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    Default What a load of BS

    Top note: Windsor is a tour of the British Empire Edward once ruled. Its top note is British gin, Jamaican lime
    and a touch of Scottish highland pine.

    Middle note: "Duke of Windsor" roses, those he preferred in his own garden, the Nuits de Young variety.

    Base note: Bahamian orange, Canadian cedar and a dab of Australian eucalyptus.




    Don't you find it amusing when a house goes to such an extent to market its products & Mr Creed goes on to talk
    about why batches vary citing the reason as harvests are different every year hence the fragrance is different,

    Seriously ?

    I mean I don't believe why people don't find it insulting to their intelligence when such people lie to them.
    No matter how expensive a fragrance is, I'm pretty sure its 96-98% synthetic and maybe 2% natural,
    I may be wrong about that, but i'm pretty sure the British gin and the Australian eucalyptus are not sourced from where
    they are claimed, and are just synthetic molecules created in a laboratory somewhere.



    Do share your thoughts.

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    Oh look, this thread again! It's called marketing, every company does it.
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    I don't mind it. Great scents, the best IMHO. Is it all fact in the marketing? I could care less. How they smell is all I care about.
    Currently wearing: Royal Mayfair by Creed

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    Agree with you. Marketing is marketing, but there are ridiculous levels. In any case, kudos for managing to convince people to part with their money this way, and managing to enter US mainstream distribution of high end department stores. Clive Christian is following in the footsteps, but I think somewhat less successfully.

    Bond no 9, if I am not mistaken, was created by a former Creed marketer who correctly thought the business model could be replicated also stateside. (With better bottles, at least).

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    Default Re: What a load of BS

    They have to spice it up to get us excited..
    Look at all the LuckyScent dramatic interpretations..

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    I don't disagree with any opinions here but in relation to Eucalyptus Oil, it is not exactly expensive here in Aust. I would think, and I could be wrong, that it would be much cheaper to source real oil here than to engage in synthetic uses.
    Currently wearing: Original Vetiver by Creed

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    I am going to say about 99% of Creed customers don't care about what the heck is in their juice. If it sounds good, it should smell good. I myself do find it somewhat insulting, yes, but it is what they actually produce that counts. Some of their fragrances are pretty darn good, not like their descriptions make them out to be, but that's marketing.

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    The premise of harvest would depend on percent yield, which in my mind has nothing to do with the quality of the juice. Why? Because chemistry has taught us to extract and remove the pure from the impure, meaning that there isn't any reason why the harvest would have anything to do with the quality of the smell when oils can be extracted and purified. Perhaps harvest would directly affect supply and demand.
    Is the juice worth the squeeze?

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    They can create any ridiculous stories they want on their website - and long as they make stuff that I love, I don't care.

    All food brands and restaurants claim to use the finest ingredients in the world. I doubt they all do. I don't think a multi-million dollar cultural icon drives a Fiat like I see in the commercial. I really doubt many celebs wear the fragrances that bear their name.

    Also, I am assuming your 2 percent figure was just a guess? When a wine has better years no one questions that, but you do with this. Perhaps they are tweaking the formula based on market research? Have you personally experienced significant differences between batches?

    Anyway, it's pretty rare to see advertising that doesn't sell the feeling and illusion and the dream along with the product.

    And where did you read that? In a magazine - or did you have to seek it out on their website? I think Windsor is an amazing fragrance. Makes no difference to me what they write up about it on their website. I would rather have that than a boring sub-par fragrance whose creator has nothing really flattering to say about it. What made you go to the Creed website to read about Windsor?

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    Default Re: What a load of BS

    Yes, Creed's marketing is often full of themselves. Having said that, after wearing several of their fragrances for a while now, I would buy them all over again, no regrets.

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    Papa John's uses only the finest ingredients in their pizzas. Better ingredients, better pizza. Papa Johns.

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    Default Re: What a load of BS

    Quote Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post
    Oh look, this thread again! It's called marketing, every company does it.
    EXACTLY.

    Ignore all of that silliness and just smell the scent on your skin. Let your nose decide.
    "Follow your nose. It always knows." -- Toucan Sam

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    Notes are a very subjective experience. While predetermined notes descriptions may be a help up to a certain point, the ultimate factor is what is perceived and works on one's skin.
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    Logic should prevail here, IMO. That is, if your batches vary a great deal then you should label the bottles in an obvious way, not with a tiny number. And you should include an insert that explains the situation. So, my major complaint is that they seem to want to "have it both ways." The fans go crazy obsessing over batch codes while most buyers don't even know there has been any "controversy" over such matters. If they like the "Millesime" idea, then why don't they put a month and year on the label, and in large font on the front of the bottle? Otherwise, I do not accept any claim (made by them or another company) that batches can vary significantly. If that is the case then you must make sure that your customers know this !
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    Yes, Creed's fragrances are largely synthetic. Though they use high quality synthetic ingredients amongst natural ones.

    Fun fact: Did you know John F. Kennedy wore Creed Vetiver? Well, actually JFK didn't wear it. Just an unnamed political family of profound style and influence.

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    Default Re: What a load of BS

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckW View Post
    I don't mind it. Great scents, the best IMHO. Is it all fact in the marketing? I could care less. How they smell is all I care about.
    Basically my feelings also.

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    I see the Creed vitriol is in full effect on here again... Quelle suprise!!

    There play on words and marketing sphill is comedy at best, irritating at worst, but as has already been underlined, the only thing that matters is how it smells...

    I found myself in Libertys London mooching around the fragrance dept the other week rocking GIT, when i realised i became very self conscious due to all this bad attitude i read on here.

    Its absolute nonscence, nobody commented negativley on how i smelt, in fact i gained a quite a few smiles and one compliment from an independant SA for another well known high end brand, even when its in there interest to make you swap from one brand to theres.

    You keep thinking the way you do, you are entitled to your opnion, and im sure others are mature and independant enough to open there wallet and spend there money on whatever they feel like, not what others try to tell them to...

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    Maybe it appeals to the American market. It's all a bit


    Not much different to putting a celebrity or NY on the packaging. One man's king Edward is another man's Beckham.
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    'In 2009, Comme des Garçons felt it was necessary to do something in response to the general negativity engendered by the recession and to counter the feeling of things being blocked or stopped because of the crisis. BLACK Comme des Garçons was born.

    2013 marks the regeneration of that concept through the launch of BLACK Comme des Garçons Eau de Toilette, an emergency, guerrillalike, spiced-up new scent.'

    At least Creed aren't pretending to rescue us from financial misery.

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    Thanks. I won't buy anything that tries to romanticize the Duke of Windsor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fraghead93 View Post
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    I mean I don't believe why people don't find it insulting to their intelligence when such people lie to them.
    No matter how expensive a fragrance is, I'm pretty sure its 96-98% synthetic and maybe 2% natural,
    I may be wrong about that, but i'm pretty sure the British gin and the Australian eucalyptus are not sourced from where
    they are claimed, and are just synthetic molecules created in a laboratory somewhere.
    .
    A lie has to be proven false before its considered a lie. I wouldn't go as far to say its definitively true either. My problem is, you took the time to find the listed notes, why not find facts to support your theory?

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    While I dislike Windsor specifically and am not a fan of Creed's marketing tactics generally, it is hard to argue against their sales results. As others have said, what the fragrance smells like is most important to me regardless of the actual ingredients or marketing gimmicks used. I just wish I were more impressed by the end results...
    Current Top Favorites:
    1) Portrait of a Lady original formula (EdP Frédéric Malle)
    2) Giorgio for Men vintage/V.I.P. for Men (Giorgio Beverly Hills)
    3) Dia Man vintage edt (Amouage)
    4)
    Anat Fritz Original Formula and Classical (Anat Fritz) - tie
    4) Lalfeorosa (O'driù) - tie

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    Les Nombres d'Or Vetyver (Mona di Orio)
    7) Captain vintage (Molyneux)
    8) Tzora (Anat Fritz)
    9) Javanese Patchouli (Zegna) - tie
    9) Monsieur de Givenchy vintage (Givenchy) - tie
    9) Coeur de Vetiver Sacré (L'Artisan) - tie
    9) X for Men (Clive Christian) - tie
    9) Patou pour Homme Privé (Jean Patou) - tie
    9) Oud Shamash (The Different Company) - tie

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    Today we thought we would start with the question, “What is a Millesime”? It’s a great question we hear frequently.
    The word “millesime”, of course, appears on many CREED fragrance bottles, such as Royal Water, Tabarome or Imperial Millesime.
    The “millesime” designation means that the best crops from a particular year’s harvest — be it bergamot from Sicily or lemon from Calabria — were used in the creation of that particular bottle of CREED fragrance. It is a mark of quality.

    This raises a related question: Does CREED use 100% natural ingredients in its fragrances? This is a great query as the CREED family, based in France, takes enormous pride in each year selecting the best natural ingredients for their creations. Sixth-generation master perfumer Olivier CREED and his son, Erwin, travel to Bulgaria to meet rose growers, Parma to meet cultivators of violets, India to meet sandalwood foresters — indeed, they travel the globe — to personally inspect annual crops and choose the most fragrant for shipment to the CREED workshop in the French countryside.

    In some locales, CREED’s relationships with growers date back generations. These strong ties help CREED obtain ingredients to which other perfume houses simply would not have access, such as responsibly harvested sandalwood from Mysore, India, the world’s best and most expensive, obtained only by following complex local rules and located in a place inaccessible by air.
    Proudly, CREED is the strongest advocate for natural ingredients in fragrance.

    Natural elements such as oils derived from floral blooms, leaves and stems, juices from fruit and their rinds, natural spices and woods are the main components of CREED. Still, even CREED must use a synthetic ingredient or two.

    Why?

    Creating a 100% natural CREED perfume is preferable, of course. But a natural composition would not survive the months-long journey that begins with hand bottling at the CREED workshop in France, sea shipping to the United States, clearance at the U.S. port and transportation by ground to CREED’s authorized retailers coast to coast — Neiman Marcus, Bergdorf Goodman, select Saks Fifth Avenue stores, select Nordstrom’s, select Bloomingdale’s and the new CREED boutique at 794 Madison Avenue in New York — if there were not a synthetic to prevent natural ingredients from spoiling along the way in the wide temperature variations that occur from, say, Boston to San Diego.

    Nevertheless, CREED has been a friend of the environment for 250 years. And of course, all CREED products, including room sprays, are in recyclable glass bottles (with natural spray pumps).






    The fact that it is nowhere mentioned what proportion is natural and what proportion is synthetic,
    simply means it can be interpreted either way's. Neither is your opinion false nor is mine true.

    I'm not naive enough to try and change anyone's opinion, all I'm trying to say is I don't like it when
    a house that sell's such expensive cologne and makes claims regarding "Millesime" ,"Hand
    assembling" ,"Natural ingrediet's" and "Pineapple from Timbuktu" keep's its users in the dark.

    If a house is confident that it's claim's and facts are true, why not back it with reasonable & specific
    proof, such as expected from a brand of such level, instead of being vague and saying " A synthetic
    ingredient or two"

    I have nothing against Creed, it's just that I won't be ignorant enough and let a Brand take me for granted
    as a consumer, I don't like being fed unrealistic claims or being lied at, It may be the era of marketing, but
    when you step over the line and start being unrealistic and make claims without sufficient & substantive
    evidence, even though you might manage to capture a large number from your target market, you lose
    a few consumers in that process.

    I know many of you are not affected and enjoy the fragrance and judge it on the merit of how you perceive
    it and not how it is sold, I respect your opinion , It's a much simpler life that way.


    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraghead93 View Post
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    Must you really write a half page post in underlined text? It makes it quite hard to read for everyone else.
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    Default Re: What a load of BS

    Just a note on batch variations. Every single house out there has batch variations. They just don't talk about it.

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    OP you say you have nothing against Creed, but then make two lengthy posts about how much they are deceiving people via their marketing?

    Hmmmmmmmm


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    I'm waiting for the men's fragrance with a picture of a woman giving a handjob on the front

    The bullshit machine is full - let's cut to the chase

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraghead93 View Post
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    Don't you find it amusing when a house goes to such an extent to market its products & Mr Creed goes on to talk
    about why batches vary citing the reason as harvests are different every year hence the fragrance is different,

    Seriously ?


    Do share your thoughts.

    Sorry, too busy yawning to think right now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraghead93 View Post
    I have nothing against Creed, it's just that I won't be ignorant enough and let a Brand take me for granted
    as a consumer, I don't like being fed unrealistic claims or being lied at, It may be the era of marketing, but
    when you step over the line and start being unrealistic and make claims without sufficient & substantive
    evidence, even though you might manage to capture a large number from your target market, you lose
    a few consumers in that process.

    I know many of you are not affected and enjoy the fragrance and judge it on the merit of how you perceive
    it and not how it is sold, I respect your opinion , It's a much simpler life that way.
    If they "took you for granted" they wouldn't feel he need to say anything to you. You aren't "being fed" anything. I have never seen a Creed advertisement - on television or in a magazine. Have you? You had to go to their website to read that, didn't you? You actually had to go to them - they didn't bombard you with anything. If you didn't seek it out, you probably would have never known.

    Sounds to me like you have an agenda. And it's not marketing/advertising related - it's Creed related.


    "It may be the era of marketing, but when you step over the line and start being unrealistic and make claims without sufficient & substantive
    evidence
    " -- I would be interested what products you actually allow yourself to buy then.


    Quote Originally Posted by thebeck View Post
    Just a note on batch variations. Every single house out there has batch variations. They just don't talk about it.
    Also, most people wouldn't notice unless they like it enough to be a repeat customer. I would have no idea if Xerjoff Zafar smells the same this year as it did last year. Have one sample - that is all I needed to know about that product. Pass.

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    Default Re: What a load of BS

    No offense to the OP, but pretty much every perfume you purchase is BS. Just look at the note pyramid of any fragrance. I would venture to guess the majority of the notes listed are synthetics. Sandalwood, Oakmoss, Oud and on and on and on.

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