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    Default Re: What puts you off about a house?

    Normally I wouldn't form a negative opinion, and I'm not saying I wouldn't try it if the opportunity arises, I'm just not going out of my way. I haven't heard anyone raving over it, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    Normally I wouldn't form a negative opinion, and I'm not saying I wouldn't try it if the opportunity arises, I'm just not going out of my way. I haven't heard anyone raving over it, either.
    Totally understand that. There are a few right now that I'm interested in, but won't seek out.

    You haven't heard anyone raving over Slumberhouse though? He won the Basenotes readers poll thing last year and has one of the biggest threads on the site. There are at least a couple of ravers here

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    Guess I haven't sought out those threads. I've not been too interested in many new things lately. The samples are expensive. They promise something and rarely deliver. I have been picking and choosing more carefully as it's getting expensive.

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    I'm raving in a fairly quiet fashion - wearing Mare right now....very nice indeed & unusual quality.

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    I haven't seen a lot of Tom Ford ads, I didn't click on links posted previously, I'll take your word for it. Comparing ads with Tom Ford, however 'bad' they may be, doesn't tame it down for me really. Don't mean to sound cranky or crabby, deadidol,. That's jmo.
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    Because an email was sent to Josh by somebody in this thread who then blocked the account they used to send the message so he couldn't respond, he's asked me if I'd mind posting an official response here that explains his stance on the art in question:

    Dear XXXX

    I'm actually quite proud of the art/photography that exists on the site. My philosophy is one of embracing hedonism — sex, drugs, all sorts of things that society tells us is taboo and should be kept behind closed doors. Personally, I don't find visual depictions of sexual acts to be shocking or tacky, as you put it. I understand some people do, and that's simply a difference of opinion that we have — and that's ok. Life would be quite dull if nothing ever offended us and we were always on the same page. I think great art often tends to be divisive and I acknowledge that Slumberhouse isn't for everyone.

    I appreciate you writing & sharing your honest feelings on my site. Take care.

    Best to you,
    -Josh
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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    ...........I especially agree about 'natural' ingredients that claim to somehow be beneficial. What baloney. It's all chemical and we know it. Stop clowning around..........
    And there's no guarantee that naturals will be healthier for you. Many natural compounds are toxic.

    I believe Slumberhouse claims to be mostly natural. No matter how good the ingredients it doesn't guarantee a great perfume. As someone wrote "....Imagine chucking a fresh Maine lobster, a wheel of top-notch Camembert, and a pound of artisanal Venezuelan chocolate in a kettle and simmering it in Chartreuse until Wednesday. Yummy? It doesn't work for perfume either...."

    Some of the so-called all natural perfumes smell pretty good, but damn near 100% of them end up having the bone structure of a sea cucumber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    I believe Slumberhouse claims to be mostly natural.
    Actually no, he's very upfront about his use of synthetics. In fact, some of his more popular scents were largely synth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Actually no, he's very upfront about his use of synthetics. In fact, some of his more popular scents were largely synth.
    Good to know. :-)

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    Good to know. :-)
    But you're dead-on about the weird, mis-matched ingredients though

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    I hear natural perfumes have longevity issues..is that pretty much true? I don't think I have smelled a 'natural' perfume actually. I may have but don't remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    But you're dead-on about the weird, mis-matched ingredients though
    He does a pretty good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalli View Post
    I hear natural perfumes have longevity issues..is that pretty much true? I don't think I have smelled a 'natural' perfume actually. I may have but don't remember.
    To be honest, they seem to be all over the place. In general, I'd say that all-naturals simply perform differently, but there are still variables to take into account. For example, Matriarch -- very much a proponent of the "all natural" approach -- makes scents that seem initially quite weak (they vanish pretty fast), but in fact, they tend to re-emerge and leave trails. Norne, from Slumberhouse, is made from all absolutes, and it's at high concentration, but sits quite close to the skin yet lasts for 20+ hours.

    In other words, there doesn't seem to be a clearly defined set of differences, but I'd stand by the claim that differences do exist. If that makes any sense at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rüssel View Post
    I don't think it's that offensive. It doesn't seem to be a real pornographic picture. For example, the shunga exhibition here was very popular and showed quite a bit more. People like a bit of cheeky filth. If it's appropriate to sell perfumes? Well, it is niche and they may not try to appeal to the mainstream customer.
    I'm not offended, just puzzled. When I used the word "porn", I also considered using the word " erotica" because the silhouette graphic leans that way. Either way, that particular image is striking. I suppose it fits with the overall context, but I wonder why that context was chosen.

    O.K., just read the statement from the proprieter. I get it.
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    Thanks Deadidol. That made sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    That actually happened to Slumberhouse. Strange Invisible threatened to sue Slumberhouse over the use of the word "strange," claiming that her customers were "accidentally ordering from him instead of her." The fact that the owner of SIP is doing just fine, money-wise (http://mom.me/fun/4598-top-ten-holly...-abbot-kinney/) says a lot about the nasty move she pulled using her famous daddy-waddy's lawyers.

    There are many reasons why someone would choose Slumberhouse over Strange Invisible, and confusion isn't one of them.

    And my apologies for being snarky about the SH art. What you see there is an antique, in a room that was photographed by a controversial artist, whose images were then used on a the website of a highly idiosyncratic perfumer. It's a whole string of connections that while yes, bawdy, is very tame compared to some of the Tom Ford ads we saw earlier in this thread. SH is an edgy line, from the compositions, to the materials, to the absolute rejection of the perfume industry. The image, in this respect, is entirely fitting and seems to be having the exact effect it set out to accomplish. Much of that imagery is connected to Zahd, and when you smell it, you can see why. The tie-in is striking.

    As far as writing them off as "probably disappointing" before trying them goes, I'd say try them first before forming an opinion. Nobody's doing anything even close to what he's doing, even though it's certainly not to the tastes of many.
    Roberto Cavalli sued Boucheron on the use of the snake design on their bottles. As a result, bottles of Trouble (now discontinued) were pulled and had to have the caps replaced with a non-serpent image. Rubbish. Boucheron have used the snake design on their jewellery since at least the 1850s.

    Likewise, Parfums D'Orsay sued Guerlain for the use of the name "dandy" in their scents. Guerlain's Arsene Lupin Dandy had to become simply Arsene Lupin. Guerlain had to pull all their bottles from the shelves and redo the bottle. The irony is that D'Orsay was formed up in 1908 as a business plan with German and Dutch investors, making up the "legend" of a French nobleman who made perfume. Their boxes say, "Since 1830." (See "The Perfume Handbook," by Groom, and "Perfume Presentations," on the marketing strategy of Parfums D'Orsay.)

    The true irony of this is that Guerlain is the company with the true historical pedigree, going back to 1828. This history is well documented. No one owns the word "dandy," and Guerlain still use the word on their site to describe the scent.

    As for bullying: http://www.thenonblonde.com/2008/01/...l#.UquSEU13u70

    http://www.thenonblonde.com/2008/01/...l#.UquR6013u70

    Oddly, some companies don't raise a fuss. There are two scents named Bois d'Iris (The Different Company and VC&A). Also, there was a Boucheron Initial before there was a Shalimar Initial.
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    I had no idea about Trouble! Interesting. Too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Because an email was sent to Josh by somebody in this thread who then blocked the account they used to send the message so he couldn't respond

    What?!

    That's crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    That actually happened to Slumberhouse. Strange Invisible threatened to sue Slumberhouse over the use of the word "strange," claiming that her customers were "accidentally ordering from him instead of her." The fact that the owner of SIP is doing just fine, money-wise (http://mom.me/fun/4598-top-ten-holly...-abbot-kinney/) says a lot about the nasty move she pulled using her famous daddy-waddy's lawyers.

    There are many reasons why someone would choose Slumberhouse over Strange Invisible, and confusion isn't one of them.
    I like her stuff, and find it very compelling for all-natural (which takes a lot of effort on her part). But the irony here is that Slumberhouse vs. SIP plays out the history of the fragrance industry in miniature. Slumberhouse has made a name for itself by going full-blown artsy on natural oils, using the finest synthetics that can be water-ballooned against their walls. It's just one more vivid proof of what the early chemists and perfumers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries all admitted to themselves - synthetic aromachemicals, which are really just "naturals from a slightly different biochemistry", are the only way to get truly unearthly smells. If you don't play that game, you consign yourself to a corner of the art that isn't merely "not hot" - it's not even warm, to be honest. It's like science. There are plenty of obscure areas, but if you work in one, don't get angry if nobody thinks you're doing front-page stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    And my apologies for being snarky about the SH art. What you see there is an antique, in a room that was photographed by a controversial artist, whose images were then used on a the website of a highly idiosyncratic perfumer. It's a whole string of connections that while yes, bawdy, is very tame compared to some of the Tom Ford ads we saw earlier in this thread. SH is an edgy line, from the compositions, to the materials, to the absolute rejection of the perfume industry. The image, in this respect, is entirely fitting and seems to be having the exact effect it set out to accomplish. Much of that imagery is connected to Zahd, and when you smell it, you can see why. The tie-in is striking.

    As far as writing them off as "probably disappointing" before trying them goes, I'd say try them first before forming an opinion. Nobody's doing anything even close to what he's doing, even though it's certainly not to the tastes of many.
    I have actually come full circle on the graphic, and here is why. That image is to normal industry super-soft-porn what Slumberhouse is to industry fragrance. Once I understood that, I think it's perfect for the house. In fact, without even saying a word, and without really even having had me in mind, it speaks to me in a very sly way. I don't like the image, and while I respect Slumberhouse greatly, I don't actually like their stuff. On the other hand, I love mainstream fragrance, AND mainstream fragrance imagery. "Megadontic" Julia Roberts and La Vie Est Belle? Bring 'em on! Bleu de Chanel and brooding Frenchman on dark city streets? Woo-hoo! I've watched the damn video a dozen times. I'm a sucker for that stuff. I may have a certain amount of self-awareness about it, but I choose to let these marketroids into my head, because being in the moment of the most highly commercial fragrance fashion is - to me - a thrill. I "get" mainstream's shallow but difficultly won fashion innovations, and I'm very OK to stick with that kind of non-difficult art. Likewise, the manipulative images, which I enjoy getting suckered by.

    Slumberhouse is guilty of truth in advertising. Not a bad idea. That image says "You may not like our stuff. That's OK. We're having fun." I'm like - well - ahem - OK. Have fun! Taxi!
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Because an email was sent to Josh by somebody in this thread who then blocked the account they used to send the message so he couldn't respond, he's asked me if I'd mind posting an official response here that explains his stance on the art in question:

    Dear XXXX

    I'm actually quite proud of the art/photography that exists on the site. My philosophy is one of embracing hedonism — sex, drugs, all sorts of things that society tells us is taboo and should be kept behind closed doors. Personally, I don't find visual depictions of sexual acts to be shocking or tacky, as you put it. I understand some people do, and that's simply a difference of opinion that we have — and that's ok. Life would be quite dull if nothing ever offended us and we were always on the same page. I think great art often tends to be divisive and I acknowledge that Slumberhouse isn't for everyone.

    I appreciate you writing & sharing your honest feelings on my site. Take care.

    Best to you,
    -Josh
    And kudos to Josh for a well-mannered response. Thanks to both of you guys for bringing it to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    I do buy their products (which are not generic mainstream offerings) & it didn't put me off at all - the Axe commercial, on the other hand.....well, wasn't thinking about buying any of those anyway
    LOL! I have 5 Axe products in my "special" perfume drawers, mere inches away from my Guerlains, Diors, Chanels and Creeds, and right next to my art frags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Because an email was sent to Josh by somebody in this thread who then blocked the account they used to send the message so he couldn't respond, he's asked me if I'd mind posting an official response here that explains his stance on the art in question:

    Dear XXXX

    I'm actually quite proud of the art/photography that exists on the site. My philosophy is one of embracing hedonism — sex, drugs, all sorts of things that society tells us is taboo and should be kept behind closed doors. Personally, I don't find visual depictions of sexual acts to be shocking or tacky, as you put it. I understand some people do, and that's simply a difference of opinion that we have — and that's ok. Life would be quite dull if nothing ever offended us and we were always on the same page. I think great art often tends to be divisive and I acknowledge that Slumberhouse isn't for everyone.

    I appreciate you writing & sharing your honest feelings on my site. Take care.

    Best to you,
    -Josh
    While Josh's comments don't change my personal interest in the house, I think he did a fantastic job with a classy, up-front response. Whether or not I agree with his approach, I appreciate his willingness to make intentional choices and stand by them. I'll admit to the fact that I really was disappointed when I discovered the graphic as, based on my own convictions, I can't purchase, even though I was very intrigued by all that I've read. We all have to make our choices and decide if they are actually convictions or just a passing fancy, I do respect his desire to stand by his conviction. So thanks Josh and Deadidol for respectfully sharing a different perspective.

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    I like her stuff, and find it very compelling for all-natural (which takes a lot of effort on her part). But the irony here is that Slumberhouse vs. SIP plays out the history of the fragrance industry in miniature. Slumberhouse has made a name for itself by going full-blown artsy on natural oils, using the finest synthetics that can be water-ballooned against their walls. It's just one more vivid proof of what the early chemists and perfumers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries all admitted to themselves - synthetic aromachemicals, which are really just "naturals from a slightly different biochemistry", are the only way to get truly unearthly smells. If you don't play that game, you consign yourself to a corner of the art that isn't merely "not hot" - it's not even warm, to be honest. It's like science. There are plenty of obscure areas, but if you work in one, don't get angry if nobody thinks you're doing front-page stuff.



    I have actually come full circle on the graphic, and here is why. That image is to normal industry super-soft-porn what Slumberhouse is to industry fragrance. Once I understood that, I think it's perfect for the house. In fact, without even saying a word, and without really even having had me in mind, it speaks to me in a very sly way. I don't like the image, and while I respect Slumberhouse greatly, I don't actually like their stuff. On the other hand, I love mainstream fragrance, AND mainstream fragrance imagery. "Megadontic" Julia Roberts and La Vie Est Belle? Bring 'em on! Bleu de Chanel and brooding Frenchman on dark city streets? Woo-hoo! I've watched the damn video a dozen times. I'm a sucker for that stuff. I may have a certain amount of self-awareness about it, but I choose to let these marketroids into my head, because being in the moment of the most highly commercial fragrance fashion is - to me - a thrill. I "get" mainstream's shallow but difficultly won fashion innovations, and I'm very OK to stick with that kind of non-difficult art. Likewise, the manipulative images, which I enjoy getting suckered by.

    Slumberhouse is guilty of truth in advertising. Not a bad idea. That image says "You may not like our stuff. That's OK. We're having fun." I'm like - well - ahem - OK. Have fun! Taxi!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    I like her stuff, and find it very compelling for all-natural (which takes a lot of effort on her part). But the irony here is that Slumberhouse vs. SIP plays out the history of the fragrance industry in miniature. Slumberhouse has made a name for itself by going full-blown artsy on natural oils, using the finest synthetics that can be water-ballooned against their walls. It's just one more vivid proof of what the early chemists and perfumers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries all admitted to themselves - synthetic aromachemicals, which are really just "naturals from a slightly different biochemistry", are the only way to get truly unearthly smells. If you don't play that game, you consign yourself to a corner of the art that isn't merely "not hot" - it's not even warm, to be honest. It's like science. There are plenty of obscure areas, but if you work in one, don't get angry if nobody thinks you're doing front-page stuff.



    I have actually come full circle on the graphic, and here is why. That image is to normal industry super-soft-porn what Slumberhouse is to industry fragrance. Once I understood that, I think it's perfect for the house. In fact, without even saying a word, and without really even having had me in mind, it speaks to me in a very sly way. I don't like the image, and while I respect Slumberhouse greatly, I don't actually like their stuff. On the other hand, I love mainstream fragrance, AND mainstream fragrance imagery. "Megadontic" Julia Roberts and La Vie Est Belle? Bring 'em on! Bleu de Chanel and brooding Frenchman on dark city streets? Woo-hoo! I've watched the damn video a dozen times. I'm a sucker for that stuff. I may have a certain amount of self-awareness about it, but I choose to let these marketroids into my head, because being in the moment of the most highly commercial fragrance fashion is - to me - a thrill. I "get" mainstream's shallow but difficultly won fashion innovations, and I'm very OK to stick with that kind of non-difficult art. Likewise, the manipulative images, which I enjoy getting suckered by.

    Slumberhouse is guilty of truth in advertising. Not a bad idea. That image says "You may not like our stuff. That's OK. We're having fun." I'm like - well - ahem - OK. Have fun! Taxi!
    And I love reading your explanation of how your viewpoint has evolved. Sounds like a guy who knows himself well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danieq View Post
    While Josh's comments don't change my personal interest in the house, I think he did a fantastic job with a classy, up-front response. Whether or not I agree with his approach, I appreciate his willingness to make intentional choices and stand by them. I'll admit to the fact that I really was disappointed when I discovered the graphic as, based on my own convictions, I can't purchase, even though I was very intrigued by all that I've read. We all have to make our choices and decide if they are actually convictions or just a passing fancy, I do respect his desire to stand by his conviction. So thanks Josh and Deadidol for respectfully sharing a different perspective.
    100% agreement!

    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    I have niche, drugstore, designer exclusives, celebrity scents and everything in between. I loved the catchy Spicebomb launch ad!
    Good for you!

    Those ads were great. Viktor and Rolf really deserve a lot of credit. The story of how they tried to launch their own fragrance when they were still unknown, shows that they are actually very committed to their ideas, and work very hard to make them succeed. After they took a bit of a beating on Antidote and Eau Mega, it was really nice to see them score big with Spicebomb. Honestly, Spicebomb brought a lot of good things to a lot of good people - kind of a nice story in the fragrance world.

    Quote Originally Posted by danieq View Post
    And I love reading your explanation of how your viewpoint has evolved. Sounds like a guy who knows himself well.
    Thanks! I try. It's hard and complicated sometimes. But as much introspection as I can muster, it's still just a race to keep up with my gut, which has a will of its own!

    I think there is a corollary to the idea that "a life unexamined is not worth living". I think that examination makes life beautiful and worth living, even in the harshest conditions. And it's the freedom of that examination which gives it that beauty and its worth.
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    I like Apollo from Axe. I don't know anything of their ads though, in the dark on that but I admit I like that one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalli View Post
    I like Apollo from Axe. I don't know anything of their ads though, in the dark on that but I admit I like that one!
    Brilliant:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    LOL! I have 5 Axe products in my "special" perfume drawers, mere inches away from my Guerlains, Diors, Chanels and Creeds, and right next to my art frags.

    Cool - maybe I should sample some of the ladies' ones & see what happens....

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Because an email was sent to Josh by somebody in this thread who then blocked the account they used to send the message so he couldn't respond, he's asked me if I'd mind posting an official response here that explains his stance on the art in question:

    Dear XXXX

    I'm actually quite proud of the art/photography that exists on the site. My philosophy is one of embracing hedonism — sex, drugs, all sorts of things that society tells us is taboo and should be kept behind closed doors. Personally, I don't find visual depictions of sexual acts to be shocking or tacky, as you put it. I understand some people do, and that's simply a difference of opinion that we have — and that's ok. Life would be quite dull if nothing ever offended us and we were always on the same page. I think great art often tends to be divisive and I acknowledge that Slumberhouse isn't for everyone.

    I appreciate you writing & sharing your honest feelings on my site. Take care.

    Best to you,
    -Josh
    Interesting, thanks for posting it.

    I guess some people feel that sex, drugs and rock'n'roll get pushed down our throats a tad too much to sell things these days. Both sides have valid arguments, I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Cool - maybe I should sample some of the ladies' ones & see what happens....
    They are a fascinating intersection of modern high perfumery, economical fragrance design, and Godzilla marketing. When I realized how close Dark Temptations was to the A*Men Pure series - only with what may actually be a better opening, I took real notice. Thus, when one of their recent entries seemed to imitate YSL La Nuit de L'Homme, I was not surprised.
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