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    Would there be any way to have Off-Topic not show up in New Posts?

    That way only those wanting to relax and talk about other things could go there, without distracting those who only want to see fragrance related posts.

    BN isn't just where I go to discuss fragrance; I've gotten quite fond of you all and enjoy discussing other things too, as one does with friends. Do I really need to find another forum just to chat?



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    Maybe BASENOTES could start a POLL to find out how many members want an OFF TOPIC area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post
    Would there be any way to have Off-Topic not show up in New Posts?

    That way only those wanting to relax and talk about other things could go there, without distracting those who only want to see fragrance related posts.

    BN isn't just where I go to discuss fragrance; I've gotten quite fond of you all and enjoy discussing other things too, as one does with friends. Do I really need to find another forum just to chat?
    I'm sure something like this would be possible as it's likely to involve a bit of coding. IMHO, the issue with that would be cost and when it will happen. I'm sure the admins have a lot more work on their hands right now and wouldn't think this is the main priority. There's still a lot of data to migrate over from the previous site (is that now considered the old site? ) for example.
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    Personally I have never bothered with the OT section so shan't miss it, but I understand the disquiet of those who do. The resources of the moderating team are obviously limited so it makes sense to concentrate efforts on getting the fragrance-related parts right IMO.

    It seems that a disproportionate amount of time and effort has been consumed by the OT section.

    Despite the expansion in the moderating team, there have still been daily spammy posts on the MFD in recent weeks.
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    Yes, first things first of course.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursula View Post
    Maybe BASENOTES could start a POLL to find out how many members want an OFF TOPIC area?
    This!

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    I will say this finally and then I shall leave for good,I have been a member of Basenotes since 2007,but just recently got back to posting on it.
    Yes, first and foremost it is a fragrance site for people to talk about fragrances,but frankly HOW MUCH can one possibly say on this subject before it just becomes repetitive,maybe the fault is with me for not being as "clued up" as others on this matter,but yes I must agree a LOT of the posting that went on in the "off topic" section was utter TOSH,how this can be rectified I don't know,but for those who's life is just fragrances then all I can say is you really must get out more,and that is genuinely meant.I hope this does not get taken down as I am NOT trying to insult anybody.
    Au revoir everybody.

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    Even if the poll confirmed the wish to bring back off topic (and recent experience leads me to believe that the majority of the thousands of regular members would not be in favour at this time) it is not possible to run that board with current resources and plans.

    I am sorry that this upsetting to some of the members who have voiced their opinion here, but I hope we will see an improvement in the site and the quality of the discourse as a result.

    There is lots of fun, social interaction and interesting discussion to be had without us becoming Facebook with a bit of a nod to perfume - which is how one member described it to me :-)


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    Admin are currently working their socks off trying to produce a better site for us all.

    My private thoughts as a member here include wondering whether our collective energies might be better directed in trying to achieve that together.

    I do see both sides.

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    I really didn't intend for my original question to escalate into such a controversy. I can see both sides but still, I'm very disappointed. I just want to say it was quite enjoyable getting to know a few of you in the former OT threads! Hednic, Tony, Sam, Kalli and the rest of you, I had a great time and I'll miss you!

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    I think the idea that was proposed above to have one thread for OT chat is a very good one. Put one in MFD and FFD and sticky them.

    For those that want to chat and have meaningful social interaction, I think this would meet most of their needs. Yet it wouldn't allow for multiple threads that generate hundreds of relatively meaningless posts every day.

    Kalli, JiveHippo and others - would this be a workable compromise?

    I don't know if I'm representative of the anti-OTs in general, but I would support it.
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    Rubegon, ya, I mean, at least it would be something!!!! I kinda was thinking that too, as a compromise.

    I hate Facebook btw, can't stand it! lol. And don't see it that way at all.

    Beachgirl, if you didn't start this thread, someone else would have for sure. No worries!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalli View Post
    I hate Facebook btw, can't stand it! lol. And don't see it that way at all.
    You're not the only one. I'm on there, but now only use it for fragrance groups and getting the latest news on fragrance-related stuff. I'm "friends" with Andy Tauer, Christopher Chong, and Chris Brosius!

    I almost never post stuff publicly on my wall and rarely check my feed to see what other people are posting.

    You might want to consider making a dummy FB profile with a disposable email address just to join fragrance groups. Just don't put any personal info into it. There are some good FB groups for splits and all kinds of discussion groups too. I know many people that have done that.
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    I don't see BN turning into Facebook with al little bit about perfumes by bringing an off topic thread back.

    This is ridiculous.

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    Here's an idea-- see what you think.

    What if each major board (JSO, MFD, FFD) had one off-topic thread-- only one-- for off topic posts?

    It would give us a place to ask about things that have nothing to do with fragrance-- like, "Does anyone have a good chocolate chip cookie recipe?" (I do, by the way) Or, "This made me laugh today", or "So and So died." Whatever. No games, just chat.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Walton View Post
    I will say this finally and then I shall leave for good,I have been a member of Basenotes since 2007,but just recently got back to posting on it.
    Yes, first and foremost it is a fragrance site for people to talk about fragrances,but frankly HOW MUCH can one possibly say on this subject before it just becomes repetitive,maybe the fault is with me for not being as "clued up" as others on this matter,but yes I must agree a LOT of the posting that went on in the "off topic" section was utter TOSH,how this can be rectified I don't know,but for those who's life is just fragrances then all I can say is you really must get out more,and that is genuinely meant.I hope this does not get taken down as I am NOT trying to insult anybody.
    Au revoir everybody.
    Sam - I don't see your post as insulting, but I certainly don't agree with how you see this.

    I don't know of anyone who spends large amounts of time on BN and that is always posting about fragrance. Consider all of the highest frequency posters on the old huddler site, and they were all apparently hanging out in OT for many hours a day.

    I do have a very busy life outside fragrance - young kids, stressful job, travel. I come to BN when I make some time to pursue this interest to unwind. If what I find is a poorly functioning site whose focus seems to be general chat, it doesn't serve my needs. This is meant to be a fragrance site, so shouldn't the priority be to make it the best one it can be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post
    Here's an idea-- see what you think.

    What if each major board (JSO, MFD, FFD) had one off-topic thread-- only one-- for off topic posts?

    It would give us a place to ask about things that have nothing to do with fragrance-- like, "Does anyone have a good chocolate chip cookie recipe?" (I do, by the way) Or, "This made me laugh today", or "So and So died." Whatever. No games, just chat.
    I suggested the same up in post #71, but someone recommended a similar idea further upthread. I think that's the way to go.

    I see you put the webcam link in your sig. Cool! That's a good way to get it out there.

    Also, being back on the old platform we have Visitor Messages again on our profiles. Those are a nice way to have semi-public OT chat with other members. I'm glad to see that feature come back. I guess we kind of had them on Huddler, but I never saw anyone using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post

    I hope someday Off Topic can come back in a way that doesn't over-tax the mods. Also, I would be in favor of posts in Off Topic not adding to our post counts (to prevent someone new from using O.T. to up their post count rapidly just so they could sell on the BN Marketplace.).
    Personally, I'm not a fan of the OT boards anymore but if people want them, ^^^^ this seems a reasonable way to bring them back.


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    I just started to like the OT and now it's gone. Not nice.

    Fans of OT should start threads in the regular forums and drive the moderators crazy!

    Let's go, Hednic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoschhti View Post
    Fans of OT should start threads in the regular forums and drive the moderators crazy!
    Cheers. Thanks very much.

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    Sorry, Deadidol!

    At least there could be something like an OT-Archive with all the old threads. I didn't post there a lot but I hate it when posts get deleted.

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    I think there are pretty wide opportunities for getting to know other members in "regular" posts in the fragrance subforums, provided there is a discussion going on and not simply a list of items or a single worded sentence! I personally don't care about the removal of Off Topic, even if I appreciated the more "cultural" threads- Your top 5 writers was my favourite, one can tell a lot about somebody from their tastes in literature, and have nice ideas.


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    30 R/Rubegon, I think that's a good idea, one thread for each. Or just one thread, I don't care! Maybe men want that cookie recipe too! LOL. But I think Off Topic for each of us, MDF/FDF sounds good? I think it's a good compromise, whatcha all think? No more of the games or whatever that can I guess up post count and take a lot of space? And not adding to our post count if posting on OT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach Girl View Post
    I really didn't intend for my original question to escalate into such a controversy. I can see both sides but still, I'm very disappointed. I just want to say it was quite enjoyable getting to know a few of you in the former OT threads! Hednic, Tony, Sam, Kalli and the rest of you, I had a great time and I'll miss you!
    We are not closing Basenotes or banning you guys from communicating! No need to miss anyone or feel that you won't be able to get to know each other, just there maybe not so much about what you had in your sandwiches ;-)

    I like the idea of one or two off-topic threads in other boards, but it isn't going to happen right now as we all have lots to focus on in terms of making this the best fragrance site it can be.

    Unfortunately the loss of off-topic is a case of the vocal few making it difficult for us to provide the service for the moderate and pleasant majority. It is a shame, I have said it may not be permanent and I certainly like the idea of a thread or two. However, based on recent history and the grateful feedback I have from members who are pleased with the return to our original purpose there won't be any off-topic provision in 2013.

    EDIT: I just wanted to say Beachgirl, that your question was a perfectly valid one! We want to create an environment where everyone can respectfully speak their mind and ask questions with the expectation of a polite and open discussion in answer.
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    Would it be okay to have social groups to discuss sandwiches or movies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    Would it be okay to have social groups to discuss sandwiches or movies?
    I just started a group called "Every 4 Minutes Look to Your Left and Post what you See." Everyone is welcome to join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    I just started a group called "Every 4 Minutes Look to Your Left and Post what you See." Everyone is welcome to join.


    I'm afraid I'd be posting about my sleeping cat over and over.....and over....



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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    Would it be okay to have social groups to discuss sandwiches or movies?
    LOL - point well taken. We do have groups that discuss things as non-specific as Texas, LGBT, etc.

    I have initiated some discussion among the admins and mods, of the idea of somehow using a group for general OT. There are potential problems with the idea, in that bits are bits, so that unless there are fundamental differences in the situation that would guarantee it would work, we have to presume that it might be problematic in the same ways as Off Topic. But I would like to see the idea considered along with the others, even if not for any immediate action.

    Quote Originally Posted by heperd View Post
    I just started a group called "Every 4 Minutes Look to Your Left and Post what you See." Everyone is welcome to join.
    I sense a direction scandal brewing.

    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post


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    Thanks, Red. It's good to be "home" but it's a home without a rec room.



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    If mods were paid positions, or if forum software didn't allow for user level automatic and simple opting in/out for certain forums to display, including in most recent posts on a landing page, this might be an issue that needed such a drastic measure. As such, it is removing something instead of fixing it. It is somewhat unfathomable that a discussion board made a change because it felt there was too much site traffic and too much discussion going on. I would think most websites make money from clicks and page views, so I would think removing the more popular areas would be bad from a business sense. Guess not.

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