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    Quote Originally Posted by danieq View Post
    Not familiar with Flou. This is Slumberhouse? Is it discontinued then?
    Yes, Slumberhouse; maybe discontinued; but samples should be available online for sure.

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    I wish that I smelled more of certain notes in P and O but don't. I don't find the complexity in this line that has been mentioned either. Eki with its sweetness, just overpowers the florals..I am wondering why some magnolia scents are so minty? I haven't smelled an actual flower, does it have a mint note to it? I really don't care for the mint.
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    I've haven't sampled this house. For some reason, the urge has bit me yet.
    Is the juice worth the squeeze?

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    I sampled some of them last year - the standards like Norne, Vikt, Jeke, Sova, Grev, and also Rume & P&O. At the time I thought they were interesting, but too strong for me. What was really interesting to me was that I got an "oily" impression from the Pear & Olive. Oily is not something I associate with scent, it is more of a feel, or flavor IMO. The pear & Olive was also too strong (in fact, I was reprimanded at work when I wore it there), but I did admire that the scent conveyed oily olives. I was disappointed that the pear didn't shine through as much as I would've liked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curly11 View Post
    I sampled some of them last year - the standards like Norne, Vikt, Jeke, Sova, Grev, and also Rume & P&O. At the time I thought they were interesting, but too strong for me. What was really interesting to me was that I got an "oily" impression from the Pear & Olive. Oily is not something I associate with scent, it is more of a feel, or flavor IMO. The pear & Olive was also too strong (in fact, I was reprimanded at work when I wore it there), but I did admire that the scent conveyed oily olives. I was disappointed that the pear didn't shine through as much as I would've liked.
    Many of them have been toned down dramatically and work more as skin scents now. They're still very strong, but the projection has been dialed back and they're far more intimate now. P+O is still very strong, though. And yes, the Olive Absolute is a very striking material that as far as I know hasn't been used in anything else. It compliments the cognac and geranium really well.

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    If you've ever had this; Belle de Brillet, you know the pleasure of warm cognac and pear essence. When they make a perfume that gives me this- I'm all over it like a duck on a June bug!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Just to clarify, there's no coconut in P+O at all -- and there nothing artificial in it either For things like banana and coconut, there is no natural version in perfumery. Many fruits don't actually give off a scent and require what are called "fantasy accords." But no, definitely no coconuts were harmed in the making of P+O.

    What you're smelling in P+O is massoia bark mixed with chamomile. The ingredients of P+O are: pear, cognac, chamomile, algae, olive, massoia and calamus. The materials involved are absolutes, CO2 extractions, and concretes.
    Massoia bark? OMG - if I'm not mistaken, that one is now banned in its entirety by IFRA, due to the (as always, minor) possibility of irritation. (Some discussion here.) Fortunately for the mainstream, there are several alternatives, most of which are chemically similar to massoia lactone, with less risk of irritation, but of course not with exactly the same aroma.

    Nice to see somebody *explicitly* giving IFRA the boot. Although I appreciate IFRA, too - my new love, Polo Red, is clearly hypoallergenic, thanks to IFRA standards. I can spray with abandon and never notice any irritation properties in the back of my nasal passages (which I have found are very sensitive detectors of chemical irritants and allergens, and which can distinguish older frags from newer ones very reproducibly).

    PS - found this reference to massoia bark CO2:

    http://www.victorie-inc.us/massoia_bark.html

    The statement they make about safety is a total dodge. CO2 extraction is famous for the wonderful characteristic of not damaging the aroma profile of the source material by heat and/or chemistry, and massoia lactone (the actual primary aroma substance, or one of them) is, I'm very certain, the actual form of the substance in vivo (i.e., it's not hydrolyzed to the acid, which would probably be worse anyway). Bottom line - any problem of the steam distillate from massoia lactone is probably the same or worse in the CO2 extract. Whic makes that statement the aromatic equivalent of the designer drug dodge. Tsk, tsk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Nice to see somebody *explicitly* giving IFRA the boot.


    Many of the "West Coast Indies" are using top-shelf materials that would make the IFRA clutch at their pearls. It's really only an issue with Euro distribution and folks determined to be outraged by something. These are the same materials that have been used in perfume successfully for years. Lines like this offer viable alternatives to the damage the IFRA has done by relying on such evocative, textured natural materials rather than watered down chemicals.

    This also related to what Kalli noted above with the mention of smelling mint in certain florals. What you usually find in modern perfumery has little / no connection to its natural counterpart; there is no coconut extraction available, for example, so when coconut is referenced in a perfume, what you're getting are synthetic "impressions." Massoia is used here to achieve a more natural effect as that material has a lactonic, nutty quality to it that mirrors what a coconut tastes like.

    Another example might be that when you smell rose "perfume," chances are you're smelling damascones—"rose" chemicals used in a ton of perfumes that have little relation to what roses really smell like. So when you run into a rose otto (an actual extraction of a rose), the smell can be jarring because the actual scent of a rose is far more complex and dirty than you might expect. What Slumberhouse (and a number of other lines) do is use materials that actually reflect the way things smell in nature -- which is often not "pretty" or "easy." That's what makes the line stand out and challenge folks who prefer fragrance counter / mass-produced type stuff.
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    I've tried 5 of them and I find them hard to wear. The one which I quite like and I think is more wearable ,is Grev.

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    Interesting, ​Red,​ as the P&O did give me a headache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciprian View Post
    I've tried 5 of them and I find them hard to wear. The one which I quite like and I think is more wearable ,is Grev.
    Grev is the closest thing he has to traditional perfume -- it was designed with a sort of "gentlemen's cologne" in mind. That genre's not to my taste, but Grev works well for me. Ironically, it's one of the least liked amongst fans of the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post


    If you've ever had this; Belle de Brillet, you know the pleasure of warm cognac and pear essence. When they make a perfume that gives me this- I'm all over it like a duck on a June bug!
    No, I've never had that, but I'd like to taste it. I love the smell and flavor of pears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    Many of them have been toned down dramatically and work more as skin scents now. They're still very strong, but the projection has been dialed back and they're far more intimate now. P+O is still very strong, though. And yes, the Olive Absolute is a very striking material that as far as I know hasn't been used in anything else. It compliments the cognac and geranium really well.
    Thanks for the tip, deadidol. Maybe Josh doesn't want to branch out this way, but the fragrances I mentioned seem as though they'd work well as body oils or lotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    Interesting, ​Red,​ as the P&O did give me a headache.
    Perfume headache is an interesting topic that's not really well-understood, IMO. There are a lot of IFRA-approved fragrances that will give specific people headaches, but have no effects on most people. I have a friend whose headaches we linked most likely to benzyl salicylate - a very common natural aromachemical - which is, as you can tell, chemically related to both wintergreen (methyl salicylate) and aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid). Wintergreen has headache as a symptom of overdosage - perhaps some people are just very sensitive, in a phenomenon which may be like a minor version of migraine, which is now a better-understood physiological phenomenon.

    Back on topic, I don't like Slumberhouse myself, but I respect them. They are a lot like certain types of world music that I respect but don't love. I love stuff like bagpipes, native American flute, Japanese string instruments, and Indian stuff of all kinds, but there are other things (primarily horns, Eurasian ethnic dance music, *most* African vocals) that I just find odd and perhaps charming or fascinating, but simply not "enjoyable". So when Turin used the analogy he did for Slumberhouse Norne (hunting horn ensemble), I was totally with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Perfume headache is an interesting topic that's not really well-understood, IMO. There are a lot of IFRA-approved fragrances that will give specific people headaches, but have no effects on most people.
    80% of what's sold at Sephora / fragrance counters will either give me a screaming headache or turn my stomach

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Back on topic, I don't like Slumberhouse myself, but I respect them. They are a lot like certain types of world music that I respect but don't love. I love stuff like bagpipes, native American flute, Japanese string instruments, and Indian stuff of all kinds, but there are other things (primarily horns, Eurasian ethnic dance music, *most* African vocals) that I just find odd and perhaps charming or fascinating, but simply not "enjoyable". So when Turin used the analogy he did for Slumberhouse Norne (hunting horn ensemble), I was totally with him.
    I think this is key -- these scents are more like objects of fascination than anything resembling a perfume whose sole purpose is to achieve a goal of smelling "nice" or what have you. There are no crowd-pleasers here, and some of them are quite difficult to deal with (Norne was that way the first time I tried it, and Mare . . gah!). But I'm predisposed to such things, partly because of the line of work I'm in. Art / literature that's easy to swallow just doesn't move me in anyway, but something that stops me in my tracks and shakes up what I think I know about the subject is what gets my attention. That's why lines like SH, O'Driú, Bogue etc. appeal to me—it's not just weird for the sake of being weird; they're offering something that the industry has no interest in offering. Whether you parse that as "challenging" or not is entirely subjective. To me, Acqua di Gio or one of those Mugler A*Men things is 100% challenging, whereas something like Ore is incredibly easy to get along with
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    I purchased a Slumberhouse sample pack last week and found Pear+Olive not to my liking--I enjoyed the olive very much but the pear was just too sweet on me. Ore, Jeke, and Sova were okay but not FBW. However, I fell in love with Norne and will be ordering it when it's back in stock. Just a sidenote about the material in Norne--it is so full of resins/sap/whoknowswhatelse that my wrists stuck to the laptop while i was wearing it. A friend suggested putting it on the tops of my wrists instead!

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    The general style of the house doesn't appeal to me.
    Though, I can understand how they appeal to others.
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    I thought I was the only one NOT impressed with slumberhouse. I bought a sample pack from luckyscent, they're not terrible, but I wouldn't wear any of them
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    All the ones I've sampled are incredibly strong. I like Baque during the dry down....however, it has probably one of the most off-putting openings I've ever experienced. It was almost unbearable. Seriously...I can't describe how much I hated it. The dry down, however, was very nice.
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    Also ordered the sample pack. I recognize the quality and appeal but not for me. Had problems finding appropriate occasion to wear them. Love their longevity and projection, just not the actual notes. Wish they would come out with a floral or leather chypre. Will keep an eye open for new releases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston H View Post
    I thought I was the only one NOT impressed with slumberhouse.
    Tried a few also. Not crazy about them either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    Tried a few also. Not crazy about them either.

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    I could not let myself go for them - if that makes any sense. It's like impulse control. Slumberhouse are all "wrong" - but in a beautiful way. I think that's why I respect them so much. They're the olfactory equivalent of risky sex with beautiful strangers. Stealing a hot car with your teenage buddies and going for a joyride. Making a designer drug that's technically legal but of unknown effects, though probably psychedelic, and being the first to try it. Or - to put a simpler and closer spin on it - sniffing gasoline. Fahrenheit does that in a way that earned it classic status. Josh just seems to have a knack for pushing the limit even farther, but still keeping the results realistic as a fragrance.

    So when I smell his works, it's like, "This is too radical for me, but WOW." And for those who can keep their eyes on the screen, it's like goin' to the movies and seeing all the things I mentioned above. Only with your nose.

    Slumberhouse is "pulp olfaction" at its best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    I could not let myself go for them - if that makes any sense. It's like impulse control. Slumberhouse are all "wrong" - but in a beautiful way. I think that's why I respect them so much. They're the olfactory equivalent of risky sex with beautiful strangers. Stealing a hot car with your teenage buddies and going for a joyride. Making a designer drug that's technically legal but of unknown effects, though probably psychedelic, and being the first to try it. Or - to put a simpler and closer spin on it - sniffing gasoline. Fahrenheit does that in a way that earned it classic status. Josh just seems to have a knack for pushing the limit even farther, but still keeping the results realistic as a fragrance.

    So when I smell his works, it's like, "This is too radical for me, but WOW." And for those who can keep their eyes on the screen, it's like goin' to the movies and seeing all the things I mentioned above. Only with your nose.

    Slumberhouse is "pulp olfaction" at its best!
    This describes the aesthetic to a tee -- nicely done!

    Now, hand me that gasoline . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Slumberhouse is "pulp olfaction" at its best!
    I think of SH fragrances as the Da Vinci art during the dark ages. There'll be a time in the future, when this house & it's creations will be looked with awe - as I don't see any other brand making parfums with as much depth as SH (not saying no other brand is / can make with such depth, I'm yet to come across any that have impressed me as much as a SH fragrance does)...Now imagine a 100 yr old vintage Ore extrait - hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    80% of what's sold at Sephora / fragrance counters will either give me a screaming headache or turn my stomach
    Quite a high tolerance level then?

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    For a chocolate note in a rich base, I'm looking forward to trying Profumum- Sorriso. ​Has anyone tried it?

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    I ordered a sample set about a year ago and ended up buying none of them.

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    Sorriso ​is quite new. It's supposed to be chocolate orange. I just haven't had a chance to try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    Sorriso ​is quite new. It's supposed to be chocolate orange. I just haven't had a chance to try it.
    I sampled their line about a year ago and I don't want to sample anything from them again.

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