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    Default Re: Why did Luca Turin dissapear from style?

    I'm not holding my breath.

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    Hi, all - the next reviews will be coming out in April.


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    Early April or late April??

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    Just looking forward to the new book. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SereneGreen View Post
    Not calling you a sheep for agreeing with him, but I find his writing problematic. His reviews vary from colorful to mean-spirited and rarely describe the fragrance, concisely or at all. He doesn't inform as much as he tries to entertain.

    He goes for snappy remarks, provocation, and some crass over substance.

    I can't help but feel we've elected the "village drunk" as our fragrant figurehead.
    I think what is going on here is that there is absolutely no use to go into detail on some questionable fragrances when you are reviewing so many. It's a numbers game. He's writing a book, not an encyclopedia (although I would love a Britannica full of detailed reviews). I saw in his own words that it is a pretty painful task to go through piles and piles of releases day in and day out where so much of it winds up being nothing but bunk. That would probably make me want to write some terse reviews without a lot of love as well.... just out of sheer frustration. Not only that, his main gig is on the scientific side of things. Maybe an alternative would be to sift through the "garbage" and just write lengthy reviews on the good? Then you would have so many asking "what about this or what about that?" I personally love the way his previous book is set up. I want the good, the bad, and the ugly all in one nice thick book. I learn just as much from the bad as I do the good, and I get a pretty good laugh in the process. It's refreshing to see someone be honest, even if it isn't always what one wants to hear. I admire this most about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HORNS View Post
    Aventus - 2 stars
    Yep.

    Doubt there's gonna be many new 5-star fragrances. There was Fate Woman a while ago, and I think possibly Penhaligon's Sartorial could get the nod. Maybe Fille en Aiguilles, or Absolue Pour le Soir? Portrait of a Lady is a possibility too.

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    One thing I found rather glaring with Luca Turin's Perfume Guide was the general lack of identifying vintages. So for example, when he gives 5 stars to YSL Kouros, he makes no mention of which vintage, anywhere from 1981 to current. The recent reformulation is mostly disappointing for those who appreciate the vintage (based on many reviews and comments I have read), yet Luca makes no effort to address this.

    I too find him entertaining but not very useful in terms of learning about fragrances below the surface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cytherian View Post
    One thing I found rather glaring with Luca Turin's Perfume Guide was the general lack of identifying vintages. So for example, when he gives 5 stars to YSL Kouros, he makes no mention of which vintage, anywhere from 1981 to current. The recent reformulation is mostly disappointing for those who appreciate the vintage (based on many reviews and comments I have read), yet Luca makes no effort to address this.

    I too find him entertaining but not very useful in terms of learning about fragrances below the surface.
    I'm pretty sure there was something in the introduction about their reviewing the current version of any perfume in the strongest concentration available. Current at that time would have been whatever year the publication date was (sorry I don't have mine handy). Plus, they definitely do mention reformulations - read the Tabac Blond review, for example.

    Plus, there was an update (The Little Book of Perfume or something like that) where they revisit 100 perfumes mentioned in The Guide, and from what I remember reading a few were downgraded in their ratings because of reformulation.
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    Yeah, he did criticise a few in the Little Book of Perfumes, though he praised the Dior Homme reformulation**. He also ranked the Yohji Homme re-issue 4 stars rather than 5.

    One notable review in The Guide is Fahrenheit, which he awards two stars despite saying that the fragrance used to be great. Makes you wonder what the grade would be if he was marking on the basis of the original.

    **EDIT: Correction - Tania Sanchez praised the new DH, not LT.

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    "This self-congratulating confection is a bit like a party held in 1358 to celebrate 10 years of the Black Death: few people, forced smiles, no music."

    So many contemporary scents would be at this same party!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HORNS View Post
    Ahh, thank you horns, almost gave up/forgot. Yes only two reviews instead of three, but oh what reviews they were. One humorously deriding a probably dreadful scent and another giving credit where credit is due. Love it!

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    As anyone who writes such a large volume of reviews might be considered arrogant or otherwise a self-proclaimed expert, and as much as this would tend to attract significant objection and even animosity, Mr. Turin(and Ms. Sanchez) have done what few have while maintaining interest and discussion with humor and wit. Mr. Turin has visited the site many times over the years, despite being victim to mostly undeserved criticism. Yes, his high rating of Estee Lauder Beyond Paradise and others and low ratings of some caused considerable questions as to his expertise, but the general consensus here has been that their combined evaluations were mostly close to Basenotes' members opinions. I would say there are very few members who have been fortunate to have tried the thousands of fragrances he and Ms. Sanchez have tried without having an opinion of a few that would cause significant disagreement as well. Perhaps Mr. Turin has grown somewhat tired of the level of nastiness above the genuinely polite criticisms.

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    Always great to see some new reviews from LT
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    Quote Originally Posted by SereneGreen View Post
    Perhaps Luca realized how toxic his work was to the fragrance community and left.
    I'm pretty sure that's not the reason why Luca doesn't frequent the Basenotes forums

    With that said, let's keep in mind a couple of things:

    a) Luca's a member of the site. Even though he's more of a public figure, that doesn't give us the right to claim that his (or his wife's) work is toxic. It doesn't grant him immunity either, but we wouldn't say something this snide about another member's reviews, or even another member of the community who has a greater involvement with the industry. There are bloggers here who arguably have as high if not higher readership than Luca and Tania—the same level of decency extends to them, whether or not we agree / disagree.

    b) Luca and Tania are simply writing and publishing reviews. Granted, they've got a sizable readership largely due to Luca's involvement and training, but the real draw of their work is not so much their opinions, but more that they're fantastic, sharp writers. The truth is that their influence is not nearly as large as you think. Consider how aggressively scents like the Givenchy are marketed—one man and one woman's voice won't even cause a dent against the insane artillery of marketing that's required to get the public to willfully accept and buy crap.

    I can't imagine any of us would agree with everything these two have to say, but it's the writing that's the real draw for many of us.
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    Isn't the above vitriol exactly why you were banned the first time - under moniker NoirDrakkar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedonist222 View Post
    Isn't the above vitriol exactly why were banned the first time - under moniker NoirDrakkar.
    Rest assured - further posts of that nature will not be tolerated. And it is still up for debate whether this one will be.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    "This self-congratulating confection is a bit like a party held in 1358 to celebrate 10 years of the Black Death: few people, forced smiles, no music."

    So many contemporary scents would be at this same party!
    Sounds like a few office parties I've been to. The 68 sounds great, though.

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    Can someone please just open the trapdoor?
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    I just hope Luca and Tania have a pile of reviews to put into the new book. This new era of perfumery should provide even more stimulation to the doors of perception that were already clear in 2008.

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    Thanks for that.
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    Personally, I love the book and the review style. Do I take it as gospel? No, I use my nose......but it's great reading and has gotten me to try many fragrances I would not have without reading it. Kudos to Turin for not taking the easy way out and giving everything good reviews....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
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    What did I miss? I go to bed for the evening and all the fireworks happen.
    I'm guessing SereneGreen was spouting off the usual disdain for LT?

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    Most people are like sheep and are just jealous of Turin's success or anyone's success.

    As sheep, they are also lazy and can't be arsed to do the research and hard work involved in getting a book published.

    Ok -- I don't agree with all the reviews (so what) -- but the writing is wonderful and hilarious on occasions. I'll be first in line for a new edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    Thanks for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Indagnacious View Post
    What did I miss? I go to bed for the evening and all the fireworks happen.
    I'm guessing SereneGreen was spouting off the usual disdain for LT?
    You're welcome mr.r.

    @ Indagnacious - we just had to clean up the thread a little as the poster is unable to edit his comment right now.

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    Gotcha. Thanks Ipp

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    You're welcome, Indagnacious

    Back to the reviews - they often make me chuckle!
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    The CK IN2U reviews are worth the price of admission alone

    It's just damn clever and insightful writing....

    I can completely understand their viewpoint, especially Turin. I have only rarely had to review music (during the four years I worked at the major labels instead of being a performer) and my reviews were pretty harsh. Where Turin can smell all of these fine details and they bring up an entire history of the field of perfumery for him (and to me either "smell good" or "smell bad") - the same happens to me with music. The average listener says "that doesn't sound all that good" -- To me, it might be "well, we have heard THAT chord progression since Bach, and it was wore out in the late 1800s. And why did they sample John Bonham's snare drum and THEN stick a gated reverb on it? Are you kidding me? This is the most plagiaristic, unoriginal, banal tripe I have ever HEARD! Why doesn't this band get a clue, a decent producer, and some chord changes that aren't from 1749?" lol.....
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    Default Re: Why did Luca Turin dissapear from style?

    That line about the party to celebrate 10 years of the Black Death is Turin at his best. He is the master of the epigram. Not to slight Tania Sanchez, who is also great. Of course no reader will always agree with them. They don't always agree with each other. I bet Turin doesn't even always agree with himself.

    I enjoyed the link to the new reviews. Thank you for posting that. I, too, look forward to the new book.

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    I guess I may be the only one who is not convinced by the testing on paper strips.

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