Wow, thanks, deadidol. Now that I see your description of opoponax, I'm proud of my student nose. I started to say camphor, then wasn't sure I knew what camphor smells like, so opted for eucalyptus instead. Thanks, also, for the tip on dilution. I totally second rum's thought. I'd love examples of good frags in which these ingredients star. Thanks tdwctdwc. I'll keep plugging away. It's really a joy. Xscent, Bois d'Ascese haunted me. I kept returning to it and had to buy. I'll catch up with you on Lutens. I've collected all the samples and plan a Lutens sniff fest, of course!