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  1. #31

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    I do, Paul. You've emptied your pockets on Christmas presents, the biggest turkey, Champagne, Port, cigars etc. and you need to make some money!

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    Paul, your post count number is looking rather ominous, better change it quick! lol
    Last edited by Pears; 1st January 2014 at 06:45 PM.

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    I don't see why any business should be expected to consult free of charge in respect of another person's business venture.

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    Neither do I, lpp. What was said was with tongue in cheek, as most of us will be feeling the pinch after Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pears View Post
    Paul, your post count number is looking rather ominous, better change it quick! lol
    Oh Yes, I took care of that... :-) I guess that my huddler post count may show up SOME day! But not today...
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  6. #36

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    All, thank you so much for your time and help. It has been greatly appreciated. I did not expect such informative responses. I hope you have a great start to the new year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Whilst compliance may not technically be required of non IFRA members, products sold in retail outlets in the EEC are regulated afaik so many non IFRA members comply anyway - the stockist will require this.
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    Would you mind providing a source to prove this statement?


    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
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    Obviously, anyone selling a non-compliant retail product is at higher risk of losing any legal actions brought by disgruntled consumers and therefore it is important that we should not advise people to produce for sale non-compliant products - particularly those intended to be used on the face.

    The cost of defending a legal action, however spurious, is a consideration.
    How would that be possible if someone is observing the law within the production process?
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    It might well be different in your country, Graphite, but as a Moderator here it is important to me that we do not mislead members (or others) reading these threads.

    I think that proof of the lack of importance in complying with EEC law is required here if this discussion is to be continued.

    The O.P. has now thanked members for their help so we may close the thread.

  9. #39

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    I find your unverifiable statements misleading, lpp.

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    Until such time as we have proof that people in the U.K. may sell products which are not compliant with EEC regulations to suppliers without fear of consequence I shall expect to see no further posts on the subject.

    A compliance certificate appears to be necessary here.

    Direct sales to the end user may be regarded differently.
    Last edited by lpp; 1st January 2014 at 09:02 PM.

  11. #41

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    Nobody said one does not have to obey EU law when selling or producing within the EU.

    The question was if IFRA compliance is obligatory. And I think this discussion is important to clarify this. As a lack of knowledge regarding this subject leads to unneccessary self-limitation while creating.

    The acronym EEC may still appear in papers originated before 1993, but it would be less confusing using the actual term EU.
    Last edited by Graphite; 1st January 2014 at 08:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by codydan85 View Post
    Hi Paul,

    Thank you so much for your detailed response and investigating this for me.

    I do not have a GC for the Organic Rose Otto I'm using - I will have to email my supplier and see if they know.

    I've looked for an Organic Rose Otto that contains little to no Methyl Eugenol but they extremely rare to source and the price is astronomical.

    I will have to what my supplier states the % of Methyl Eugenol is and hope that it's low. Most Organic Rose Otto's I've researched have 1.5%

    Once I've perfected the fragrance of the rose I will have to see how the Cosmetic Products Safety Report comes out as living in the UK under the EU Cosmetics Regulations this Safety report must be completed before I sell it to the public.

    My Facial Oil is a beautiful formulation and I will not rest until I've perfected the rose fragrance to go with the luxurious formulation.

    Thank you for your assistance.

    Happy New Year!
    Graphite - we were discussing EEC regulation compliance.

    As you are not prepared to accept moderation decisions, despite repeated requests to do so, I am locking this thread.

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    There is some useful info. in this link.
    http://www.cosmeticingredients.co.uk/regulation.asp

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