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    Default Campfire/smoke aromachemical?

    Hey folks, first post but I've been reading for weeks.
    Recently took an interest in DIY and made that beginner mistake of buying a bunch of fragrance oils before seeing the advice to just learn aromachemicals from the start. So I've already started ordering those and reading up on how to blend some of the more familiar scents. But, I have this campfire fragrance oil that's pretty neat, it's smokey alright but it also has this sort of weight to it that seems unique. I found a few threads on basenotes about commercial perfumes that have a campfire scent, but I couldn't find any info on how I might go about blending it myself, any ideas?

    Sort of on the same subject, what makes it interesting to me is that it seems to have a secondary, almost tactile, effect that goes beyond its scent. Any favorite aromachemicals that are useful for what they do rather than just how they smell?

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    Default Re: Campfire/smoke aromachemical?

    Smoke can be:

    Birch Tar
    Choya Ral
    Choya Nakh
    Choya Loban
    Cade
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    ....and for an aromachemical guaiacol.

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    Does anyone know where you can buy guiaicol?

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    Aozers, a campfire FO is ideally suited for use in woody accords, leather accords and forest accords. It should blend well with things like Cedarwood oil, Fir/Pine needle oil, herb oils like Rosemary and Thyme, etc. You can sometimes use it in floral accords aswel but you'd typically only want to use it at trace levels for such purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Gardener View Post
    Does anyone know where you can buy guiaicol?

    http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/...-guaiacol.aspx


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    I've got birch tar & cade, and can't seem to make out the difference..
    They both smell like BBQ sauce to me. And insights anyone?

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    Dilute them and smell the differences.
    Study them over time. Get to know them intimately.

    Sniffing them from the bottle will not result in a full study of these materials.

    Becoming a Perfumer involves this studying activity.

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    Was afraid this will be the answer. Guess my house will smell like bbq
    in the upcoming days..

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    Paul is right, Nizan. At full strength, the smokiness masks many of the subtleties. Each batch can be different but with mine, the Birch tar smells more leathery, with a sausage meat nuance. The Cade oil is more smokey and phenolic/medicinal, with a smoked fish nuance.

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    I know he's right

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    Thanks everyone for the great discussion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    I know he's right
    Ofcourse you do, Nizan. If Paul doesn't know what he's talking about then nobody else does.

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    I think Chris has a fragrance with this campfire theme. He might have some further insights
    that everyone else missed (geosmin?).
    Btw, I was walking outside in a citrus plantation, and I think I was smelling faintly benzaldehyde
    coming off from everywhere (maybe from the rotting leaves, or from tree barks..).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pears View Post
    If Paul doesn't know what he's talking about then nobody else does.

    Today, I know what I'm talking about. Tomorrow... Hmmm,... maybe, maybe not.



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    Oh, and there are indeed a few more materials to use for smoke/campfire, but what I mentioned are the commonly available ones. The others are much harder to obtain for regular hobbyists, so I didn't mention them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    I think Chris has a fragrance with this campfire theme. He might have some further insights
    that everyone else missed (geosmin?).
    Btw, I was walking outside in a citrus plantation, and I think I was smelling faintly benzaldehyde
    coming off from everywhere (maybe from the rotting leaves, or from tree barks..).
    I can add a couple of thoughts to this:

    First Iíd recommend looking at Kephalis as an easily available material with a smoky nuance. To get my Woodsmoke fragrance right I also used coumarin and castoreum as well as a lot of naturals including both birch tar and cade - it took a lot of experimentation to get the proportions right - and I used several woody and balsamic materials to balance them.

    Second donít forget that along with the actual smoke you need some fresh notes because the nature of the campfire experience is that itís outdoors: so you need to include that vibe too.

    Benzaldehyde is a common breakdown product from fruits, so your guess about the rotting may well be accurate. As Iíve never been to a citrus plantation thatís about the limit of my insight on that though!
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    There is a good easy alternative for smoke in a couple of accords sold by PerfumersWorld: "Wood-Smoke Fleuressence" and "Tar īn Smoke Fleuressence ". Particularly the former one, IMO, smells quite crisp and campfire-like.

    PerfumersWorld is a bit of an outlier the world of perfumery. Founded by Stephen Dowthwaite, it is located in Bangkok. Aside from a regular list of aromachemicals, they sell a large range of "Fleuressence" accords. In my experience, their quality is variable. Some of them irrelevant, like their citrus or musks. Others are useful, like some of their florals. I particularly like their tuberose and Champaca accords. And there are some of them outstanding, as the smokes and some of the spicy. Pity they donīt publish their formulas, but neither do Firmenich or Givaudan with their commercial accords.

    Their service is reliable and quite fast, which can seem surprising coming from somewhere so far from Europe or the US.

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    The Birch Tar sold by Bristol Botanicals has a good deep complex smoky character. It has nuances of bitter,molassess,vanilla,black burnt wood,brown smoke,ash, smoky bacon flavour,tar, and balsamic. At six hours it has lost many of those but still has a mild odour yield. good for a background smoky note.

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