairly democratic to me.

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    Can moderators see who is doing the objecting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    Can moderators see who is doing the objecting?
    I think, yes. Like I stated before. Am not entirely sure, how.

    But it is visible in "computer code" who the objecting member is.
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    Hi all, just wanted to demystify the new objection button.

    The mod team will not be collating data as to who objected to what. Nor will we be deciding why the objection was made. If enough people dislike content it will be hidden. It is purely your vote to cast and is intended for posts you find offensive or tasteless. It gives people a bit of control over what they want to see and will show exactly where the majority of members stand on some of the issues that have given rise to complaint recently.

    I'm very curious to see what constitutes a popular and an objectionable post in the coming months!


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    Edit - Sorry, Danielle - crossed posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursula View Post
    I think, yes. Like I stated before. Am not entirely sure, how.

    But it is visible in "computer code" who the objecting member is.
    Actually, I am fairly certain that the source of an objection cannot be seen by moderators. It is certainly not visible in the page source which is rendered to the browser. I just took a close look. There is no metadata in the page other than what you see - the number of objections. I do not know of any special page view that we have, either. I suspect that objecting parties are only visible to administrators like Dani, Grant, Judith and BN Dude - not the moderators. I know that objecting members certainly aren't visible to me.

    Moderators are allowed to object and like, just like any other member. There appears to be no difference in that functionality. The only difference is that we receive output from the "Report" buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleCooper View Post
    Hi all, just wanted to demystify the new objection button.

    The mod team will not be collating data as to who objected to what. Nor will we be deciding why the objection was made. If enough people dislike content it will be hidden. It is purely your vote to cast and is intended for posts you find offensive or tasteless. It gives people a bit of control over what they want to see and will show exactly where the majority of members stand on some of the issues that have given rise to complaint recently.

    I'm very curious to see what constitutes a popular and an objectionable post in the coming months!
    Thank you ! A voice of reason in a sea of paranoia !

    Why in G-d's name would moderators want to start monitoring posters and their occasional dissenting votes ?! One would think they (mods) have enough to do without feeding the neuroses of paranoid members ! I used to moderate several Yahoo groups, and I can tell you that I didn't have the time nor inclination to "watch" people who were expressing differing views than the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Actually, I am fairly certain that the source of an objection cannot be seen by moderators. It is certainly not visible in the page source which is rendered to the browser. I just took a close look. There is no metadata in the page other than what you see - the number of objections. I do not know of any special page view that we have, either. I suspect that objecting parties are only visible to administrators like Dani, Grant, Judith and BN Dude - not the moderators. I know that objecting members certainly aren't visible to me.

    Moderators are allowed to object and like, just like any other member. There appears to be no difference in that functionality. The only difference is that we receive output from the "Report" buttons.
    Thank you! When reviewing objections, it may be useful to consider the source somehow in order to take into account the petty little feuds that crop up from time to time between some members or button-abusing chronic objectors. But if you can't, you can't. I suppose if it takes several objections to draw the attention of moderators or for the post to get quashed, it doesn't really matter anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenNightMyst View Post
    Thank you ! A voice of reason in a sea of paranoia !

    Why in G-d's name would moderators want to start monitoring posters and their occasional dissenting votes ?! One would think they (mods) have enough to do without feeding the neuroses of paranoid members ! I used to moderate several Yahoo groups, and I can tell you that I didn't have the time nor inclination to "watch" people who were expressing differing views than the masses.
    Well part of the rationale behind the objection button is that it is nothing to do with our opinion - it's yours! We are not passing judgement as to what we feel is acceptable, you are. It would be great if the mood of the boards was governed by the people who use it. The mods are here because they are helpful, knowledgable and prolific posters who support and guide the members and delete porn and spam. They are not really here to ask grown adults to refrain from abusing each other and starting fights... They use the site as members and want to spend time here enjoying their hobby as well as volunteering to keep the site running. I hope the objection button will help achieve that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenNightMyst View Post
    This is where I would have an issue with you or other "on board" moderators deciding which of these examples a member was "thinking" when they objected, whether or not their objection was warranted and proper, and consequently whether or not it needs "proper attention" from a moderator.

    Perhaps I'm alone in this opinion. The world is changing, and it appears we are all expected to think the same as others do, or face the wrath of whomever is in power. I'm old and as my 35 year old son tells me, I live in a part of the world where I'm cut off from reality. I say thank G-D !
    History is filled with this conflict. My own family is peppered with people who made choices about groupthink - some went along, others fought, and still others ran. I've done all three, and I've got plenty of "interesting times" left to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursula View Post
    In addition to just using the OBJECT button, the name of the member who is objecting ought to show. Furthermore, in the next post, a short and polite explanation should be furnished.

    Having an OBJECT button without showing the name, can lead to mischief and/or sabotage.
    But it's pretty low level mischief I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    Thank you! When reviewing objections, it may be useful to consider the source somehow in order to take into account the petty little feuds that crop up from time to time between some members or button-abusing chronic objectors. But if you can't, you can't. I suppose if it takes several objections to draw the attention of moderators or for the post to get quashed, it doesn't really matter anyway.
    I am beginning to see exactly what you describe, even though I cannot see for sure WHO is objecting. It doesn't really matter - I am beginning to see up votes as salt and down votes as pepper. Flavorful posts are what I like. Others may prefer a less spicy diet.

    The whole subject of up and down votes is fraught with uncertainty and interesting deviousness anyway. In the rougher parts of the internet, some really fascinating behaviors occur. Spokespeople for politicians feign grassrootedness, sometimes making the most entertaining mistakes, but otherwise trial-ballooning via seeded discussion metadata. Political trolls get paid by the reply and the up/down vote. "Threadsweeper" trolls move quickly through threads on opposing political sites, down-voting anything which favors the opposition or opposes their side/candidate. Trolls get troll-hunters, and troll-hunters get their own attack trolls, who follow them around, down-voting everything they post, often humorously unaware they've been outed. And all of this is to say nothing of the corporate astroturfers, or the REAL criminals and spies, who pass unnoticed by the masses.

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    Ha ha ha ha ha ... I cannot stop laughing. Soon people will not dare to post anything anymore anywhere ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursula View Post
    Ha ha ha ha ha ... I cannot stop laughing. Soon people will not dare to post anything anymore anywhere ...
    We'll have to send out our robot friends to do battle for us on the internet, while we hide under the covers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleCooper View Post
    Hi all, just wanted to demystify the new objection button.

    The mod team will not be collating data as to who objected to what. Nor will we be deciding why the objection was made. If enough people dislike content it will be hidden. It is purely your vote to cast and is intended for posts you find offensive or tasteless. It gives people a bit of control over what they want to see and will show exactly where the majority of members stand on some of the issues that have given rise to complaint recently.

    I'm very curious to see what constitutes a popular and an objectionable post in the coming months!
    Wouldn't a proper ignore button have done the exact same thing? If you don't like it, don't look at it, or report it. Liking posts is great fun, but the objection button to me is a 'mob rule' type of deal which can easily be abused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delicious Scent View Post
    Wouldn't a proper ignore button have done the exact same thing? If you don't like it, don't look at it, or report it. Liking posts is great fun, but the objection button to me is a 'mob rule' type of deal which can easily be abused.
    Slippery slope. I think we will worry about it if it starts to be abused by the mob in any way. Probably wont be much of a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    Thank you! When reviewing objections, it may be useful to consider the source somehow in order to take into account the petty little feuds that crop up from time to time between some members or button-abusing chronic objectors. But if you can't, you can't. I suppose if it takes several objections to draw the attention of moderators or for the post to get quashed, it doesn't really matter anyway.
    I just HAD to like this and quote it, because somebody "chronic-objected" to it! LOOOOOOOOOOL

    The price of anonymous nicking, is that we can publicly nick the nicker without recrimination or guilt, or even knowing who it was. Because even a down vote actually SAYS something, and it does not escape public scrutiny.

    Sorry - I'm feeling very "open-source" today.

    Happy to say that I've not yet used my objection button other than to prove to my fellow mods that the objector IS, in fact, hidden. Godwin's law, of course, says that never using it is probably not possible. But at that point, it rises to reportage, so maybe my goal is saved on a technicality.

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    Slippery slope. I think we will worry about it if it starts to be abused by the mob in any way. Probably wont be much of a problem.
    Sooner or later, somebody is going to invite a flash mob to bury a post in objections, or just to see how many you have to get to make a post go away. Could be fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    I just HAD to like this and quote it, because somebody "chronic-objected" to it! LOOOOOOOOOOL

    The price of anonymous nicking, is that we can publicly nick the nicker without recrimination or guilt, or even knowing who it was. Because even a down vote actually SAYS something, and it does not escape public scrutiny.

    Sorry - I'm feeling very "open-source" today.

    Happy to say that I've not yet used my objection button other than to prove to my fellow mods that the objector IS, in fact, hidden. Godwin's law, of course, says that never using it is probably not possible. But at that point, it rises to reportage, so maybe my goal is saved on a technicality.

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    Sooner or later, somebody is going to invite a flash mob to bury a post in objections, or just to see how many you have to get to make a post go away. Could be fun!
    Thanks for passing the salt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    Thanks for passing the salt!
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    I can't see an "object to this post" button with the posts from the mods.


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    Admins or mods? I can object to other mods, but not to admins, it seems.


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    That was a fun experiment, Red - if u leave it on my profile.....

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    It is possible to object to mod posts in exactly the same way as everyone else's.

    Admin is the only exception. Thankfully or some of my notices recently would disappear pretty quickly ;-)

    Am enjoying the discussion of the possible benefits and drawbacks immensely. It's really cool to get a proper discussion about features such as this and off-topic on the table. It is very helpful to us for plotting the future course.


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    Everyone object to this post so we can see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Everyone object to this post so we can see what happens.
    First in!

    PS - the "Like" button disappeared, and the Objection button changed to "Undo Objection"
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    Everyone object to this post so we can see what happens.
    I'm the 5th person to object as per your request. I wonder how long it will take to disappear?


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    I really am not a fan of the like/unlike buttons. I get notifications and I think it's a pm, no, it's just someone liked or didn't like my post. I don't care about that stuff! Too Facebook-y or whatever for me.
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    My objection to heperd's post makes the 13th, yet it's still there, openly offending everyone.
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    There may not be enough posters left to create a 'critical mass', even if we all give it the thumbs-down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    Bring back "Off-Topic," please!
    I know this has been discussed. But - just today I would have had a nice contribution to OFF TOPIC space by a personal story how yesterday's Marathon Race in New York City went for my son, who was one of the thousands of runners. Things like that add how we get to know one another.

    I suppose that personal (good) stories can only be published in the Personal Blog space.

    So, the opportunity for congenial interchange will shift. We could also start more Groups. Right now, the Forum is a little like "ghost town". I don't know which particular old threads to unearth to add some life, because maybe some things were discussed during Huddler time, and would be a repetition.

    Oh well, then ... slowly but surely ... hang in there ... time will tell and bring the GOOD OLD BASENOTES back. It could also be that many old members simply have already talked about things one hundred times, and don't want to repeat themselves.
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    Once again having the ability to block incoming PMs is nice. Missed that during the Huddler period.
    Remember that while it is perfectly acceptable to criticize the content of a post - criticizing the poster is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursula View Post
    I know this has been discussed. But - just today I would have had a nice contribution to OFF TOPIC space by a personal story how yesterday's Marathon Race in New York City went for my son, who was one of the thousands of runners. Things like that add how we get to know one another.
    Why don't you share this with us in the sotd thread on the female forum? It goes off topic a lot as we talk about our day, and there are enough regular posters that you absolutely do get to know a few things about each other. Just tell us what you smell like, and we'll welcome you and your news with open arms!
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    Off-topic - please feel free to start groups to discuss off-topic. Also hoping to bring the chat room back when the data and speed are sorted.

    As Evangeline kindly says, people get to know each other through the regular boards too! We have lost that personal feel I think and it will be nice to see that back. However please don't start a completely off-topic thread such as "have you seen the latest movie?". Save that for group chat for now please.


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    +1 what Evangeline said.

    I do, kind of feel like I am being constantly watched to see if I go a bit OT on a thread/on the forum...ho hum, it feels less like community and more like I've been thrown into a strict private school. ..just saying my opinion and not trying to be unpleasant. It's ok to disagree here and there.. even if it's not the opinion of the masses I guess. But I do feel like several of us sort of feel the same way...idk.

    Having an OT thread on the FDF and MDF would be more than welcome...at least to me.

    Just read your post, yes, it's lost that personal feel. Maybe a chat would be nice, idk. But would like to be able to OT here and there and not have to start a group to do so. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalli View Post
    +1 what Evangeline said.

    I do, kind of feel like I am being constantly watched to see if I go a bit OT on a thread/on the forum...ho hum, it feels less like community and more like I've been thrown into a strict private school. ..just saying my opinion and not trying to be unpleasant. It's ok to disagree here and there.. even if it's not the opinion of the masses I guess. But I do feel like several of us sort of feel the same way.

    Having an OT thread on the FDF and MDF would be more than welcome...at least to me.

    Just read your post, yes, it's lost that personal feel.
    Hi Kalli,

    Ironically, I feel it's lost that personal touch BECAUSE of off-topic. People are doing all the getting to know you in there. None of the team is going to delete or ban over a post that "goes a bit OT". It's starting completely off-topic threads and taking a thread completely off-topic to the detriment of the OP that we are asking people to take a break from. I promise you're not being "constantly watched"! (Wish we had those sort of resources ;-)

    Give us a week or two to sort out a few things (speed, data, the new wave of mods we've been holding off until the change over) and I think the idea of an off-topic thread in GFD might work as a compromise until we review the situation after Christmas and New Year. There are also the groups which are the member's own responsibility.


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    Thanks Danielle, the GFD idea sounds like a nice compromise.at least to me anyway
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    I must be missing something. Why do people keep suggesting an OT thread under MFD/FFD/GFD? Isn't the whole concept of Off-Topic that is doesn't pertain to fragrance? Why would you have an Off-topic for women, and another for men? Or one for both - under General Fragrance Discussion?

    Also, having a single OT thread sound like a joke to me. Multiple conversations/ideas all going on at the same time? Wouldn't it go something like this:

    A: Did you see the Monday Night game last night? What happened there?
    B: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"
    C: Yeah - that was a crazy game - can't believe they blew it at the end.
    D: What do you call a guy with a rubber toe? Roberto.
    A: I can't see them making the playoffs now.


    Perhaps I just don't really understand. There is a lot going on that makes me scratch my head lately. I guess that is one of the more minor ones.

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    In theory someone could start a off topic group as it's the responsibility of the member. You could just sign up and then we could have our liberties back the same as before.

    But I think this idea is a bit cheeky and Danielle may see red so I will leave it just as a thought. lol

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    Well an OT thread anywhere is fine with me, I don't care where it's at, LOL.

    Well, to keep the OT conversations 'organized'...there is the quote button. But ya, perhaps people would have a few different things to say. Idk. It is an off topic thread though.
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    Well, the members have already the Blog space. Very intelligent Blogs and perfume related.

    OFF TOPIC is more or less, "Say anything else and regale others with a story that is on your mind" like sharing good stuff.

    Fragrantica has one section, "Individual Members Topics" ... just stuff. Like open a topic, one topic only for members, with the idea of "Step into my parlour and let's chat". When - in case that happens - comments are made that offensive to the host/author of the individual topic, the host has the responsibility and the authority to send the offending member to the door.
    So, monitoring takes place, with an easy hand and the Owner of the Individual Topic is the boss.
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    Who is this new member =Hidden Content=?

    I seem to get 'Likes' from people I know and 'Objections' from someone called 'Hidden Content' but no listing in the member role

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    Who is this new member =Hidden Content=?

    I seem to get 'Likes' from people I know and 'Objections' from someone called 'Hidden Content' but no listing in the member role
    Ha ! You crack me up !

    I've had that same elusive member Object to my post(s) too ! What's up with that ?!

    How about that Monday night game !

    I went to school with a Roberto. I never checked his toes,though ! He'd be a million years old like me now, so he may have rubber toes
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