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    Default CORRECTING COMMERCIAL FRAGRANCES WITH HYRACEUM - temporary thread from Huddlr archive

    The experiment is back! Everyone, please begin posting here.

    This thread is being re-created while the data is located and moved from Huddlr.

    An exciting experiment is being conducted by the Profumo Friends Club. As you may know, La Via del Profumo is located in Italy and uses all-natural ingredients.

    In this experiment, we are using hyraceum to make store-bought, commercial fragrances smell more animalic or more "vintage" -- like many of them used to smell before real, animalic ingredients were excluded from reformulations. We are wearing these "corrected" fragrances in public to see how people react to them, and we are writing about how they make us feel when we wear them.

    We apologize to those of you whose wonderful posts are missing from this thread. Basenotes is busy looking for them. The original posts will be inserted when they are located and transferred from Huddler.

    If your post is missing, please consider re-writing it in the meantime. We can always replace it with the original, later.
    Eule, we miss your posts about your experiments very much. Keep hoping with us that they will be found soon.

    Profumo said:

    All the free kits of Hyraceum are on their way to you.
    Some will receive it within 4 or 5 days, for others in the US it will take about 2 weeks.

    Although the offer for free kits is gone, whoever would like to join in the experiment and write his findings here can purchase it at the reasonable price of 12 euros at this page.

    The instructions for using the kit are at the same page.

    I shall be travelling in a place poorly connected until the end of this month. Please forgive me if I do not answer your posts until my return.
    Have a nice time exploring the science of the nose with the Hyraceum kit.

    Edited by Profumo - 10/16/13 at 3:10pm


    10/14/13 at 4:14pm
    purplebird7 said:

    I'm the first one!

    Received my hyraceum (plus the gorgeous La Via del Profumo fragrances I ordered, which I will also review).

    SPOILER ALERT: Do not read if you want to avoid being influenced by my comments and want to try it yourself before reading.

    ..........................

    First impression on the hyraceum, alone:

    Warm. Furry. Not exactly fecal, certainly not in the way that civet is. Some urine notes, too.

    Haylike, outdoorsy, slightly bitter. I'm getting an image of nighttime, not grass drying in the sun. This makes me feel like I am in a dark place that is mysterious and wild, yet not dangerous. In some ways, it is more... friendly, not aggressive. (I'm trying to decide why I feel this way, but I think it is because this animal is not a meat-eater.)

    Furthermore, in thinking about sexuality, this one makes me feel private, like there is a proper place, a safe place to go for such things. I'm not getting exhibitionist feelings off of it.

    I look forward to trying this in combination with my commercial fragrances!

    At this point, I would like to wait for the other participants to post their first impressions before carrying on with the experiment.

    Fun is on it's way!

    NOTE: I let my cat smell this. She did something she never does: She closed her eyes while she sniffed it, and she took a long time sniffing, all the while with her eyes still closed, as if she were thinking very hard, trying to remember something. Then her tail stiffened, held out horizontally, and it jerked one time, all the way to the tip, and she backed away. This is the same cat that I let smell castoreum, and she ran out of the room.

    Edited by purplebird7 - 10/14/13 at 4:29pm


    10/14/13 at 10:47pm
    Profumo said:

    Dear Purplebird, I am sure that there is no problem for your reporting your experiments as soon as you made some observations. It may help the others when they receive their package. I remind you that you will find some suggestions about the way to proceed at this page.

    Edited by Profumo - 10/16/13 at 3:11pm


    10/16/13 at 12:12pm
    purplebird7 said:

    Okay, here I go!

    First choice for fragrance, Jolie Madame. This fragrance is really fun to wear, and I think women from the new generation would like it. All it needs is a push from the marketing department. It is a beauty -- dazzlingly strong even in the EDT that I bought six or seven years ago. By today's standards, it is pretty sexy. It once made a married man blush when he smelled my wrist. However, it is nowhere near as leathery as the old Chanel Cuir de Russie, which smelled of a horse stable and tackroom. Rather, Jolie Madame is a salty, suede-like Chypre with huge violet and gardenia notes.

    Okay, lets grrrrrrr this one up!

    Hyraceum added. One drop per ml. Not enough for me! Two drops. That's better. It blends excellently with the leather of Jolie Madame. Then, later, I try to overdose with 3 drops.

    Pros:
    A. Hyraceum acts as a bridge, connecting the fruity, violet accord with the Chypre base and accentuating the leather nicely.
    B. Darker, denser, more serious fragrance, but not a lot of difference in character.
    C. Hyraceum "hides" well -- better than civet. Its presence is not as obvious or jarring, and I sense that it would be tolerated better by people in public. It is more well-behaved, socially!

    Cons:
    A. What little remains of the oakmoss in this version of Jolie Madame is buried by the hyraceum. The saltiness of the oakmoss is reduced by the animalic note. Also, if you like lighter, happier fragrances with florals that "separate out" as you smell them, then don't add hyraceum.
    B. As I reach the point of overdosing, the entire fragrance "flattens out" and loses character. This surprises me. I thought it would be most compatible in a leather fragrance, but the truth is, you have to be careful how much you add. This little animal is surprisingly powerful, even though it hides from the notice of humans.

    Second up for experimentation, Coco EDT. Fabulous surprise! I doubted that this would work, but I like it better than in the Jolie Madame. It changes things more. The entire focus of this perfume goes from foody to sexual. First, let me explain, I'm working with EDT, which has no animalics whatsoever; it's all peachy, rose, clove, and vanilla. It's something you would put on your mouth, like lipstick or candy.

    Here comes the animal!

    Oh, my goodness. I can add more hyraceum to Coco than to Jolie Madame!

    Pros:
    A. Stands out well in this composition. Makes an amazing difference in the character of the fragrance. No longer foody but rather unexpected -- sweet and sexual at the same time.
    B. Amazing juxtaposition with the sweetness. A certain "saltiness" emerges in counterpoint. The sweetness becomes wilder, like honey.
    C. The entire fragrance takes on heft and presence. The hyraceum amplifies the overall scent. It is truly changed. This is another surprise. I thought Coco would tolerate the least hyraceum, not the most.

    Cons:
    A. If you like the yummy vanilla base in Coco EDT, then avoid the hyraceum. The vanilla bends under pressure and bows out early in the game, and you never get it back, not even in the drydown.
    B. Gourmand tendencies disappear. It's either Coco in a dress at teatime with cakes -- or Coco in furs, surrounded by bees and animals.


    Third in line, Aromatics Elixir. Biggest surprise of all. I thought it would take lots and lots of hyraceum before I would be able to smell it, but, no. The animalics really stand out in the mix. This is a good match. I once had a solid parfum of Aromatics Elixir, and it had a slug of civet in the base. It was wonderful. Of course, many people find Aromatics Elixir offensive, even without the animalics. For those people, it would only become less tolerable. For me, this is just tons of fun to add hyraceum. Just read on...

    Pros:
    A. This fragrance is made for animalic notes. Brilliant combination! My favorite! If anyone has AO, please try this. I highly recommended adding this ingredient!
    B. The character of the fragrance remains the same. Not much hyraceum is needed to "amp up" the sexiness of Aromatics Elixir. This surprises me. I thought that the herbal chamomile, the black rose, the dirty patchouli, the smoky vetiver would be too strong for the hyraceum. Instead, they wait, with their welcoming arms open for the arrival of the beast.
    C. The hyraceum isn't obvious. No matter whether you add a little or a lot, it makes this fragrance more interesting. It melts into the composition, making it warm and friendly. The sharp, woody notes become furry and funky. I love it! I bury my nose in this. It's fascinating.
    D. Makes me feel wild and natural, don't-give-a-damn, and crazy.

    Cons:
    None for me!

    Disclaimer: I cannot wear strong fragrances at work or at home because neither my boss nor my husband tolerates them. This makes it hard for me to discover other people's reactions, out in the field. I hope the other experimenters can further the research in that area.

    These three fragrances that I tried today are strong on their own -- and I feel apologetic when I wear them, not wanting to invade other people's airspace, even without the hyraceum.

    Next time I will try softer fragrances -- those that I can wear in public. I predict good results because, so far, the best thing about hyraceum is that I think it adds sexiness without overtly fecal notes.

    Edited by purplebird7 - 10/16/13 at 2:17pm


    10/16/13 at 12:59pm
    Profumo said:

    Fantastic experiments Purplebird, it is starting very well thanks to your cusiosity. I understand your shyness to blow the nose of people for the sake of our experiment. Therte is a solution, you can use the scarf trick described at this page. probably a very good way is to keep the perfumed scarf or handkerchief in your purse and to take it out purposely in the situations where you want to suscitate and observe the reactions of others.



    Edited by Profumo - 10/16/13 at 3:11pm
    10/16/13 at 2:22pm


    purplebird7 said:

    I'm sorry, but I don't find the information about the scarf. Can you repeat it, briefly, in this thread?
    If I am guessing right, the fragrance would be applied to cloth and merely taken out briefly for another person to smell, as if by accident. That sounds like a clever solution -- and one that will keep me from getting in trouble with people!
    10/16/13 at 2:27pm
    purplebird7 said:

    I got so excited about my success with Aromatics Elixir that I tried Montale Black Aoud, thinking that it would be good like AE. "Ah," I thought. "It has a musk base. That could be animalic. It has rose and patchouli like AE. It will probably work."


    Wrong, wrong, wrong.
    Don't even try it. What a mess. Poor little hyraceum got lost. The only way I could tell he was there was hear to him sneeze.
    Don't waste your hyraceum.


    10/16/13 at 3:13pmProfumo said:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by purplebird7

    I'm sorry, but I don't find the information about the scarf. Can you repeat it, briefly, in this thread?
    If I am guessing right, the fragrance would be applied to cloth and merely taken out briefly for another person to smell, as if by accident. That sounds like a clever solution -- and one that will keep me from getting in trouble with people!
    I am sorry. I have corrected the link. You can now read this page.


    10/17/13 at 6:29am
    purplebird7 said:

    Thank you for repairing the link. That is such a clever idea! I will try it.


    Later...

    I set a trap, putting the cloth on the shelf next to the cloth used for wiping off the whiteboard. My goal was to see if people would select the scented cloth instead of the usual one. However, nobody paid attention to either cloth today. Perhaps the air-handling system at work is too powerful and efficient.

    Edited by purplebird7 - 10/17/13 at 9:53am
    10/17/13 at 10:23am
    purplebird7 said:

    Today I tried Dior Addict. I never experienced this as a "dirty" fragrance, although I think it was marketed that way. To me, it was a deep vanilla with a weird, plastic-y floral -- overall, a sweet and narcotic fragrance. There was a skin-like facet that smelled warm and human, but in a similar way that tuberose is reminiscent of flesh. However, the newer version of Addict is more gourmand than before. Instead of smelling like vanilla and sex, it smells more citrus-y floral, followed by vanilla and coconut cream pie. Make no mistake, I still like Addict; but in its current form, it is more like an Oriental gourmand.

    So, I considered this: Addiction is more about sex than food. Addicts don't eat. All they care about is their next fix. Actually, they don't care about sex, either. Their hyperactive sex lives occur because they must prostitute themselves for drugs. It's a sad scenario. Yet, if this is what addiction is about, let's see how Addict works with an added element of sexuality.

    Adds hyraceum, dirties up Addict. Results: Puzzling. Not as good as I expected.

    Pros:
    Acts as an overall "strengthener" to the fragrance.

    Cons:
    At first, the hyraceum is repulsive with the vanilla. The same way it affects the base of Coco, it makes the vanilla recede and does away with the "yummy" aspects of vanilla. However, Coco has many different notes (including persistent florals, fruits, and spices) while Addict always ends up smelling mainly of vanilla. I dislike the way hyraceum smells with vanilla; it clashes, it's too bitter.

    Changes the character from gourmand to animalic, but this works best when the fragrance leans in that direction. Otherwise, it seems to fight with the natural tendency of the fragrance.


    Update...
    Later, it begins to blend better. Addict is so predominantly vanilla, that it eventually does "recover" from the shock of the animalic note, which loses its influence. Then the vanilla note overtakes the fragrance once again. Still, the trajectory is clumsy and ill-fitting. I prefer Addict without this note.

    I will continue to wear this fragrance and see if people react differently to it today.

    Edited by purplebird7 - 10/17/13 at 10:42am


    10/18/13 at 6:01am
    scintilly said:

    Purplebird...amAzing insights and perceptions here. Greatly enjoying your perfume journeys with hyraceum. I'm on this programme but for now am dabbing onto a finger to then dab onto my perfumed wrist. So it's not precise but still gives me some idea. To read your investigations is greatly helping me to think in a more articulate way. I was wondering vaguely about vanilla and must try Angelique Noire tonight. I have on Chergui right now with a dab of the H and it deepens it gloriously but I think takes the rose and some of the spicy edge. I've noticed this before in Feminite du Bois..
    I look forward to reading more of your experiments.
    Great Stuff.
    Thanks


    10/18/13 at 1:53pm
    purplebird7 said:

    scintilly:
    Thank your for commenting. I'm excited that you got your hyraceum and will start your own experiments soon!
    Yes, please do Angelique Noir. Your opinions about vanilla/hyraceum might be different.
    Cherugi would be an interesting combination...
    I'm looking forward to reading about your results!
    10/21/13 at 7:11am
    purplebird7 said:

    kumquat and I are going to continue this week with Dioressence, Bal a Versailles, Miss Dior, and 1000.

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    What a great experiment! Thanks to all for the imput...very enlightening.
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    I'm glad you posted this, purplebird, because I was wondering why I couldn't find Profumo's old group notes. It wasn't until Andrew_B emailed me and let me know that Grant switched back to the old format that I realized what was up.

    ANYWAY! I finally got my hyraceum last week. I hesitated to join in on this, because every time I join in on one of Profumo's projects, I get pregnant. That didn't save me this time. I held off, and I still got pregnant anyway. So, I said to heck with it. Let the hyraceum experiments begin!

    Looking forward to a return of the archived notes. I will start this week, and post my conclusions by next Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiona View Post
    I hesitated to join in on this, because every time I join in on one of Profumo's projects, I get pregnant. That didn't save me this time. I held off, and I still got pregnant anyway.
    Ha!

    Good job resurrecting this one, purplebird!

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    This is such a great experiment! I did away with my commercial fragrances for the most part but still have a handful I suppose might work. I saw this thread when it first started and resisted knowing I would want to amp up my animalic scents instead just to push the limits. MKK, Kouros, L'Air de Rien ... what would happen to those with a little hyraceum?
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    I should have jumped on this Experiment. I had been so busy with school that I was hesitant to dabble back into perfumery as I was taking care of loose ends. now though, I have enough time in my day where I have been pondering upon the use of animalic products. I'll definitely keep my eyes on this one for future references. I specifically have been wondering about the use of this ingredient due its..... nature.

    Thanks again for resurrecting this one and I wait for more results to some in so that I can get a full appreciation on whats possible.

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    I didn't get the Hyraceum from Profumo, but I have some already...

    When I smell it, It makes me think of Elephants. I smell the hay and the animal, and the poopy ness, and it make me think of the Elephant poop at the circus or the zoo. (Elephants eat hay... )

    I decided to play along with an all natural challenge for a Winter Freshness concept fragrance, and have been using the hyraceum to give it the musky part in the bottom, since the requirements were that all and only up to 15 materials are natural, and that any musks were obtained humanely. So I just backed away from everything else I have in favor of hyraceum. (It's been killing me to have to use this so severely restricted pallette!)
    The Challenge also requires two tinctures, so the Hyraceum qualifies as one of the tinctures.

    I'm on my second try at it, this whack at a scent has a bit too much clove/eugenol, so I need to formulate again, and take out so much eugenol or it will get itchy. The other cool things I'm using are Pinewood and Frankincense wood from Robertet. - Having fun with this little project. More of an exercise than a real fragrance to release, but fun nonetheless...

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    Purplebird was kind enough to share her sample with me. I have some Jicky parfum that has lost its civit. Much to my shock and dismay. This happened in only maybe, 2 years time. It seems to have evaporated. It had been extremely sexy and now is only vanilla and lavender. With the addition of a drop of this special sauce; ​Voila! It's back to its old sultry self.

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    purplebird7, what a great thread! I've lately been lamenting the loss of my favorite perfume's former glory. The reformulated Creed Jasmin Impératrice Eugénie has nowhere near the intoxication of my almost-empty original bottle. I will study this, use the info, and report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    I didn't get the Hyraceum from Profumo, but I have some already...

    When I smell it, It makes me think of Elephants. I smell the hay and the animal, and the poopy ness, and it make me think of the Elephant poop at the circus or the zoo. (Elephants eat hay... )

    I decided to play along with an all natural challenge for a Winter Freshness concept fragrance, and have been using the hyraceum to give it the musky part in the bottom, since the requirements were that all and only up to 15 materials are natural, and that any musks were obtained humanely. So I just backed away from everything else I have in favor of hyraceum. (It's been killing me to have to use this so severely restricted pallette!)
    The Challenge also requires two tinctures, so the Hyraceum qualifies as one of the tinctures.

    I'm on my second try at it, this whack at a scent has a bit too much clove/eugenol, so I need to formulate again, and take out so much eugenol or it will get itchy. The other cool things I'm using are Pinewood and Frankincense wood from Robertet. - Having fun with this little project. More of an exercise than a real fragrance to release, but fun nonetheless...

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    That's why I like wearing the Hyraceum-tincture on its own - Elephants are my favourite animals! Believe it or not this little creature Hyrax is closely related to Elephants!

    Anyway, the whole Basenotes-confusion made me lose track of this project, and I lost my notes. I will try to recreate my observations out of my memory in the next days.
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    Thank you, purplebird for linking me up to this thread. Was wondering what happened to the project. While I am rather tied up with work, I'm keen to follow my fellow perfumistas' personal experience with hyraceum. There's nothing like a little dose of animalics to add a mysterious edge or sensuality to a fragrance...
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    Congratulations, Aiona, on your good news. I wish you and your baby the best of health and a comfortable pregnancy. Stay warm. Here it is -5 F. Or -20 C.

    Thanks, everyone for getting back on board with the hyraceum experiments. We should have the missing posts returned soon: For those of you who don't recall, Eule did some great writing about his tests with masculine fragrances. I hope to get those re-posted in a few days.

    Also, a few of mine were missing: Dioressence and Bal a Versailles among them. Any of you with Bal a Versailles, try that one with hyraceum; it's fascinating. Just the right thing for it.

    I'm also glad to get this thread here for the rest of Basenote to enjoy since it was a little hard to find in the groups section. Thanks once again to Profumo for providing the hyraceum to Profumo Friends Club and for the great idea for this experiment.

    So... Let the show begin! Here we go.

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    I know this is not the intended usage, nor any way to create a tridimensional experience, but I have experimented a bit with wearing straight hyraceum.

    From the nozzle, I found the hyraceum to smell animalic, yet rich and winey. On skin for 15 minutes, its provenance is clear: a strong, sour animal/urine character with lots of wet fur.

    I asked two colleagues to inhale from my wrist after 45 minutes:

    1. Subject 1 (young Swedish woman): "It's like a combination of a hay stack and urine. I don't really want to come closer, it isn't a comfortable smell."

    2. Subject 2 (middle-aged South African man): "Very strong, kind of odd. It's not like it is pushing me away, it isn't at all repugnant."

    Ok, now that that is done, on to the blending--
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    I'm curious about what happened to the civit that was in my Jicky parfum. Why did it disappear? Is this hyraceum a better quality chemical? Is there any reason I shouldn't just dump the whole vial in my parfum? I'm reluctant to do this, but the parfum is not to my liking now. I do like it with a drop of the H added to each application.

    BTW, how can I get some more? Thanks!
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    The Hyraceum project has jumped on the main forum here, thanks to the insistence of Purplebird and thanks to the shifting of platform that caused the loss of the original thread and the necessity to restart it.

    From now on, our experiments will be more visible to all, for the profit of all those who have a curiosity and interest in animal scents in perfumery. Moreover a larger number of Basenoters will be able to participate which will make the findings of our research more valid.

    The project consists in adding animal scents to commercial fragrances and realize if it has an effect on their longevity, volume, trail, sensuality and also to observe if there is an effect on the opposite sex, when you are wearing a commercial fragrance “doctored “ with animal scents. (this seems to be the case according to the first finds”

    We are starting with Hyraceum, 15 free kits of Hyraceum have been distributed initially to members of “Profumo friends club “.
    The kits for who wishes to make his own experiments or to verify those described by the participants can be found on the site, where the instructions for making experiments are also detailed.
    Anyone wishing to contact me can PM me.
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    Dear Kumkat, I do not know where is the civet of Jicky, but when we finish the research with Hyraceum, the animal scent project will move to doctoring commercial fragrances with Civet and there will be an other bunch of free kits with Civet tincture. I hope that you will be ready when the time for that comes.
    For now the free kits of Hyraceum are finished but you can get the kit with the exceptionally strong tincture that you see on the picture on our site.
    One drop of tincture by vial of frag is the starting dose and there are 150 drops in the 4.5 ml bottles.
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    Great, I'll try adding some to a separate bottle for application. I'd love to try the civit, if possible. It's a real mystery. I got this bottle from the Paris shop. It was so outrageous to begin with I didn't think I could wear it outside the house. It filled the room with an animalic odor, unmistakably sexual in nature. It seemed like something one could only wear on a hot, private date. Then, recently I tried it, and, Wah! all the air has been let out of its tires. Harmless vanilla and lavender are all that remain.

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    It was most probably a synthetic civettone and this may be why it has disappeared,
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    kumquat: I agree with profumo. I think the civet in your Jicky disappeared because it was imitation.

    cosmopolit: Thanks for being brave enough to wear hyraceum by itself and actually ask your co-workers to smell you! Also, thanks for jumping in an starting your experiments. I'm going to make a prediction: I think the "hidden" animalic under a fragrance will please women more. Now, if you could just try that same woman with a "clean" and a "dirty" version of a fragrance she likes, we will see if I'm right or wrong!

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    I liked the Hyraceum so much that I was wearing half of the bottle by itself. It smells so great, something in the middle between Castoreum and Civet. It smells like hay, like animals and even a bit like honey - very delicious!

    I wanted to blend it with Dia Man, but this perfume is very strong and somehow I didn't notice any remarkable change. Dia Man is already on its own almost perfect, maybe that's why there was no big difference, it became a little bit softer but nothing groundbreaking happened.

    Then I decided to blend the Hyraceum with some samples of the "backpacker colognes" from the Juniper Ridge-line, an all-natural house which produces rather smells than perfumes and there I had more luck. Will soon post more about it.


    Btw: Has anybody heard anything from Mumsy? Tried to contact her, but no luck!
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    It appears that Mumsy's latest post was May of this year.

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    Oh, I hope all is well. Maybe she just has other things to do.

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    I started my experiment last month, then took a break when Basenotes went offline I am now resuming my experimentation.
    My first step was to get familiar with the smell of Hyraceum. My 10 year old nephew was by my side as I did this so he got to smell it as well. More on what he thought of it later. So what were my impressions of Hyraceum? Well here are scents that it reminded me of:
    leather, washed hair, "Guardian soap" - this is a carbolic soap we used to use for bathing when I was a kid. I haven't used it in years, but the memory of its smell just came flooding back! Some more gruesome scent memories I associated with Hyraceum the mortuary and embalmed bodies. How come? Well the Hyraceum smell reminded me of my trips to the mortuary when my parents passed away. Not a pleasant memory but a real one nonetheless. I was also reminded of the smell of an animal pen and cow dung. Took me a while to realize it reminded me of cow dung- I kept saying to myself_ it reminds me of something but I can't put my finger on it, and then suddenly it clicked! Cow dung!
    Overall I found Hyraceum to be earthy, leathery, animalic and strangely sweet. It also have a richness and softness to it that gave me the impressions of a luxurious good quality perfume. I began to get a glimpse of why its addition to a perfume would do wonders.

    So what did my nephew think of it? He said he liked it! I was surprised but he just did.

    My next step was to add one drop each of Hyraceum to 1 ml of the following perfumes:
    Epic by Amouage
    Body by Burberry
    Bathesheba by Judith Muller

    I am also experimenting with Eau du Soir by Sisley. Will post an update on these tomorrow.

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    What about Liz Zorn Tobacco and Tulle? A great scent with hyraceum.
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    Thanks for shaing this info. I'd like to try this (bal a Versailles!) but I think I'll have to wait a while. Hopefully the product will be available later.

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    Thank you Aba, very interesting about the memories. Animal scents are primordial, they go very far into our memories, they can wake up olfactory memories that we have inherited from our ancestors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akiba66 View Post
    Well the Hyraceum smell reminded me of my trips to the mortuary when my parents passed away. Not a pleasant memory but a real one nonetheless.
    How sad. Thank you for sharing that. These scent memories are important.

    Then hyraceum will cause any fragrance to which you add it to become more solemn and serious for you. In the U.S. the smell of lilies is often associated with funerals because these flowers are used in floral arrangements for funerals. If you put it in a lily fragrance, it would smell very sad.

    Carbolic soap. Yes. I agree with that association, but I cannot explain why. Carbolic soap smells fascinating.

    I smell cow dung and horse dung in it, and (like PKiler said) elephant dung. Associations with the countryside. Maybe it would smell wonderful in a fragrance with a hay base! Does anyone have one of those to try? Or a green, plant-like fragrance?

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    These comments are giving me an idea to make a Hyraceum Fragrance. A perfume centered on Hyraceum with the tincture as the main ingredient. If I do it I shall make a free bottle available to those who patrticipate in the experiments.
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    I'm so intrigued by this thread and these experiments. One of my fave quirky perfumes is Dzing and it's precisely because I smell hay and elephant butt. Any problems shipping the hyraceum from Italy to US? Is there a US source that I could get my hands on more quickly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogsc View Post
    I'm so intrigued by this thread and these experiments. One of my fave quirky perfumes is Dzing and it's precisely because I smell hay and elephant butt. Any problems shipping the hyraceum from Italy to US? Is there a US source that I could get my hands on more quickly?
    Hello Bogsk,
    Check down the thread, a post with the picture of the kit, you will find a link there to get it.There is no custom problem shipping Hyraceum to the US:
    PM me if you need more details.
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