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    Sorry Redneck Perfumisto........since *the guide* annoyed me so very much.......I doubt very much I would follow (even if I had the time) a grumpy old man writing snark on twitter.
    Quite right. I think you should stick to following grumpy young women.

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    "That can't be a good sign. I'm starting to get worried about him now."

    :-) Actually I'll be a visiting professor in the Institute of Theoretical Physics, headed by my brilliant colleague Martin Plenio. Uni-Ulm is fast becoming the European hub of Quantum Biology.

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    Congrats on the new arrival!
    Thank you. Her name is Fiamma, and she turned 11 months old yesterday.

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    "That can't be a good sign. I'm starting to get worried about him now."

    :-) Actually I'll be a visiting professor in the Institute of Theoretical Physics, headed by my brilliant colleague Martin Plenio. Uni-Ulm is fast becoming the European hub of Quantum Biology.


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    They are moving to Ulm. They also are very active in twitter but not a word about the delay. That's a shortcoming of social media: you can hide an elephant just avoiding the word trunk...

    Too bad.
    Hey, nobody asked.

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    Quite right. I think you should stick to following grumpy young women.


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    "That can't be a good sign. I'm starting to get worried about him now."

    :-) Actually I'll be a visiting professor in the Institute of Theoretical Physics, headed by my brilliant colleague Martin Plenio. Uni-Ulm is fast becoming the European hub of Quantum Biology.
    Oh, herzlich willkommen! Let's do lunch some time - I'm currently in Tübingen (in Quantum American Studies ).
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    Wow an update from the horse's (Style.com/Arabia Editor) mouth! And "they" say BN isn't influential?

    Maybe we should start throwing out conspiracy theories for other things we wished to have confirmed/denied?!?!

    Thanks for the update Shashi & Luca!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luca turin View Post
    Quite right. I think you should stick to following grumpy young women.

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    Quite right. I think you should stick to following grumpy young women.
    Or perhaps better still passionate and kind perfume makers who give us exquisite scents that push the boundaries and broaden our minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luca turin View Post
    Quite right. I think you should stick to following grumpy young women.
    Lord, I wish someone would have said this to me years ago. I might have gotten a clue! As it is, I'm just thankful that the universe sometimes chooses to leave survivors with beautiful scars.

    Quote Originally Posted by luca turin View Post
    "That can't be a good sign. I'm starting to get worried about him now."

    :-) Actually I'll be a visiting professor in the Institute of Theoretical Physics, headed by my brilliant colleague Martin Plenio. Uni-Ulm is fast becoming the European hub of Quantum Biology.
    Contratulations! Sounds like the mayor of Planckberg has spotted your bag of flakes and nuggets, and wants your mine in the city limits. Smart move.

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    Thank you. Her name is Fiamma, and she turned 11 months old yesterday.
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    Fiamma is a beautiful name!
    Seconded!

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    Oh, herzlich willkommen! Let's do lunch some time - I'm currently in Tübingen (in Quantum American Studies ).
    Clearly you've been paying attention to population inversion, laser-like focus, and excited states. The question is, to borrow from Feynman, can we safely say that nobody understands quantum American politics?
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    The archive of all Luca Turin's Message in a Bottle columns is here (in English and in Arabic):
    http://thefragrantman.com/2013/11/05...een-published/

    A link to a recent interview with him on Greece, Smell and the Future of Science is (in English and Greek) here:
    http://thefragrantman.com/2013/11/13...re-of-science/
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    Quote Originally Posted by luca turin View Post
    Hey, nobody asked.
    That's true!

    I was engaged in duty (and in being sociable) until yesterday, when I saw the happy development of this thread.

    No doubt I made a soap opera from the gap! The review's abstinence hit me hard.

    Best wishes and happy holidays!

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    Hi, all -

    I'm Shashi, the CEO & Publisher of Style.com/Arabia. First time posting here, but I came across this thread and thought I'd update you that Luca's Message in a Bottle is very much still on. No conspiracy theories linked to any of his recent reviews — in fact, Luca's sharp wit and perspective and opinions on fragrances (whether you agree or disagree with them) are why we hired him.

    Expect the next reviews to come out early in the new year.

    Happy holidays.
    Thank you for the note!

    I agree that Luca Turin's comments are a bit barbed at times. He is a critic. Film critics, wine critics and restaurant critics do the same thing.

    He does not write critiques for the masses in the same way wine critics don't write for the average cheap wine drinker.

    I certainly don't agree with everything Turin says, but I enjoy reading just to get his take. I don't slavishly agree with his comments. For instance, I adore Boucheron's Trouble, which was lambasted in The Guide.


    Thanks to Shashi and Luca for checking in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shashimenon View Post
    Hi, all -

    I'm Shashi, the CEO & Publisher of Style.com/Arabia. First time posting here, but I came across this thread and thought I'd update you that Luca's Message in a Bottle is very much still on. No conspiracy theories linked to any of his recent reviews — in fact, Luca's sharp wit and perspective and opinions on fragrances (whether you agree or disagree with them) are why we hired him.

    Expect the next reviews to come out early in the new year.

    Happy holidays.
    Great and thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    I agree that Luca Turin's comments are a bit barbed at times. He is a critic. Film critics, wine critics and restaurant critics do the same thing.

    He does not write critiques for the masses in the same way wine critics don't write for the average cheap wine drinker.
    A bit barbed? He often chooses to lob Molotov cocktails instead of giving index finger wags. He can be entertaining at times, but he also comes off like he's just digging into it mostly for the sake of having fun. I'd find him more entertaining if he was toned down to a more carefully crafted dry wit, akin to a Dr. Frasier Crane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rüssel View Post
    Nothing necessarily wrong with being outspoken, snarky and crushing people's most beloved perfumes under one's heel whilst insulting wearers a little. Giving Tommy Girl, Beyond Paradise and Nautica Voyage, 5, 4 stars though, perhaps making harmless readers waste money and time, is just evil.
    EDIT: I don't know about "evil" but his opinions are certainly his own. A great thing about fragrance appreciation is that opinions will vary considerably from person to person. I disagree with many of Mr. Turin's opinions about quality and relevance of fragrance, but I treasure the fact that he offers a definite point of view that he is willing to express directly and without much reservation. His reviews are after all only his opinions. His writing is witty and very fun to read. His knowledge of the chemistry is an added plus and I wish he would express these views more often. It's great that he appears here on BNotes from time to time.
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    I'm going to say this in the most simple terms. Anyone who disagrees or goes against Luca is 95% WRONG. There really is not much more to it than that. SereneGreen, Rüssel, and Sea Roses please, enlighten us with a couple of your reviews and let us remark upon what you come up with.
    And to you Luca, every Monday and Tuesday since early November I check StyleArabia.com with the hopes of seeing three more gems. Then I go to your Twitter account. Alas, I have to write that what they say about absence is entirely true! I know you are busy with much more important things, but please, come back soon.....
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    Disagreement is fine, civilised disagreement is always nicer 'though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indagnacious View Post
    I'm going to say this in the most simple terms. Anyone who disagree or goes against Luca is 95% WRONG. There really is not much more to it than that. SereneGreen, Rüssel, and Sea Roses please, enlighten us with a couple of your reviews and let us remark upon what you come up with. Really, until then, pipe the F*#K down......
    Unfortunately so many people agree with this sentiment.

    Human beings are social animals, very tribally aware by nature and we instinctively search for a leader, a hero, a pack leader, a "rainmaker". Somebody who can decipher these things for us. I love reading informed opinions. Mr. Turin's happen to be uniquely informed and I like to see them here. Luca Turin is considered a shaman of sorts, an opinion maker, a flawless thinker to hand over your mantel to - everyone should listen to him closely. I like what he writes and admire his wit. But, because I learned to think for myself now and then, especially when it comes to matters of personal choice, I can say that I am happy to disagree with the opinion of Mr. Turin on about 20% of what he says. I rarely disagree with the content of his experience, but I like to sort these things out for myself if I can. I don't think he is wrong, nor do I think he is right. He obviously couldn't care at all about what I might think, and why should he. I cherish his right to his educated views and am thrilled to read them when I can. I enjoy my right to think for myself in these matters of opinion, or taste - I highly recommend it. It all begins with respectful acceptance of what is already out there and then ask yourself a question. Then another question. Answers will come. Viola, thinking with the self begins. It is a rewarding experience.
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    I'm only about 76.4% wrong.
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    Meh, I think civilized is a negotiable term, thus the true allure and charm of Luca. He walks the line of insult and praise so very well! Let us summarize; A few became offended at the offensive. I mean imagine that. A valued member was asking about LT's whereabouts, a completely useful and highly relevant topic. A couple of others, mostly off-topic, decided to quibble in....which of course is all well and good and one of the highlights of a site such as Basenotes. I think "repulsive" was the term (SereneGreen) and "grumpy old man snark" (Sea Roses). Yes, I think offending is the point of some of Luca's reviews. Not much humor in these members I see. It's ok, but let us not miss an opportunity to criticize and get offended. Funny. I find that in and of itself worthy of a comment, that's all. Maybe "pipe the F down" was a little brazen on my part, I admit, but I swear it was bathed in loving undertones! What's that about casting the first stone SereneGreen? And my dear Ipp, yes, you English are so prim and proper. I love you guys, seriously I do! Sometimes it's hard to believe you produced such brilliant and non-civilised acts such as the Sex Pistols, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand, etc, etc,... Oh the humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzlepuff View Post
    Unfortunately so many people agree with this sentiment.

    Human beings are social animals, very tribally aware by nature and we instinctively search for a leader, a hero, a pack leader, a "rainmaker". Somebody who can decipher these things for us. I love reading informed opinions. Mr. Turin's happen to be uniquely informed and I like to see them here. Luca Turin is considered a shaman of sorts, an opinion maker, a flawless thinker to hand over your mantel to - everyone should listen to him closely. I like what he writes and admire his wit. But, because I learned to think for myself now and then, especially when it comes to matters of personal choice, I can say that I am happy to disagree with the opinion of Mr. Turin on about 20% of what he says. I rarely disagree with the content of his experience, but I like to sort these things out for myself if I can. I don't think he is wrong, nor do I think he is right. He obviously couldn't care at all about what I might think, and why should he. I cherish his right to his educated views and am thrilled to read them when I can. I enjoy my right to think for myself in these matters of opinion, or taste - I highly recommend it. It all begins with respectful acceptance of what is already out there and then ask yourself a question. Then another question. Answers will come. Viola, thinking with the self begins. It is a rewarding experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indagnacious View Post
    I'm going to say this in the most simple terms. Anyone who disagrees or goes against Luca is 95% WRONG. There really is not much more to it than that. SereneGreen, Rüssel, and Sea Roses please, enlighten us with a couple of your reviews and let us remark upon what you come up with. Really, until then, pipe the F*#K down.
    And to you Luca, every Monday and Tuesday since early November I check StyleArabia.com with the hopes of seeing three more gems. Then I go to your Twitter account. Alas, I have to write that what they say about absence is entirely true! I know you are busy with much more important things, but please, come back soon.....
    To review a reviewer one isn't required to write reviews. Where are Turin's perfumes?

    I can tell you that Nautica Voyage, Tommy Girl and Beyond Paradise are awful. You can of course choose to wear them anyway as your favourite reviewer likes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indagnacious View Post
    And my dear Ipp, yes, you English are so prim and proper. I love you guys, seriously I do! Sometimes it's hard to believe you produced such brilliant and non-civilised acts such as the Sex Pistols, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand, etc, etc,... Oh the humanity.

    When I go to see Russell Brand on stage, the kind of language expected and experienced is different to that which we normally expect to see in a community discussion forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rüssel View Post
    To review a reviewer one isn't required to write reviews. Where are Turin's perfumes?

    I can tell you that Nautica Voyage, Tommy Girl and Beyond Paradise are awful. You can of course choose to wear them anyway as your favourite reviewer likes them.
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    "To review a reviewer one isn't required to write reviews. Where are Turin's perfumes?"

    It is true, anyone can write about perfumes, but anyone can attempt to work on a car as well. That doesn't mean they are a mechanic. You should really do your research. Turin is a biophysicist, a scientist who knows more about the sense of smell than you, myself or 99% of the people on Basenotes combined. He's worked at MIT, he was in charge of a bespoke perfumery company to which he recoiled (this is in Perfumes The Guide by the way), and has published so many works on the sense of smell for various Universities it is silly to even think of questioning his background and understanding. Because of his remarkable ability to describe perfumes and put them into words so succinctly is the very reason sites like this have gained the popularity they have. He's a pioneer. He wrote the worlds first perfume guide. Who wrote about perfumes in this way before him? No one. What other great reviewers are there? Chandler Burr, Katie Puckrik, Persolaise? Come on, they have all praised him. I would love to see anyone other than maybe an actual accomplished perfumer sit down and dissect a perfume, hone in on it, and describe it the way in which he does. Watch a TED presentation for God's sakes. It shouldn't take you more than five minutes to realize who is an authority in this realm. There are people who recognize genius and there are people who don't, ahem. If anyone is qualified to comment on this subject, perfumer or not, I assure you it is him.
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    "When I go to see Russell Brand on stage, the kind of language expected and experienced is different to that which we normally expect to see in a community discussion forum."

    Yes, I admit I got carried away with that one and wholeheartedly have no problem editing that out! However, pushing the envelope does seem to make things a little less mundane....a little more exciting. And for that reason, I applaud everyone whether they agree or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indagnacious View Post
    I'm going to say this in the most simple terms. Anyone who disagrees or goes against Luca is 95% WRONG. There really is not much more to it than that.

    Well, your serious man crush aside, while he may know more about the chemistry and history of fragrances, and have more "behind the scenes" knowledge than I do (which is why I enjoy reading his views), he doesn't have better taste than I do.

    Fragrance is a very personal thing - I don't wear something because of any of the background or technical brilliance involved, or because of anyone promoting or endorsing something. I wear something if I think it smells great. And I can say 100% of the time, that I know what I think smells nice - and Luca Turin (1) doesn't care what I think smells nice and (2) wouldn't be 100% or even 95% correct in guessing if I will like something.

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