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    Flanker diarrhea.
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    Faux luxury and promises of exclusiveness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch245 View Post
    I never noticed that about Slumberhouse. The store page was surprising!
    Dang. Yeah. And I just got involved in a Slumberhouse pass. Well, I'm going to give their fragrances a try, and if I like them, I am going to write them and tell them that I find that photo disturbing.

    Just so you know, I'm fine with porn if its for and about adults, but it has its place, and a perfume shops is not one of those.

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    Dang. Yeah. And I just got involved in a Slumberhouse pass. Well, I'm going to give their fragrances a try, and if I like them, I am going to write them and tell them that I find that photo disturbing.

    Just so you know, I'm fine with porn if its for and about adults, but it has its place, and a perfume shops is not one of those.
    There is a response posted from Josh about this. The honest truth is that he doesn't care if someone doesn't like it, and that's exactly why I appreciate everything he's doing. Now personally I don't really think the image needs to be there, but we need more perfumers like him, who are running things THEIR way. I LOVE the fact that no one can tell him he can't have that on his site.

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    It amazes me that people complain about censorship if the mods here delete stuff - yet people are quite happy to ask a perfumer to delete an image from another website.
    Hmm.

    I wonder what the response would be if one wrote to the powers-that-be about the Axe adverts - not that I would personally bother because I don't have to look at them (they don't actually upset me - I just can't resist having a dig about these things when opportune moments arise).

    Amazed and confused.

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    Amazed and confused.
    To say the least! But if the art on the site (there's no pornography on the site) offends you, I'd stay far far away from the fragrances themselves (and TV, film, art galleries, literature etc.)

    Tom Ford, Dolce & Gabana, Marc Jacobs, Jill Sanders, Gucci are all using explicit, often violent, images of sex to sell their products -- and some of which are depicting graphic insinuations of rape. The Slumberhouse site features an antique silhouette of some vintage, illustrated bawdiness (they're not even people). I only hope that emails akin to the one that was sent to Josh (and yes, I read that email) are being sent to all these other companies.

    This thread reads like Phyllis Schafly and Tipper Gore are behind it now. And there are comparisons to be made here in the Tipper Gore built her whole PMRC campaign going after independents artists because she knew she could harm them, letting the big companies get away with murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    It amazes me that people complain about censorship if the mods here delete stuff - yet people are quite happy to ask a perfumer to delete an image from another website.
    Hmm.

    I wonder what the response would be if one wrote to the powers-that-be about the Axe adverts - not that I would personally bother because I don't have to look at them (they don't actually upset me - I just can't resist having a dig about these things when opportune moments arise).

    Amazed and confused.
    Totally agree. I am so not into censorship. Yesterday we went to see the movie, The Book Thief. It's good to be reminded there was a time when the Slumberhouse image would have gotten that guy killed -- and not just in Germany. I hope we keep far from that slippery slope. Freedom is so precious, I'd rather allow the worst muck than risk missing one genius. Besides, it's so easy to just close the browser, flip the switch, tune to another channel.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    T...Tom Ford, Dolce & Gabana, Marc Jacobs, Jill Sanders, Gucci are all using explicit, often violent, images of sex to sell their products -- and some of which are depicting graphic insinuations of rape. ...

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    OTOH, we have voices for a reason. Objecting to depictions of violence in ads is, IMO, a proper use of freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScentFan View Post
    OTOH, we have voices for a reason. Objecting to depictions of violence in ads is, IMO, a proper use of freedom.
    Or you could always play the PMRC card and go after the little guy who's innovates within a soulless industry and ignore the far more problematic companies. Check out the Biafra trial to see the harm Gore caused that man for including a piece of artwork by HR Giger in one of his albums. An artist, included the work of another artist in his work, and out came the pitchforks. Sound familiar?

    Luckily, art won out in that scenario, but not before she managed to ruin several people's lives.

    Anyhow, this is getting way off track and I'm largely to blame, so I apologize and I hope the thread can return to its original purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Or you could always play the PMRC card and go after the little guy who's innovates within a soulless industry and ignore the far more problematic companies. Check out the Biafra trial to see the harm Gore caused that man for including a piece of artwork by HR Giger in one of his albums. An artist, included the work of another artist in his work, and out came the pitchforks. Sound familiar?

    Luckily, art won out in that scenario, but not before she managed to ruin several people's lives.

    Anyhow, this is getting way off track and I'm largely to blame, so I apologize and I hope the thread can return to its original purpose.

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    There is the exception to freedom of speech which crosses the line of appropriateness and acceptability; as in yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre. Any behavior that causes harm or instigates victimization should be shunned and expunged. The only way we can effectively protest these violations of propriety is by withholding our money from the offending companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    Who wrote the letter to Josh?

    The member has not come forward, Buysblind.

    Anyways, poor fragrances put me off a lot of houses - please form an orderly queue .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    To say the least! But if the art on the site (there's no pornography on the site) offends you, I'd stay far far away from the fragrances themselves (and TV, film, art galleries, literature etc.)

    Tom Ford, Dolce & Gabana, Marc Jacobs, Jill Sanders, Gucci are all using explicit, often violent, images of sex to sell their products -- and some of which are depicting graphic insinuations of rape. The Slumberhouse site features an antique silhouette of some vintage, illustrated bawdiness (they're not even people). I only hope that emails akin to the one that was sent to Josh (and yes, I read that email) are being sent to all these other companies.
    ...
    I totally agree with you.

    But I doubt that Jil Sander is „using explicit, often violent, images of sex to sell” any product. Do you have an example that lead you to this statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graphite View Post
    I totally agree with you.

    But I doubt that Jil Sander is „using explicit, often violent, images of sex to sell” any product. Do you have an example that lead you to this statement?
    To me it's not offensive at all, but if people are getting butthurt over Victorian cartoons, then don't click on the link.

    I should probably clarify that I work in the arts and so very little of what's being discussed is even remotely offensive to me (I'm offended by the kind stuff that Sephora sells as "fragrance" though) The Tom Ford, D&G images are striking in their compositions, but degraded in their company's motives.
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    I am not sure if this is an official ad. It is so not in line with the Jil Sander style that is mainly about purity and formal perfection.

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    It was a part of an official campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    Who wrote the letter to Josh?
    That doesn't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    It was a part of an official campaign.
    Thanks for the information. That is really astonishing. Possibly that happened in the phase when Mrs Sander wasn't in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    That doesn't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    Cop out.
    Heh!

    Seriously though, concerns raised about the image are legit and this all emerged from a fairly innocent concern that should be respected. It's been blown out of perspective is all in that there are far worse instances of such things that people choose to ignore in lieu of stuff like this.

    The reason the perfumer got involved was because of the email that raised concerns in the way it was phrased. He's fine and understands what's going on now, so it's probably a good moment to just move on. But for anyone truly offended by a cartoon/antique/artwork, I'd invite you to pay closer attention to the world you live in and question why certain things are acceptable and others aren't. Morals and convictions are vital to being a fully formed human, but it's revealing to know where those morals originate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Heh!

    Seriously though, concerns raised about the image are legit and this all emerged from a fairly innocent concern that should be respected. It's been blown out of perspective is all in that there are far worse instances of such things that people choose to ignore in lieu of stuff like this.

    The reason the perfumer got involved was because of the email that raised concerns in the way it was phrased. He's fine and understands what's going on now, so it's probably a good moment to just move on. But for anyone truly offended by a cartoon/antique/artwork, I'd invite you to pay closer attention to the world you live in and question why certain things are acceptable and others aren't. Morals and convictions are vital to being a fully formed human, but it's revealing to know where those morals originate.
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    What put me off about the Slumberhouse page is not the image per se.

    What bothers me is the "gotcha"-- if I view a fragrance website I do not wish to be surprised by images of sex acts. I don't want to be presented with such images in contexts where I would not expect to see them. That makes it feel involuntary, and IMO that violates good taste.


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    ^ totally valid, but again, I'd say be careful dealing with art in general then as, by nature, it's designed to provoke, shock, and raise emotions. Slumberhouse is about art as much as it is perfume, which is why the line is divisive in all aspects. It bears little connection to traditional perfumery and is the opposite of safe or "nice."

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    I don't know anything about Slumberhouse, but looking at the website, I would not have come to the conclusion that it had anything to do with art, beyond any perfume being art in some form.

    If that makes me Philistine, so be it.


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    ^ That's exactly it -- the fragrances themselves are highly evocative, expressionistic, passionate splashes of scents made from bizarre materials. The art is all in the scent.

    And that's actually what was more shocking to me about those images. The scents were designed to have no narrative intrusion so the wearer can imprint their own reading. This is why they're essentially unnamed through neologisms. The images do create a narrative element, but when you smell Zahd, it makes sense as to why they're there.

    Don't expect "perfume" from the line--it's much more than that.

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    Methinks you are easily swayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Or you could always play the PMRC card and go after the little guy who's innovates within a soulless industry and ignore the far more problematic companies. Check out the Biafra trial to see the harm Gore caused that man for including a piece of artwork by HR Giger in one of his albums. An artist, included the work of another artist in his work, and out came the pitchforks. Sound familiar?

    Luckily, art won out in that scenario, but not before she managed to ruin several people's lives.

    Anyhow, this is getting way off track and I'm largely to blame, so I apologize and I hope the thread can return to its original purpose.
    You've misread me. I have no problem with the Slumberhouse image. I was talking about the Dolce & Gabanna ad which is a clear suggestion of rape -- a nonconsentual and violent sex act. I have zero problem with consentual sex of any kind between adults, or with its depiction. Crimes are another thing.

    Also, no idea what the PMRC card is, so I can't play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    Methinks you are easily swayed.
    Thanks.

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    This advert was apparently banned from television over here for referencing illegal drugs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    ^ totally valid, but again, I'd say be careful dealing with art in general then as, by nature, it's designed to provoke, shock, and raise emotions. Slumberhouse is about art as much as it is perfume, which is why the line is divisive in all aspects. It bears little connection to traditional perfumery and is the opposite of safe or "nice."

    I agree with your assessment that someone with my particular set of personal convictions has to be careful in the art world. I love art, photography in particular, but all sorts of media and I find it frustrating that it seems so difficult to see great art without it being sexualized, or juxtaposed against sexualized pieces. However, I seem to be part of the minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    ^ totally valid, but again, I'd say be careful dealing with art in general then as, by nature, it's designed to provoke, shock, and raise emotions. Slumberhouse is about art as much as it is perfume, which is why the line is divisive in all aspects. It bears little connection to traditional perfumery and is the opposite of safe or "nice."
    Oh, and this isn't on topic in the least, but offering another perspective, I don't agree that art is always, or exclusively designed to provoke, shock or raise emotions. Certainly it is at times, and seemingly, that tendency increases as time passes. However, I enjoy art when it offers a new way to see, a new perspective, not necessarily provocative, but fresh and interesting and opening the eye of the viewer to beauty that was perhaps previously undiscovered. This is the way that I try to present art photography and it's the sort I listen to.

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    Edit - Oops - ought to clarify that this piccy hasn't upset me
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    This thread reads like Phyllis Schafly and Tipper Gore are behind it now. And there are comparisons to be made here in the Tipper Gore built her whole PMRC campaign going after independents artists because she knew she could harm them, letting the big companies get away with murder.

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    Really? Who has suggested that a campaign be mounted to stop the guy at Slumberhouse? In his response, he was correct in saying that everyone can have different opinions. He champions drugs and sexual promiscuity and suggests that people who don't are repressed by taboos. There are are those of us don't see those things as positive forces in our society. Everyone has their opinion and I try to spend my money with companies I believe in. Now, with limited exposure to mass media ( I prefer it that way ) I am probably kidding myself. Seeing the D & C ad above offends me with their cynical attempt to shock me. I will shy away from their products.

    In contrast to this, I went to the Frederic Malle event at Barney's and met a charming and gracious man who has done it his way with what I see as class and grace.

    But, as my momma said, to each his own said the man as he kissed the cow.


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    For what it's worth (not that my opinion matters) I am an artist, I have an MFA in photography. As I previously stated, I'm not prudish, I don't dislike sex or sexual imagery in art. I do think there's a big difference between expressing oneself as an artist and using aggressively raw, insensitive imagery in order to sell a product. I also think that this 'Slumberhouse' image of a very graphic sex act is going too far in polite society. Unfortunately it seems to have served its purpose well as most folks are evidently very enthusiastic about this stuff. Not a good sign. I predict we are in for a long spate of twerking and Khardashian-esque dry-humping in the future. Truly, something you can't 'unsee'.
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    It's kind of interesting to me that the larger commercial brands, not only D&G, are free to use any kind of imagery without a word being spoken.

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    I also object to the D&G implied rape scene. That's one I had not previously seen. Also desperate and deplorable, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kswer View Post
    ...Who has suggested that a campaign be mounted to stop the guy at Slumberhouse? In his response, he was correct in saying that everyone can have different opinions. He champions drugs and sexual promiscuity and suggests that people who don't are repressed by taboos....

    But, as my momma said, to each his own said the man as he kissed the cow.
    ...
    This is an interesting response. Quoting from deadidol's quote of Josh's letter:

    My philosophy is one of embracing hedonism — sex, drugs, all sorts of things that society tells us is taboo and should be kept behind closed doors. Personally, I don't find visual depictions of sexual acts to be shocking or tacky, as you put it.
    Sex and sexual promiscuity are not the same things for some of us. I feel you've made a bit of a leap there.

    The closing witticism about the man kissing the cow implies that only those who have questionable taste think it's OK to live and let live.

    I agree with deadidol, what's happening here is condemnation of a small player because he is perceived to be vulnerable. The putative morality is situational; if you are not protesting against the wealthy corporate global offenders, then you're just sniping at easy targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    For what it's worth (not that my opinion matters) I am an artist, I have an MFA in photography. As I previously stated, I'm not prudish, I don't dislike sex or sexual imagery in art. I do think there's a big difference between expressing oneself as an artist and using aggressively raw, insensitive imagery in order to sell a product. I also think that this 'Slumberhouse' image of a very graphic sex act is going too far in polite society. Unfortunately it seems to have served its purpose well as most folks are evidently very enthusiastic about this stuff. Not a good sign. I predict we are in for a long spate of twerking and Khardashian-esque dry-humping in the future. Truly, something you can't 'unsee'.
    Sorry, kumquat - our posts crossed so I hadn't seen yours before replying.

    Those of us who are enthusiastic about Slumberhouse products were largely so before this recent website update & imagery and it's a website - not an 'in your face' magazine or television advert so it's visited by choice, not by accidental exposure.

    The fragrance industry has traditionally used sex & nudity in marketing so there's nothing new here - and personally, a graphic of consenting adults frolicking doesn't shock me, but I choose to visit the website for the purpose of purchasing goods so may well view it in a different light.
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    What he chose to put on his website makes the leap for me.

    It makes no such implication. It is a old humorous Midwestern saying that means exactly what it says, to each his own.

    I believe I expressed my distaste for the D&C ad which probably offends me even more. At least Slumberhouse was trying to be arty, this is just shock for marketing's sake.

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    Can 'snuff' imagery be far behind?

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    ^ jaw officially on the floor.

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    I am not an ad watcher and have seen very few ads. In the case of SH, their website is the only place to purchase so viewing the representative art is unavoidable. As far as other, large houses, yes, much of their advertising is equally offensive. The only reason I specifically mentioned SH was that it happened to be what I had most recently viewed and found off putting. However, in no way do I believe that only small companies should be accountable. That said, I do feel that the particular graphic in question depicts a more graphic version of a sex act which I prefer not to view, but which will forever more be burned into my minds eye. Somehow, such images are quite unforgettable. This is what I personally prefer to avoid. It feels like my mind has been irrevocably changed. Since I don't want those images in my mind, I would like better for perfume houses to sell perfume rather than ideals as I am not in the market for that set of ideals. Since no disclaimer exists when I first visit the site, how am I to avoid it. However, I don't read or view things generally which promote things I'm not interested in.

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    ^ jaw officially on the floor.
    Don McCullin's pics made my jaw drop somewhat - but I'm old.

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    kumquat - with all due respect, let's not get into "what if" or "what's next" type arguments - these tend to be pretty weak and are a way for those overly prudish to try to stop anything besides missionary position between a man and a woman, once a year on His (Jesus') birthday*, calling it abnormal, immoral, and "you will burn in hell" type reasons. There is far "worse" imagery in regular mainstream media (search Robin Thicke "Blurred Lines" or Miley Cyrus "Wrecking Ball" videos on youtube, for starters) without having to go into actual hardcode porn. Naked, provocative, edgy - sure. In the same way Leonardo da Vinci's "David" sculpture or hundreds of Renaissance paintings portray, with a more modern twist (real people instead of paintings). Even thousands and thousands of *religious* paintings depict nudity, without labeling it "porn." And now you want to insinuate the next logical step *must be* "snuff"? Not by a long shot, and not trying to be, either. People who appreciate alternate form of artistic expression are not automatically pedophiles, deviants, serial murderers, etc, regardless of what religious crazies want you to believe. Nor are gay people automatically interested in your 12 year old son in a sexual way - that's another crazy argument pushed by the religious extremists as a reason why anyone gay should be automatically perceived as a pedophile. I hate to break this to you, but most child abusers/pedophiles are 100% straight, strict, religious, married men.

    (*) I have a friend whose sister went off the deep end and became über religious, to the point where she does indeed have sex ONCE a year with her husband, and all 7 kids share the exact same birthday (literally all within 1 calendar day of each other, just different years). All kids are under 12, all 7 of them home schooled, all 7 of them hunt bears and deer with various rifles, including fully automatic (!!!). If you want to see 7 deviants in the making who will go on shooting rampage in a high-school or hospital or a mall some day - here they are, raised by crazy religious fanatics, doing all this "in the name of God."

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    I'll give an example- way back when, on the Johnny Carson show, my mother, divorced from an abusive man heard a song. The lyrics were; "Sorry I hit you, Honey, but you shouldn't have made me mad." Now, she couldn't 'unhear' that, and the song was broadcast to the Nation. Needless to say she was disturbed by this. She wrote a scathing letter to the show. I was also dismayed by Britney Spears' big song; "Hit me, Baby". I just dislike this sort of thing. I know I'm unrealistic, but there you have it. I suspect it leads to the hard stuff- more violence, usually against the weaker among us.

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    Umm, the graphic in question was hardly on that scale - amusingly consenting soft focus artist's impression of adults & all...

    Honestly, I avoid television because the reality of what we do to each other is pretty bothersome but this is just a random graphic on a website, perspectives..

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Don McCullin's pics made my jaw drop somewhat - but I'm old.
    Which pics did he do?

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    See edit, Curly11 - never forgotten that one - and that may be an insensitive example, but it's not intended to be so, just one that I saw in a magazine as a teenager.
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    Remik, you don't have to be concerned about my religious tendencies. I still think privacy is a right we all deserve. As long as it doesn't frighten the horses, it's fine by me. And I am not jumping to conclusions as you seem to be. It's only that I fear this tendency for shock value may soon spiral out of control. I don't know how many of you have seen shows like "Tosh.0" or "Craziest Partiers", but they take videos off You Tube. I have seen people doing terrible violence to themselves and others. Most of them have to be high, for sure. I fear for the judgement of young people when I see this kind of thing.

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    What put me off about the Slumberhouse page is not the image per se.

    What bothers me is the "gotcha"-- if I view a fragrance website I do not wish to be surprised by images of sex acts. I don't want to be presented with such images in contexts where I would not expect to see them. That makes it feel involuntary, and IMO that violates good taste.
    I agree that a small warning should be placed on the site as you don't know who will be in the room when you are browsing and shopping.

    When I shop online for fragrances, I don't expect to be presented with an image of a graphic threesome, regardless of how abstracted or fanciful.

    The image/silhouette graphically depicted an act. This was not merely a nude, or a bottle of fragrance posed over a woman's bosom.

    I understand that many sellers of Etat Libre d'Orange have disclaimers for this reason.
    "No sweet perfume ever tortured me more than this." Desert Rose by Sting and Cheb Mami, Album 1999.

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    Without insinuating any type of resolution, or even that there should be any, I just want to say that this is the most substantial discussion of art that I've seen around here in a while, and I appreciate that people are keeping it admirable. I'll add my own comments soon enough. Carry on, s'il vous plaît.
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    Actually (I don't mean to belabor this point) I've noticed more violent 'slapstick' type commercials on TV. I'm always pointing out these ads to my husband. I can't think of any right off. Aren't there quite a few in which someone gets slapped or punched? Even sometimes blown to smithereens? I'm pretty sure I've seen these.

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    Thanks, Red - 'resolution' is pretty unlikely due to the diversity of views but it's a pretty interesting thread - well done Tony!

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    Just thought I should add that I do, indeed like sex............and God! And I'm quite sure that God likes it too, in a specific context, yes, but sex is good. In fact, read the bible and you'll get proof of His opinion on the subject, specifically, Song of Solomon. Not all those who do things 'In the name of God' give an accurate representation, in fact, all to often the representation is quite the opposite of how God presents himself in the Scripture. But perhaps that is too much religion for this forum, just thought a brief qualifier was appropriate given the direction that the discussion has taken.

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    Funny ... I find this discussion about "god" to be far more offensive than the picture on Josh's website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naylor View Post
    Funny ... I find this discussion about "god" to be far more offensive than the picture on Josh's website.

    I'm curious what you mean Naylor. What was offensive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by remik View Post
    kumquat - with all due respect, let's not get into "what if" or "what's next" type arguments - these tend to be pretty weak and are a way for those overly prudish to try to stop anything besides missionary position between a man and a woman, once a year on His (Jesus') birthday*, calling it abnormal, immoral, and "you will burn in hell" type reasons. There is far "worse" imagery in regular mainstream media (search Robin Thicke "Blurred Lines" or Miley Cyrus "Wrecking Ball" videos on youtube, for starters) without having to go into actual hardcode porn. Naked, provocative, edgy - sure. In the same way Leonardo da Vinci's "David" sculpture or hundreds of Renaissance paintings portray, with a more modern twist (real people instead of paintings). Even thousands and thousands of *religious* paintings depict nudity, without labeling it "porn." And now you want to insinuate the next logical step *must be* "snuff"? Not by a long shot, and not trying to be, either. People who appreciate alternate form of artistic expression are not automatically pedophiles, deviants, serial murderers, etc, regardless of what religious crazies want you to believe. Nor are gay people automatically interested in your 12 year old son in a sexual way - that's another crazy argument pushed by the religious extremists as a reason why anyone gay should be automatically perceived as a pedophile. I hate to break this to you, but most child abusers/pedophiles are 100% straight, strict, religious, married men.

    (*) I have a friend whose sister went off the deep end and became über religious, to the point where she does indeed have sex ONCE a year with her husband, and all 7 kids share the exact same birthday (literally all within 1 calendar day of each other, just different years). All kids are under 12, all 7 of them home schooled, all 7 of them hunt bears and deer with various rifles, including fully automatic (!!!). If you want to see 7 deviants in the making who will go on shooting rampage in a high-school or hospital or a mall some day - here they are, raised by crazy religious fanatics, doing all this "in the name of God."
    Okay, I thought I was done with this but this is why I started in on this thread in the first place. People who hold opinions such as mine often get demonized or marginalized by extreme examples of their beliefs.

    Remix, you start by saying not to get into "what if"s and end by doing so. You are projecting your beliefs on others. Nobody knows how those kids will turn out. As far as my memory serves me I don't recall a school or mall shooter being raised by an overly strict religious family. The media would have a field day it that were so. Nor do I think that the bullies that torment kids are coming from such families. I don't understand their beliefs and maybe such repression can lead to problems but the opposite is true also, I just want to give them the tolerance we all wish.

    Also, pedophiles are not 100% straight, strict, religious, married men. The truth is that most are adult married men. The strict, religious part doesn't figure in.

    I understand people's response to what they perceive as censorship but nobody here is suggesting that. Everyone has opinions, they differ and we can express them as best we can. That is what I am enjoying about this thread!

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    ^ the email the perfumer received suggested censorship. Not only that, it also said that "others on Basenotes agree" which is what caused the perfumer to contact me in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    See edit, Curly11 - never forgotten that one - and that may be an insensitive example, but it's not intended to be so, just one that I saw in a magazine as a teenager.
    I did see some photos in this thread earlier this evening, but now they're gone. I simply googled Don McCullin and found a lot of info, and the photos he did. Those were memorable images, as you previously stated, and say much more than a thousand words. We must be around the same age since I also first saw his photos when I was a teenager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danieq View Post
    I'm curious what you mean Naylor. What was offensive?
    I personally do not believe in any type of deity. I don't expect to come to a public forum, read a thread about perfumery, and be subjected to others' religious beliefs as if they are factual. Very much the same way that you don't expect to visit a perfume website and view images that you personally find overtly sexual. It's all about perspective, is my point...

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    Mind you, I'm not trying to start a religious argument in the midst of all the other disagreements going on here. Just trying to get people to see things from a different perspective. I wouldn't email a moderator of this forum to complain about the religious discussion, any more than I would expect somebody to email a perfumer to complain about an image on his website.

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