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    Default Re: Is Amouage watering down ?

    It's possibly just due to compliance issues, in common with many other fragrances on the market.

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    And some will be more affected than others, depending on what's in them.

    Interlude is huge, Fate is not exactly shy - when the perfumers know what they can use it's less of a problem. The older stuff that may have been reliant on specific ingredients that are now restricted are the ones that suffer - not just at Amouage, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wit_siamese View Post
    unfortunately, most perfume companies reformulate their creations to match iff's restrictions.....
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    Tried my Jubilation XXV again last night, just to get more perspective in light of this thread. I had the experience I've had with it before, where I get a blast at first (sprayed twice on my arm), then seemingly nothing. But the rest of the evening, when I moved around, it was right there (smelling beautiful, too). This morning when I woke up it was still there, though faded of course, in the crook of my arm. So I don't think the basic potency of this one is an issue. Instead I think there's a component used which leads to real olfactory fatigue. Sometimes when I wear it, it seems huge and present, and other times I go for hours without smelling it even though coworkers notice it (and offer compliments). I suspect this is more what's at play rather than a weakening reformulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    ifra
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    why the hell are all my capital letters turning into small ones when i post?
    Sorry, Pluran - just tested it (IFRA) and it's not happening to me.
    Is it only on one device?

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    I have just received a bottle of Epic Man from Fragrancenet (so not certain of how recent the production is), and it seems slightly different than the tester at Scent Bar and not as strong as two year old factory samples.
    Naturally, there are no top notes left in the factory samples but they are still quite full and rich. I am concerned that the new bottle may be watered down, however, I recall going through this with a fresh bottle of Memoir purchased from Lucky Scent a few years back. It took a month or two after the first spray for it to reach full potency. It smells fantastic now. I truly hope that this is the case and that this is a web scare. Has anyone else had a similar experience?
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    Hi everyone. Lots of love to you all.
    I am coming out of hiding to say this.
    I just bought a 100 ml bottle of Amouage Gold Woman from Luckyscent.
    Compared to the Gold Woman I had bought even in 2013.. this new bottle is weaker.
    No kidding I sprayed myself 10 times this evening ( ....I should be dead by now ..by old Amouage standards ) .
    It is watered down - probably again since 2013.
    I have noticed that my new Gold Woman is made in UK ( on the bottom of the box ) and no longer do you get the handwritten note inside the box that said " Hand packed for you by ...."
    I don't know if Amouage have always made their fragrances in UK. But this reminded me of P & G making Patou's Joy in UK. ( Nothing against Uk of course but I find it odd )

    I am quite annoyed to pay $355 for the Gold I know and expect to get something quite shockingly weak .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi Gardenia View Post
    Hi everyone. Lots of love to you all.
    I am coming out of hiding to say this.
    I just bought a 100 ml bottle of Amouage Gold Woman from Luckyscent.
    Compared to the Gold Woman I had bought even in 2013.. this new bottle is weaker.
    No kidding I sprayed myself 10 times this evening ( ....I should be dead by now ..by old Amouage standards ) .
    It is watered down - probably again since 2013.
    I have noticed that my new Gold Woman is made in UK ( on the bottom of the box ) and no longer do you get the handwritten note inside the box that said " Hand packed for you by ...."
    I don't know if Amouage have always made their fragrances in UK. But this reminded me of P & G making Patou's Joy in UK. ( Nothing against Uk of course but I find it odd )

    I am quite annoyed to pay $355 for the Gold I know and expect to get something quite shockingly weak .
    Rant over.
    Thanks Mimi. I feel your pain, that is terribly sad to hear about Gold Woman as well. Are you going to return it? I returned the Epic Man and wrote an email to the Amouage rep stating my concern, have not heard back of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi Gardenia View Post
    Hi everyone. Lots of love to you all.
    I am coming out of hiding to say this.
    Oh my, look what the cat dragged in. Welcome back Ms. Mimi.

    Hope all is well with you. You going to stay around a little bit?

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    Yet another sad news from the Amouage front. I dare not even think what Gold man could be now.

    If it is possible to return it, it seems a great idea. Not that they'd care, but there's no point in adding to Amouage's profits for inferior products.

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    Ouch, Mimi

    These days it's hit and miss . . . with any stuff on the counter I tend to check (as best I can) whether the tester (or samples if they have them) and the stock are from the same 'batch'. Generally the tester has been sitting there 'ripening in the sun' for a few months (or years) and the stock is more recent. Pointing this out to SA's is an exercise in futility, of course.

    Ordering long distance is getting very risky - it's really a shame. Sorry to hear about your latest disappointment, Mimi - sad.
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    Oh my Mimi, sorry to hear about your unpleasant fragrance experience, but overjoyed to have you among us again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    Oh my Mimi, sorry to hear about your unpleasant fragrance experience, but overjoyed to have you among us again!
    Likewise!

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    Hi everyone - thank you for your thoughts and replies !

    Update :
    I could not stand it any longer and called Luckyscent and spoke to Carlos. Poor guy had to listen to me rant about how pissed I am . So I am returning the bottle to Luckyscent and getting a refund. In 6 years of buying from Luckyscent it is a real shame that this is the first time I have to return anything to them . It is not their fault.
    Bloody EU regulations ..will kill all our perfumes .
    No more Gold .... boo hoo ......

    On the other hand I can say Ormonde Woman EDP - in their new bottles( I got the 120 EDP of Woman ) - is tremendous . As Amouage have watered down , OJ seem to have increased their strength, longevity and sillage is great. On the website it says the EDP have 30 % perfume oils in them .
    Now if the 'EU -whatsit- red tape- beaurocrats' read this...... OJ are probably doomed .....

    ***Mr Christopher Chong - should you happen to browse the internet looking for thoughts on Amoauge .. please read this. Your *new* direction appears to be one of 'watering down' . I for one, am not impressed.
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    Well done!

    OJ likely is not (yet) watering down because their bases are made of modern synthetics (Geza Schoen), which likely aromachemical companies make good profits on. But of course, with IFRA, one can never say...

    Some of Amouage post IFRA stuff is rather strong (eg, Interlude, fate), likely the perfumers shifted to currently unrestricted synthetics. But the classics have mostly gone.

    caico

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi Gardenia View Post
    Hi everyone - thank you for your thoughts and replies !

    Update :
    I could not stand it any longer and called Luckyscent and spoke to Carlos. Poor guy had to listen to me rant about how pissed I am . So I am returning the bottle to Luckyscent and getting a refund. In 6 years of buying from Luckyscent it is a real shame that this is the first time I have to return anything to them . It is not their fault.
    Bloody EU regulations ..will kill all our perfumes .
    No more Gold .... boo hoo ......

    On the other hand I can say Ormonde Woman EDP - in their new bottles( I got the 120 EDP of Woman ) - is tremendous . As Amouage have watered down , OJ seem to have increased their strength, longevity and sillage is great. On the website it says the EDP have 30 % perfume oils in them .
    Now if the 'EU -whatsit- red tape- beaurocrats' read this...... OJ are probably doomed .....

    ***Mr Christopher Chong - should you happen to browse the internet looking for thoughts on Amoauge .. please read this. Your *new* direction appears to be one of 'watering down' . I for one, am not impressed.
    Hey, Mimi!

    Sorry to hear about your misfortune but I'm glad you were refunded.

    Another once great niche house goes down the pan but I was long expecting it.

    Yes, Mr Chong has certainly lost the plot, irrespective of restrictions.

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    Well, if nothing else, such threads make me glad I spent more time than I would have liked "vintage hunting" in recent years! LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    Well, if nothing else, such threads make me glad I spent more time than I would have liked "vintage hunting" in recent years! LOL.
    And I've always admired your proactive approach.

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    Default Re: Is Amouage watering down ?

    There are a few that are still great (hold your breath). One that comes to mind is Houbigant Aperu. ​Still available on the Internet, affordable and as glorious a floral chypre as any you're likely to find.

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    One of my favourite eshops (I have like half of my collection from them and they definitely are not fakes) started selling Amouages, Lutens, Montales and L Artisans (for example) for a very low price. (120 euros for 100ml of Amouage is LOW price). I am suspecting that:

    1. All of this companies reformulated their juices and lowered prices just so they are more available to public
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    2. They made cheaper versions for western market
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    3. Market has been flooded with fakes
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamer81 View Post
    One of my favourite eshops (I have like half of my collection from them and they definitely are not fakes) started selling Amouages, Lutens, Montales and L Artisans (for example) for a very low price. (120 euros for 100ml of Amouage is LOW price). I am suspecting that:

    1. All of this companies reformulated their juices and lowered prices just so they are more available to public
    or
    2. They made cheaper versions for western market
    or
    3. Market has been flooded with fakes
    Probably number one.

    I'm sure many of the respectable niche houses start out with the best intentions. But, when the money really starts rolling in...

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    Cacio, Kumquat, Trebor, Bigsly , Off Scenter ( he's back yay ! ) , Teardrop , Jon - I miss you. I miss everyone but I am obsessing over something else as well as perfume so my time is really kind of restricted.
    I returned the bottle and Andrea sent me an email saying they will either refund my money or replace the bottle * depending * on testing their stock .
    I am sort of insulted but also understanding of their position. Could be my nose is off but..... I trust my nose.

    As you said Trebor... when the money starts rolling in ........ Hmmmmmmmm

    Very impressed with the OJ though . Actually got to speak with Linda on the phone too . Double Woot !
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    Mimi, you should not feel bad about returning the bottle. If they'd announced the changes? Then maybe they'd have a point. But they are pretending they're selling the same stuff they always were, and they aren't. I wonder if people in the ME can still get the original version?

    i have never owned the original Lyric, but I have an anecdote for you. I recently bought a decant of Lyric, based on my serious like of Lyric a few years ago. My decant didn't smell much like rose, but I'd heard the rumors, so I layered it with a drop of SSS Velvet Rose.

    The Velvet Rose (one drop) kicked Lyric's hiney all over the room, and I used about 6 sprays of Lyric. OTOH, the combo smelled good.
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    Mimi, just come back to us when you're ready.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi Gardenia View Post
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    I returned the bottle and Andrea sent me an email saying they will either refund my money or replace the bottle * depending * on testing their stock .
    I am sort of insulted but also understanding of their position. Could be my nose is off but..... I trust my nose.
    And how exactly are they going to 'test their stock', without compromising the unopened condition of the bottles they're selling? Maybe a sample bottle from the same batch (if they have all the relevant details) but that means they'll then be two bottles down.

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    A lot of people here know about it but most don't, and if they do they don't know the extent of it. It affects some of them a lot more than others. Just because they might seem as "strong" doesn't mean the stuff is as good. Not even close. There are all kinds of cheap and plentiful aromachemicals used to increase diffusive capacity, longevity, etc. Things like the intricately balanced Amouage Gold can never withstand EU / IFRA regulations. The new Gold Man is still decent but it's harder and flatter. Either way, the Amouage fragrances are still a hell of a lot more interesting and satisfying than the average Creed, etc. Interlude Man and others are substantial, but the "substance" comes more from those simple power-giving aromachemicals than the real complexity they would have without EU / IFRA restrictions. There's nothing they can do to sufficiently camouflage what's missing.

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    I'd return anything that doesn't smell right. If the stuff has changed then you should be made aware of it about it before you buy it. It's out of control, but people want new things. New niche houses popping up every two weeks making whole lines of half-baked dreck at $200+ a bottle. As Palm Apodaca said in Five Easy Pieces, "....I had to leave this place because I got depressed seeing all the crap. And the thing is, they're making more crap, you know. They got so many stores and stuff and junk full of crap. I can't believe it...Who? Man, that's who. Pretty soon, there won't be any room for man. They're selling more crap that people go and buy than you can imagine. Crap. I believe everybody should have a big hole where they throw the stuff in and burn it.....
    selling you crap and more crap and more crap. And I - I don't know. I don't know. I don't even want to talk about it..." :
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    Whatever its worth I received a sample of Gold Man today from LuckyScent. I still don't like the scent but I am impressed with the performance. I washed my arm twice with *dish washing soap and I can still smell it wafting from my arm 9 hours later.

    I have no idea what version I got old cap/new cap....just thought I'd share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    A lot of people here know about it but most don't, and if they do they don't know the extent of it. It affects some of them a lot more than others. Just because they might seem as "strong" doesn't mean the stuff is as good. Not even close. There are all kinds of cheap and plentiful aromachemicals used to increase diffusive capacity, longevity, etc...
    This is what I think happened to so many of the vintage greats that are still being produced.

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    I don't know about the vintage ones and maybe that's just for the best. I still really enjoy the line now but I understand if you don't get the same product as you used to, you are left with a bad feeling. And definitely at this price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi Gardenia View Post
    Hi everyone. Lots of love to you all.
    I am coming out of hiding to say this.
    I just bought a 100 ml bottle of Amouage Gold Woman from Luckyscent.
    Compared to the Gold Woman I had bought even in 2013.. this new bottle is weaker.
    No kidding I sprayed myself 10 times this evening ( ....I should be dead by now ..by old Amouage standards ) .
    It is watered down - probably again since 2013.
    I have noticed that my new Gold Woman is made in UK ( on the bottom of the box ) and no longer do you get the handwritten note inside the box that said " Hand packed for you by ...."
    I don't know if Amouage have always made their fragrances in UK. But this reminded me of P & G making Patou's Joy in UK. ( Nothing against Uk of course but I find it odd )

    I am quite annoyed to pay $355 for the Gold I know and expect to get something quite shockingly weak .
    Rant over.
    Thanks for sharing, Mimi. I'm sorry your experience was so bad that you had to return the bottle! Last x-mas, I scored what appeared to be a late 90s (pre-Christopher Chong's "updates") sealed 120 mL refill bottle of Gold EDT on eBay for just under $200 complete with a Harrods sticker for GBP 200 on the cellophane! I felt bad and wasteful at the time for buying such a huge bottle, considering I still had the one 100 mL EDP bottle that I bought the year before. Hearing your story, I am now glad that I have a whole lifetime's supply of Gold. Nobody likes unpleasant surprises

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    Thank You for this information. It seems like one or two Tom Fords is all that interests me in the fragrance world right now.

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