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    Default Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    I hope I am not violating any rules by posting this news about a supplier that I think will be of interest to the DIY community: www.proxisante.com (after some lobbying on my part) will be getting some Atlantic cedar heart: "Fractionation and blending of the most woody, leathery, floral and ambery selected fractions of Cedarwood Atlas essential oil. Odour: Woody, leather, ambery, floral and fruity."

    And possibly some other interesting things including santalol nat: "Various extraction processes (including rectification) have been used to remove the most aldehydic phenolic notes contained in the traditional Australian santalum spicatum essential oil. Odour: Very clean, lactonic product which can be used as such to reconstitute an Indian sandalwood compound." this will depend on price though -- although if there is a lot of interest I imagine we could convince him to carry it even if a bit pricey -- there has been so much interest in "real" sandalwood lately.

    I also got his "eclat de ciste", "labdasur" and patchouli heart a couple of months ago, all of which were truly wonderful. I have no financial interest here of course, just trying to put people together -- good Europe-based suppliers are rare, and I think the fact his website is only in French is limiting too, and of course I want him to do well so he will continue to carry hard to get things I want!

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    Interesting - thank you gecko214.
    Once the missing Huddler data returns I truly do hope to update the Suppliers Sticky!

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    Good find, thanks.
    Manufacturing partners are (in english)-
    http://www.herbo-cailleau.com/?l=EN
    http://www.albertvieille.com/en
    http://www.diffusions-aromatiques.fr/en-GB/Home

    Postage to the UK is the usual extortionate Collisimo at 17 Euro or free if the order is over 100 Euro.
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    Thanks for posting this. I have the Labdasur and the patchouli coeur and am very happy with them, so it's great to hear they're getting more of this kind of thing.

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    Default Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    I had a chat with him today again and he is just establishing a relationship with Robertet, but it's hard for him to buy the minimum quantities per SKU as a small business, not knowing what will sell and in what quantities (and things like cedar will be masses of product), so I hope we can all support him so he can keep carrying more hard to find products.

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    Default Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Proxisante could soon be the best place for small quantities of naturals including natural aromachemicals and isolates at this rate. Even without Robertet they are well placed just reselling from Diffusions-Aromatiques.
    Anyone else in the UK or France up for a Group Buy, Robertet or otherwise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemenator View Post
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    Anyone else in the UK or France up for a Group Buy, Robertet or otherwise?
    I am interested, in what ever you guys buy. My ac-shopping wasn't that satisfactory till now. There must be hotter stuff out there.

    By the way, what does the term coeur mean in combination with patchouli or cedar? I know the translation of course, but what does it say about the material? Merci!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graphite View Post
    I am interested, in what ever you guys buy. My ac-shopping wasn't that satisfactory till now. There must be hotter stuff out there.

    By the way, what does the term coeur mean in combination with patchouli or cedar? I know the translation of course, but what does it say about the material? Merci!
    Re.: patchouli coeur, see Andy Tauer's post: https://www.tauerperfumes.com/blog/c...tchouli-coeur/

    I recently sniffed some of Laboratoire Monique-Rémy's Vetivert Coeur : a sort of topped and tailed vetiver which was quite lovely.

    Chandler Burr spoke a little about this last week, but perhaps one of the professionals could explain the process.

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    Default Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Phillipe at Proxisante confirmed to me yesterday he has ordered 10 KG each of Guaiac heart, Texas Cedar heart, Natural Cedrol, and Altlantic Cedar Heart (all from Robertet). We should expect these to be available near the end of the year (except the Atlantic cedar heart which i think he ordered first and may be available in December.) The fractional sandalwood product is out of stock. He also has some current bud Co2 he says is wonderful, from Albert Vieille, which will be online for purchase in about 3 days.

    Graphite to answer your question, I think the "heart" is a product obtained using a fractional distillation process whereby the more "noble" elements of a natural are concentrated and the terpy or off notes removed. At least that's my understanding, maybe others can offer more info?

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    Thank you, gandhajala for the helpful Tauer link! Will see later what Chandler Burr has to say about it :-)

    Thank you for the explanation, gecko214. So it's similar to what I read about Ylang Ylang, which comes in extra supérieure (first 15 minutes), extra (the following hour of distillation, considered to be the finest quality), I (second hour), II (until the sixth hour), III (until the end of the 20 hour process) and complète which is the rest of it all and complete (not distilled in fractions; what a little accent can do:-).
    So the ordinary patchouli EO is then likely a complete distillation and the coeur would be something like extra (in Ylang terms), I guess.
    I was wearing a drop of Ylang Ylang extra tonight. It is deeper and somehow calmer than the II version I own.

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    Default Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Yes, a Coeur version can be either a fraction that is redistilled to pick out pieces you want, or a fraction made in one distillation and made according to the timetable suggested. Like Vetiver is made in a rough or first distillation all over the world, then sent distilled to France, and they then redistill it to get what they want out of it in pieces.

    Certainly would love to get some of this Heart Vetiver from IFF...!

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    Thank you very much Gecko and Paul for your explanations. Much appreciated.

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    Default Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Proxisante sent me a mail a couple days ago saying he is also ordering cardamon heart, frankincense wood, and vetiver heart (I don't know if it is the IFF one Paul) thought folks would be interested to know, as these last two at least, are highly sought after.

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    Thanks for the note, gecko214. Just placed an order. Do you know their santal albal bio?

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    "Frankincense wood" - is that Robertet's "Bois d'Encens" olibanum/cedarwood co-extraction? That would be nice to try...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graphite View Post
    Thanks for the note, gecko214. Just placed an order. Do you know their santal albal bio?
    Hi Graphite, sorry, no I have not tried it. Let us know how it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    "Frankincense wood" - is that Robertet's "Bois d'Encens" olibanum/cedarwood co-extraction? That would be nice to try...
    As I understand it, yes, its robertet's bois d'encens.

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    I advised him to take some Bois d'Encens cause I know the demand is huge here. This is frankincense co-extracted with cedarwood.
    All comes from Robertet, Vetiver Coeur too.
    Normaly there will be also some Cardamom Coeur, Cedarwood Coeur and other great stuffs. Be attentive.

    I own his santal albal bio and for me it's very good. It smells a bit less than australian sandalwood but it's finer and less heavy than australian.

    Philippe is a really nice person, very professional, always attentive to sell the best quality ever.
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    Default Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Phillipe very kindly send me samples of the cardamom NHS and the Atlas coeur which I received today. The cardamom is true to the description at Robertet's site "Captured volatiles of Elletaria cardamomum seeds from Guatemala on a vegetable fat carrier obtained from fractionation of coprah oil. Odour: Fresh, pungent, spicy, truly remisniscent of green cardamom seeds." Smells like when you crush the fresh pods in your hand -- without the terpy (I guess that's the terms?) top that makes the EO and CO2 hard to use in an accord in any significant amount (for me at least). The atlas cedar coeur smells like atlas cedarwood minus the urine, which is a big plus in my book.

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    Phillipe has received everything and it is now on the website for sale. Be quick, as it seems to be moving fast -- the Texas cedar coeur is already sold out (and I missed it, curses!)

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    Thanks for the info. gecko214 - it does look interesting!

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    Bonjour Gecko
    Just read this thread. First of all congratulations to Proxisante, this is not only a good thing for France but Europe as well, the more the merrier. I shall have to raise my game I suspect. I did have a look but afraid my French is not good. I took the subject at school but for all the wrong reasons – I fancied the teacher, only to find out this person was teaching German!
    I am curious though Gecko with all this chaps Texas Cedar Coeur selling out instantly do you think I have reason to be worried? Adam

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    They don't take paypal

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    hahaha, made me laugh lpp. Think I'll need to up my game though, I have 5 wives, 28 children, 6 grandchildren and 3 gold fish to feed!

    Btw Princess can I ask for a favour - noticed the suggested supplier thread, whilst most grateful to be included I don't have a link like the rest, is that possible maybe.

    Merry Christmas to everyone reading this as well. Adam

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    Watch those goldfish, Adam - they breed like mice

    So sorry - I thought that I'd added you to the sticky - will go & do that now!

    Edit - sorry, see what u meant now - done!
    When the Huddler data returns, the thread will be properly re-posted.
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/258...-12-2013/page2
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    Default Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Adam I don't think you need to worry too much. Europe has what, 350 million people? Yet we don't have nearly as many online essential oil suppliers as the US. I think there's room for a few more even... Although I cannot imagine how he sold 5 Kgs of Texas Couer in 4 days. That's 50 100 gram flacons...

    Phillipe's competitive advantage is his rare specialties, his organic certified products and the fact he has no minimum order. You have the advantage of a massive range of naturals, fantastic ACs, and an English language website (and of course your poetic waxing... )

    But I'm glad your watching; a little competition among suppliers is always healthy, for the customer at least...

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    It's good practice reading the Proxisante website, gecko214 - I'm still reading!

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    I'm still no sure why shipping to Israel from Europe costs 4 times more.. (Except for
    Bristol Botanicals, who manage giving good costs on that).. Is Europe that rich that
    people can afford those astronomical shipping costs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecko214 View Post
    ... Although I cannot imagine how he sold 5 Kgs of Texas Couer in 4 days. That's 50 100 gram flacons...
    There was the option to pre-order. I placed my first order at Proxisante end of November, including the Texas Coeur. A part of this order I already received within my second order I placed last week (so shipping is fast). Now I am awaiting the other delicacies as mentioned Texas Cedar/Guaiac/Vetiver Coeur and Bois d'Encens.
    One highlight for me so far was the cardamome NHS. What a lovely top note! And as a newbee I am certainly blown away by the flower absolues. Especially the tuberose. <3


    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    I'm still no sure why shipping to Israel from Europe costs 4 times more.. (Except for
    Bristol Botanicals, who manage giving good costs on that).. Is Europe that rich that
    people can afford those astronomical shipping costs?
    People in Europe usually don't pay shipping costs to Israel.

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    You mean that shipping within Europe is much cheaper?

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    Gecko - Last time I counted I made it 352.7 million people. As for the USA regardless of how big it is if it had real stand out companies I suspect we would know about them – regarding specialist re-sellers of naturals I think White Lotus is probably as good as it gets in the USA in which case a serious argument could be made that Europe is already far further in front regarding specialist re-sellers of naturals. Just because lots of online suppliers exist does not mean they bring anything new to the table, many peddle obvious wares and tares. As for synthetics I think Americas PA has the rights on that…..for now.

    Phillipe will no doubt be reading this, so again congratulations on your successes, I sincerely mean that. I thank BaseNotes for putting you on my radar as well and I look forward to going head to head with you next year, like you say Gecko, this can only be a good thing for Europe.

    Nizan – based on this thread and fact I have to up my game I’ll re-address shipping myself, another upside for you I suspect regardless of who you buy from in Europe is you won’t pay vat, downside however is I’d imagine shipping will be a fair bit pricier.

    Ipp – Thanks for updating - and I wish they would breed like mice, have a beautiful 3 tier roman pond, way too much space for so few gold fish – they are very large though. Do you have any idea of when the huddler info will be back btw - and am I allowed to update the shared Pell Wall/Hermitage thread regarding new product additions as and when they happen - best to ask. Adam

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