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    Default Re: Why did Luca Turin dissapear from style?

    Since when does admiring someones expertise, ability, and brilliance suddenly mean you can't or don't think for yourself? Funny, but I never knew one necessitated the other. I guess when all else fails it's time to make things up?
    To think one is immune from influence is not realistic. There is nothing but information circulating all around you. Without others preferences and influence, you would have no frame of reference. Ninety-five percent of what Luca writes is spot-on. If you agree or disagree it's irrelevant to me. I know a genius when I see one.

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    Default Re: Why did Luca Turin dissapear from style?

    I always enjoy reading what he has to say and share, and respect his viewpoint even if his ideas or opinions are at odds with mine.

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    Expecting that others will agree with my own bag of likes and dislikes seems a bit egotistical.
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  4. #64

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    We should start a game where we anticipate what rating a fragrance will receive by him.

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    Aventus - 2 stars

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    Good idea HORNS. I've been thinking about this for a while. Here are a few for now:
    Aventus - I think he might actually give this a 3, maybe even a 4 * despite his obvious & legitimate disdain for Creed.
    Portrait of a Lady - definite 4*, possibly a 5
    Geranium Pour Monsieur - definite 3*, most likely a 4
    Dries par Malle - 4*
    Santal 33 - 4*
    Puredistance M - 4*
    Interlude Man - 4*, maybe a 5
    Dior Vetiver - 4*
    Heeley Coccobello - 4*
    Pure Malt, Pure Leather, Pure Havane - all 4*'s
    CdG Black - 4*
    Derby Reissue - 4*
    Volutes - 4*
    HdP 1899 - 4*
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    Has he given any vetiver besides Sycomore a 5 star?
    I think he will give Portrait of a Lady 5 and keep Derby at 5 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indagnacious View Post
    Since when does admiring someones expertise, ability, and brilliance suddenly mean you can't or don't think for yourself? Funny, but I never knew one necessitated the other. I guess when all else fails it's time to make things up?
    To think one is immune from influence is not realistic. There is nothing but information circulating all around you. Without others preferences and influence, you would have no frame of reference. Ninety-five percent of what Luca writes is spot-on. If you agree or disagree it's irrelevant to me. I know a genius when I see one.
    Just so you realize, Luca is certainly a qualified and certified scientist but in the end what he puts down for the public is his sole opinion.

    An opinion and not a fact.

    Everyone's opinion is valid.

    You're defending his opinion not a fact. Hence your fawning and doting.

    Nothing wrong with you though. A lot of people need heroes & guidance.
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    Uhh, most of what he says is fact, i.e., what is in the actual fragrance, be it indole, civet, Iso Super E, etc... It's not one's opinion that iris is iris, it IS in fact iris (or a combination of elements put together to purposely create the affect of iris). Regardless of the fact that at the quantum level it is actually all debatable and acting in a way which is dependent upon the observer, we have to obviously agree to call it such and such for clarity and sanity's sake. Nearly all his work outside of his reviews is based on science which IS based on fact. Please, check yourself hedonist. The actual rating? Certainly there is an element of opinion based mostly on individual preferences, something he clearly admits in the opening of The Guide. The difference with LT is that he is not just some hack reading off the "list of notes" the marketer decided to try to wet your panties with. He actually discerns what is in the fragrance and why it smells the way it does in a highly succinct way, a feat elusive to 95% of the reviewers on here and everywhere else, myself included. Just as people have the freedom to disagree that Shakespeare wasn't a great writer or Jordan wasn't a great basketball player, the general consensus is pretty obvious. What did I say? I don't care whether you agree or disagree, but I know something great when I see it. Luca does not need defending. I'm sure there are many other areas in which he is quite the buffoon. Not this one. I challenge anyone to write an original review on a new fragrance with the skill in which he does. Then write a few thousand and see what amount of fragrance garbage is out there relative to the obvious sublime. Proceed to write a whole book based on that gamut and see if it sells. Fawning and doting? Needing guidance? The truly egotistical and short-sighted are the ones who somehow believe they are above such things. I have no problem admitting I need guidance and absolutely none in fawning over something truly good. When I see obvious skill, intelligence, creativity and humor, I know it. It's clear when I can learn something from an individual who is smarter and more adept in a certain area. Instead of debating me, my thoughts, or the value of LT's opinions/reviews, I please ask that you or the others who want to disagree with my adulation spend your time more usefully. Write a good range of your own original reviews on scents that Luca has yet to cover and let us compare. Turin may or may not be a great perfumer, but he is a helluva writer and an excellent reviewer, and until anyone comes to close to his work, I will stand by my statement.
    Last edited by Indagnacious; 9th January 2014 at 01:06 PM.

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    tl;dr

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    I guess next monday it's time for some more reviews. It's the last monday in January ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerScent View Post
    I guess next monday it's time for some more reviews. It's the last monday in January ...
    Good point. It's been a long while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HORNS View Post
    We should start a game where we anticipate what rating a fragrance will receive by him.
    Aventus: first 5 stars for the house

    Royal Oud: 4 stars

    Bel Ami Vetiver: 5 stars

    Portrait of a Lady: 4

    Derby: 4

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    I'm surprised you guys think he's going to knock a star off of Derby.

    I think, even though I love this fragrance, he's going to give 34 Boulevard St. Germain 3 stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerScent View Post
    I guess next monday it's time for some more reviews. It's the last monday in January ...
    Seems I guessed wrong ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    When I go to see Russell Brand on stage, the kind of language expected and experienced is different to that which we normally expect to see in a community discussion forum.
    I suspect that the kind of language expected and experienced with Russell Brand are different from each other. Despite outward appearances, he's actually unbelievably eloquent, as this article he wrote for The Guardian demonstrates: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...garet-thatcher.

    And anyone who thinks the English are prim and proper needs to look past Mary Poppins. Young Mr. Indagnacious might be shocked by Benny Hill or the Carry On films. It's always good to challenge stereotypes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerScent View Post
    Seems I guessed wrong ...
    Bummer :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by shashimenon View Post
    Hi, all -

    I'm Shashi, the CEO & Publisher of Style.com/Arabia. First time posting here, but I came across this thread and thought I'd update you that Luca's Message in a Bottle is very much still on. No conspiracy theories linked to any of his recent reviews — in fact, Luca's sharp wit and perspective and opinions on fragrances (whether you agree or disagree with them) are why we hired him.

    Expect the next reviews to come out early in the new year .

    Happy holidays.
    What do you mean by "early"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerScent View Post
    What do you mean by "early"?
    Anytime before mid-2014.

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    Well, he has a new gig in Germany so I'm sure he's pretty darn busy.

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    I finally picked up a hardback copy of "The Perfume Guide". Very entertaining. I like a number of his reviews for their insight, but others surprise me to no end. For example, his flippant take on Chanel Pour Monsieur Concentree. But a lot of his single and two star reviews are quite entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indagnacious View Post
    Since when does admiring someones expertise, ability, and brilliance suddenly mean you can't or don't think for yourself? ... I know a genius when I see one.
    Not calling you a sheep for agreeing with him, but I find his writing problematic. His reviews vary from colorful to mean-spirited and rarely describe the fragrance, concisely or at all. He doesn't inform as much as he tries to entertain.

    He goes for snappy remarks, provocation, and some crass over substance.

    I can't help but feel we've elected the "village drunk" as our fragrant figurehead.

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    ^ He insults fragrances that don't appeal to him with snarky derision, which can be fun to read but certainly don't help us understand the nuances of the faults. Some reviews of fragrances that he enjoys he'll go into great detail about what makes them so appealing. But it's rather shameful how biased he comes across, despite the hilarity of his colorful remarks.
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    Next monday will be March. As Kahneman put it, planning is just best case scenario displaying.

    No need for updating.
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    Default Re: Why did Luca Turin dissapear from style?

    Recently, when someone asked Luca in his Twitter account: I cannot find recent perfume reviews by you in Style Arabia... what happened?
    Luca answered: Reviews will restart soon thank you for asking!
    And Tania recently wrote : Reposting: we are working on a new edition. If you represent a perfume released since 2009, please get in touch at [email protected]

    Good news!!

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    Default Re: Why did Luca Turin dissapear from style?

    But there are a lot of perfumes released before 2009 that were not included in The Guide ...

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    Default Re: Why did Luca Turin dissapear from style?

    Soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papi Le Bon View Post
    Soon...
    Hi, all - the next reviews will be coming out in April.


    -Shashi

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    Quote Originally Posted by shashimenon View Post
    Hi, all - the next reviews will be coming out in April.


    -Shashi
    Ahhh, just a week away. Finally! Thanks Shashi. Do you work for StyleArabia?
    Edit. Never mind, I see your above post.
    Last edited by Indagnacious; 26th March 2014 at 06:54 PM.

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