Hi, folks. I'm confused. When I (or a certain fella I know), spends a couple hundred dollars for 50 ml of perfume, I expect to be able to smell it a darned good while after I put it on. Do our noses get used to the smell and less able to detect it? I mean, what's going on? I put on an Isabey this morning and can barely smell it anymore. Same thing with both Caron EdPs. What's this????
I bought these perfumes because I love them and want to smell them all day. Is that so wrong? What does a person have to do to reek?!
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Heh! Not all are designed in that way though (to reek). Many fragrances are designed with space and reserve as notes unto themselves, leaning more toward subtlety than, well, screaming for attention
Comme des Garcons, for example, lean toward a far more reserved tone, and there are a number of scents out there that are little more than a suggestion of scent. For some designers, the idea of blaring over-the-top volume belies their whole aesthetic.
Some lines capitalize on screaming volume to try and dupe unsuspecting buyers to believing that it's a sign of quality. In fact, I've had several Bond SA's tell me exactly that -- that the louder the scent (and trust me, their scents are loud), the higher the quality. This is nonsense; try a spray of Jupe! (a discount bin fragrance if there ever was one) and see how loud it is. The myth of longevity/projection sadly permeates a number of fragrance conversations in this manner.
So, all in all, the ephemerality of the scent might indeed be part and parcel of the overall design. For your Carons, just load up on the stuff
I'm 100% with you. We are in the extreme minority here though. I'm not meaning to insult anyone, but so many members here in my opinion, overthink things and start to convince themselves that it's fine they can hardly smell something they dropped $$$ on. I honestly feel bad for them. If I want something to stay that close to my skin, I'll buy a single orange and lemon and squirt some on my wrist. I'll be out a mere fraction of money that way.
More sprays and spraying on clothing helps a lot.
Decant some into a small atomiser to carry with you through the day, so you can re-spray whenever you want.
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I understand the re application and spraying on cloths hair etc will help for a milder fragrance - but to the point - why should I need to do this? Is it so hard to make a good smelling - long lasting fragrance? Especially at the price point some of these sell for - should I not expect them to last longer than an hour?
Sigh .... and some of the best smelling are so pathetically short lived...
Yes! A good perfume should have decent longevity!
I agree with you. I always purchase samples first to test them for the changes as they progress, the sillage, and the longevity. I've found many that I absolutely love but that have poor sillage and longevity. I wouldn't mind applying twice if the cost was half, but I'm not going keep reapplying an expensive fragrance every couple of hours.
I wear fragrance for myself - I could care less whether others smell it. I want, not to be overwhelmed, but to at least be in that wonderful "fog" a good fragrance creates.
For me, Naomi Goodsir's Cuir Velours does this. Today I'm wearing Amber Oil from Wellington Fragrance and it's wonderful. Just amber - one dimensional. And it lasts ALL day. I'm surrounded by the wonderful smell of amber. And I only paid a couple of bucks for it.
Thank you SO much for these perspectives. I was really confused. Now I remember that my Frederic Malle Une Rose does project and last. So, for me, I need to add that to my purchase criteria and really wear samples before buying. I find it not the least all right to drop a bundle on something that ceases to perform its function almost at once. Meanwhile, I'll increase application and refresh. Thanks for those tips.
Yep, I agree with thread starter...I understand many of us don't wanna smell like a 1million paco Rabanne : but if you're gonna shell Out "mucho dinero" plenty of cash let it be worth it....but I do also understand that the quality, selection, of natural or rare notes on a blend don't necessarily translate to projection or longevity beast , but it does translate to quality over quantity or in other words pay mucho dinero if you want the best....but it's nice when you do find that one that does well in both arenas....that why we sample before committing to FB and I mean test drive a whole or few days... ...btw, there's always exceptions and subjectives in the fume realm on specific takes on frags that are duds on some of us and on some one else a Bombastic smell barrier breakers....skin chemistry, composition, diet etc comes also to play ......peace and GodBless
Last edited by magnus611; 19th December 2013 at 07:55 PM.
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+1, don't confuse a huge cloud of projection and hours of longevity with 'quality' and price. Those are criteria but the direction of how you want them is your choice. I have just as often been impressed with a scent by the way it wafts in and out or by how it starts, tells it's story, and then is completely gone. I recently had this sort of Epiphany with guys like L'Artisan or CB I Hate Perfume where I realized their scents are more about an experience, not just a 'cologne' that sticks to you all day. They're not Kouros or Azzaro, they're an experiential art form. My point is the artists have different intentions. If you listen to a song, you can't say this band sucks because they aren't banging on the drums and using an electric guitar. Yo Yo Ma's got a different intention.
If you want to maintain your criteria, then the scents you've bought aren't for you, and that's fine, just find better scents to suit your tastes/style. Or just spray with abandon ;-)
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I understand about artistry, but, honestly, I can't see the point of a perfume I can't smell! Especially a hugely expensive perfume I can't smell. Is this an Emperor's New Clothes thing? Have Caron EdPs always vanished on the skin? Or just modern ones? This is really upsetting to me because I adore several Carons. Is this why some BNers have advised me to seek vintage? Will I experience the same thing when I explore Guerlains?
Also in the case of Caron (I don't know Isabey), I do think it's a defect, because most Carons were initially composed to last. It was only due to IFRA/ingredient substitutions that they were changed and lost most of their base notes.
The whole "I spent loads of £££ on a fragrance, so it should be crazy powerful and last for 3 days" thing makes absolutely zero sense. There are times and occasions when a subtler fragrance is called for. And you should still be able to select from quality, high end options. Not every fragrance is made to shout, and there are good reasons for that. (as explained above).
Last edited by ScentFan; 19th December 2013 at 11:12 PM.
Sadly, some of my favorites just don't deliver in the longevity dept. I fight back by making and carrying spray decants. Reapply whenever the mood strikes me. It's actually quite luxurious.
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Please try to get a decant of Norma Kamali-Incense. A perfectly blended scent that will make you "reek", in a good way of course.
@Dead Idol-Kinski is a fantastic scent. People will notice.
I couldn't repair your brakes sir, so I made the horn louder.
This is why I am becoming less fonder of By Kilian..
The oud series in particular smells great for an hour and then poof-it's gone..
Atomizer's to me is the logical answer..
Or you can have a 3 way rotation of..
Try three sprays of Tuscan Leather; it last 24 hours on me, and I can smell it on my easily for 16.
I would be disappointed, too, if a perfume lasted less than two hours, meaning I could not smell it at all (I don't mind if projection is minimal).
I don't know which Isabey you are wearing, but choosing one at random and reading the reviews on luckyscent, several people complained about the longevity. I don't know, of course, if this is true of the one you chose.
I always read reviews of anything I'm thinking of purchasing, and I tend to pass on anything reputed to have poor longevity. There are so many fragrances to choose from, it's an easy way to simplify decision-making.
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They usually last a lot longer than you think they do.
Sadly, I'm not familiar with the scent you mention, but yes, a cursory glance at some online resources would suggest that these are fairly transparent fragrances. Also, I'm not sure which one you're referring to, but many of those notes listed (white florals, citrus etc.) are going to be fairly ephemeral. If it's a top-driven scent, then pay attention to what the base does before committing.
So, sometimes its part of the aesthetic (Comme des Garcons, Kinski etc); other times it's just the nature of the notes and small molecules (De Profundis is one of my favorite, yet fleeting scents). Then, of course, you have ultra-low concentrations like what Jo Malone or Demeter produces (about half the strength of even the weakest perfumes on the market). So, if projection and longevity are key to your needs, research and experimentation are the way to go, but as pointed out, it has no bearing on expense or quality whatsoever. Try a Lush scent such as Dirty ($15) and good luck getting off your skin with 24 hours :P
Last edited by deadidol; 20th December 2013 at 01:57 AM.
Great info/suggestions. All new to me. Thanks so much.